Talk:Fanta

other flavors

This article should also talk about the other fanata flavors, as well as if they are available throughout the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sp0 (talk • contribs) 13:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, the top of the article mentions over 90 flavors, yet further down the body of text it only makes reference to over 70. Yes, over 70 is inclusive of over 90, but for the sake of consistency a number should be chosen and stuck with. Otherwise, it could be said that over 25 flavors exist, which albeit true, is somewhat misleading as to the real variety.

Orange colour

From orange juice:

Orange juice is sometimes naturally colored to match the color of orange rinds.

I'd say that orange juice is yellow, while the orange shell and Orange Fanta are orange color. Maybe I am comparing apples and oranges. -- Error 02:19, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Countries in alphabetical order

I think someone should put the countries in alphabetical order...maybe ill do it later Zephyrprince 17:46, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Fanta Sours

Someone forgot to add Fanta Sours. I added it to Australia since I live here and I've had it before. Don't know about USA or other places. -Food'N'Games — Preceding undated comment added 18:50, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Picture

That picture at the top of the page is rubbish ... anyone have a better one? Proto 09:34, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Regional Flavors

I think since people have listed flavors as regional, they should list the region the flavor is available in, like they did with Fanta Peach. Mred64 July 8, 2005 18:15 (UTC)

I second that Zephyrprince 16:08, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Discovery (Red Orange and faeces) Really? Red Orange and Animal Waste? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.251.125.85 (talk • contribs) 14:53, 17 June 2006

New Zealand does not have a regional flavour of Fanta called "Sluo". The fact it was listed as Vaseline flavoured should have been a clue to this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.89.76 (talk • contribs) 11:53, 2 July 2006

Decisions

We need to decide for sure whether these flavors should be listed as "Fanta Whatever Fruit" or just by the fruit and whether we need to list the flavors in alphabetical order within a country domain or perhaps by release date? The latter might be too difficult to determine...thoughts? feelings? votes? Zephyrprince 03:51, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

I went ahead and made that decision —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zephyrprince (talk • contribs) 17:13, 6 September 2005

Re:Photo

We need a logo of fanta on top. .::Imdaking::. ^{Tlk | E-M} 03:35:04, 2005-09-10 (UTC)

I feel like the old one with the basic can should be included somwhere in the article though i do like the old school logo picture. Does anyone have a more contemporary logo picture as well? Is that copyright okay?

Zephyrprince 22:19, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Dubious Statements in First Paragraph

Several of the statements in the first paragraph are not believable, and there is not appropriate citation or other sources available. Please provide citation for these assertions. Thank you. 66.98.168.100 04:39, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Countries with Fanta

I added South Africa, since it wasn't on the list. The flavours are identical to South Korea, curiously enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ManicParroT (talk • contribs) 14:14, 9 March 2006

Fanta is also in Nigeria —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.156.1.223 (talk • contribs) 15:56, 26 April 2006

Nazi Soda??

Michael Moore makes the claim that Fanta was created as a loophole in order to sell Coca Cola in Nazi Germany, but is this accurate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.89.226.48 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 6 April 2006

I have added a Hoax Template to the Article because of this. Could someone please provide a source for this information? I believe it to be untrue because Fanta and Coca Cola are completely difference products, how would creating Fanta substitute as a Loophole? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlinlord (talk • contribs) 04:58, 27 April 2006

If it is true, I leave to be unsaid, but I believe you have misunderstood what is being claimed. We have to distinguish between The Coca Cola Company and their drink Coca Cola. The beverage Coca Cola is said not to have been sold in Nazi Germany, but that didn't mean that the Coca Cola Company wasn't active in the country selling other beverages, which in this case is suggested to have been Fanta. See the difference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andreas Akerman (talk • contribs) 16:05, 29 April 2006

It's an urban legend...--THobern 08:04, 26 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by THobern (talk • contribs)

doesn't the facts on the main page (country of origin: GERMANY introduced: 1940) make this a true statement, whichever way you interpret these facts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.46.105.103 (talk) 12:29, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I think the war time origins of the Fanta product should be made very clear in the article, but the specific phrase "Nazi Germany" is not ideal (since no nation with that name has ever existed). I shall make a relatively minor edit to reflect my opinion on this matter (that's what we're here for right?). Hopefully, it will be to the general satisfaction of all. FYI: There no longer is any flag displayed within the article, which is fine by me. KevinOKeeffe (talk) 08:32, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

What's wrong with the flag? Coca Cola sold Fanta to "Nazi Germany" It's not like there were two Germanys and Coca Cola only sold to the nonfacist one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.91.166.83 (talk) 19:17, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Ha ha, well put! Some people don't like it, that's what's wrong. They'll keep taking it down using silly arguments and eventually we get to 3RR and someone gets blocked. It's the same as pornography folks. Wikipedia isn't censored. If you don't like it, go buy an Encyclopedia Britannica. Lexlex (talk) 22:44, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

The Popes favourite drink

I've heard on several occasions that Fanta is the favourite drink of Pope Benedict XVI. should this be included in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.146.241.198 (talk • contribs) 05:21, 7 June 2006

I suspect this is a joke based on the drink's alleged Nazi origins and Benedict's membership of the Hitler Youth at a time when that was in any case compulsory M0ffx 10:10, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Not only was Fanta created in Nazi Germany-- it was manufactered using conscripted concentration camp labor. Regardless, Coca Cola should not have been doing ANY business in Nazi Germany-- not even selling a beverage as nasty as Fanta. It was extreme hypocracy while maintaining a patriotic visage.-- Fanta is discussed in Michael Blanding's The Coke Machine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.107.187.196 (talk) 16:05, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Just for the record, it's not a joke it's a well verifiable, established fact:

Sipping Fanta, watching TV and playing the piano: A rare glimpse of the Pope relaxing at home

Pope Benedict XVI is addicted to Fanta!

Of course I'm not sure if the Identity of individual fanciers is of little interest when we are talking about The Holy Father. --Arturo Meza Sierra (talk) 21:18, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm well aware that he's God's Vicar on Earth. However, he has fewer #1 hit records than Chuck Berry. So who's to say he's more notable than Chuck Berry? And if we're going to mention what Chuck Berry's favorite drink is, then why not Barry Gordy? And if Barry Gordy, why not Gordy Coleman? And if Gordy Coleman, why not your uncle Dwight? Where do you draw the line? I don't think it's useful to mention any individuals and speculate about what their favorite drink might or might not be. I'd make an exception for Yogi Berra and Yoo-Hoo, but that's it. Herostratus (talk) 00:22, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

We aren't talking about speculations, although maybe Yogi Berra has not saved so many as the Bishop of Rome, I agree that the article is about the product no its consumers. Do you make an exception if the favorite beverage of Benedict XVI was Münsterland Classico Kakao-Drink? --Arturo Meza Sierra (talk) 20:57, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Berra saved quite a few, if you're talking about wild pitches saved from going all the way to the backstop. He was underrated defensively, perhaps because he was such a good hitter or perhaps because his goofball personal led to him being underrated generally. As to the larger question -- what combination of of obscurity of the beverage and notability of the drinker merits mention in the World's Greatest Encyclopedia -- I don't know who has the wisdom to decide this. Perhaps only the Heir of Peter himself... but who will bell that cat? Herostratus (talk) 18:34, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Template

FThis user drinks Fanta Orange

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Expatkiwi (talk • contribs) 12:30, 28 July 2006

What if you like Fanta Grape?!?! Could you make simmilar templates for other flavors?

RobHoitt- 03:49, 2 October 2007 (UTC) - comhrá/talk

Fanta Light (UK)

I notice "previously known as". Fanta Light was completely replaced with a new drink (Fanta Z) due to Light being a complete disaster. (I'll vouch for that, it tasted horrible).

Fanta Z was introduced with a bizzare advert campaign involving people spitting out Fanta Light due to it tasting so bad http://www.ephinx.com/tvadverts/34/fanta-z-goodbye-fanta-light-advert.html

therefore fanta light is a discontinued drink. not just the old name for fanta z

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.192.145 (talk • contribs) 07:53, 8 September 2006

Japan and South Korea

I notice that all the Japanese and South Korean names appear to be translated. Any objection to removing the "Please translate" notices? --DrGaellon 19:04, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Waaa...the Japanese get all the GOOD flavors. I wanna try banana, guava, lychee, & blackcurrant. Y'know, they make a great pineapple sode, but the enastiest orange soda I've ever tasted x_x —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.236.220 (talk • contribs) 01:57, 26 June 2007

Hitler's Favorite Drink?

A few vandalism reverts ago, there was some quip about Fanta being Hitler's favorite drink? Was this vandalism or not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by FX 72.197.133.100 (talk • contribs) 16:04, 23 November 2006

According to Cola Wars part 2, it is said that Nazi headquarters is described as beingf "prime consumers" of coke products —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.192.93.252 (talk • contribs) 19:51, 12 February 2007

The Huge list in this article.

This article contains a very large list on every location where Fanta is distributed and all of the variations in that area. To me, it seems very absurd, large, and it takes away from the article. I think it should be moved to a list of its own about where each variation of Fanta is distributed or something. Any thoughts? Yaanch^Speak! 01:56, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

-I moved it! :D And before that I deleted some of the retired flavors. You're right, it IS absurd. Bellatea

It's back! Is such a list really necessary? Even if it's factual, it's hardly encyclopaedic - and is subject to change without notice as are most of these things. At which point not only will it be uneccesary but will be incorrect too! This comment was left by §©ʁİƃƀȴıŋ’ Ƨł₥ȫȠ talk|contribs 15:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Why not put the list in a new article, List of Fanta flavours. Write a quick list over the most important ones in this article, and put a link to the full list. i've seen this in a lot of articles, like the list of lost episodes article. seems like a good solution to me.--wilhel1812 21:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

How 'bout list of flavor with abbriviations of where they're available, or keep it as-is but not in list format? Or a list of flavors done in release-date order & an "available in # countries) next to each? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.236.220 (talk • contribs) 01:59, 26 June 2007

List of Fanta flavours created! Be bold and refreshing as the drink whose article you're editing! -- Exitmoose 01:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Ireland

Can I just say that the "Ireland" and Northern Ireland bit needs to be changed Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom even though it shares the geographical Island with the Republic Of Ireland

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.61.130 (talk • contribs) 16:35, 22 April 2007

Australia Retired Flavours

It says in the Australia section that the rasberry flavour is retired. But at my local Hungry Jacks, you can have a Fanta Rasberry refill. I think some of the flavours are still available. Chicken-7 11:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Nazi Germany or Germany

I reverted the country of Origin from Nazi Germany to Germany cause there never was a country called nazi Germany. Germany had a Nazi leader at the time but the term "Nazi Germany" is plain wrong. --Moritz der Moralapostel 02:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it really should be Nazi Germany or at least Germany with the Nazi flag. This because if it hadn´t been for the war sanctions against the German Coca-Cola producers, they would never have invented Fanta. The beeing of the Nazi flag (and name) clearifies this in a very obvious and informative way. The current German flag really has nothing to do with Fanta. --FarbrorJoakim 13:35, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the flag used for the country of origin should be the current German flag. I think its OK to use the Nazi flag for war articles but to use in in the Fanta article just gives out the wrong message of the Fanta company i.e. in a way but not directly calling them Nazis. I know the company was set up in Nazi Germany under the Nazi flag, but I believe the country of origin should be Germany with the current German flag. - Ryan2807 21:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Ryan you don't really give a rationale for *why* you think this, other than it "might send the wrong message." What message? To whom? What are you worried about? Fanta is a product, not a company, and has changed hands several times. It was invented in Germany under the Nazi regime and its incarnation came about specifically due to the shipping restrictions in place against the country at that time. It's not only pertinent to have the correct flag, it's an interesting point and gives one pause. Attempts to censor information because it's not nice or might offend someone are silly and not in keeping with the grand Wikipedian tradition of truth over all, yes? Can you change it back now please, lest you be thought of as an Orwellian? Lexlex 16:03, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I never changed the flag back to the present day one. Don't accuse me of something i didn't do. ass! - Ryan2807 12:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I thought I was writing to an adult - sorry for hurting your feelings. I'll be more gentle with you if I encounter you again. Lexlex 01:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

If abusing a 16 year old gives you kicks, you go girl. Whatever floats your boat! - Ryan2807 21:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Ryan did indeed give a reason for for his opinion. With the Nazi-flag, you indirectly do accuse the Coca-Cola-Company of cooperating with the Nazis. Maybe we have to decide two different issues: Once for the flag and once for the term "Nazi Germany".

The second decision should be very easy: As I have mentioned above, there never was a country called "Nazi Germany". it may be a common term in some areas to clarify about the politics at the time but thats not a reason to pretend this is an official country name.

The issue about the flag is a general one, I guess. It depends on whether you always use a country's current flag or the one they had at the time. Maybe someone knows about Wikipedias general consent with this or someone could check other articles where this is an issue (preferably not with Germany).

I think we have to realize one thing. The flag and the term "Nazi Germany" are in the table on the right, so they jump right onto you. I bet there are a lot of people visiting this site and only seeing the stuff in the table giving general information but not reading the article. Once you read the article its clear why it says Nazi Germany (even though the term is wrong IMO) and why there is a Nazi flag. But the person only reading the stuff in the table has to assume the CocaCola company worked together with the Nazis and Germany still has a Nazi government.

BTW: you can always see who did which reverts in the history of the article. No need to argue and insult! --Moritz der Moralapostel 09:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Following this logic the flag should be US because it's now owned by a US company, right? I certainly don't write articles to pander to people who only read captions or tables - if anything I want them to be a little thrown by what they see in a table so they DO read the rest. As for policy, can anyone find a current product that was invented in a now nonexistent country? (e.g. prussia, USSR, etc?) What's the flag? Nazi Germany had very different borders than the Germany of today, if you found that parts of the original Fanta came from what is now Poland (then Nazi Germany), would a Polish flag go up? This could get ridiculous, no? Lexlex 17:25, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Fanta was invented in Germany around 1940. At that time the official German flag was the Nazi/Swastika flag. Following accepted usage in Wikipedia this flag should be used. The name of the country is of course Germany. Nazi Germany is Allied Propaganda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.176.224.117 (talk • contribs) 17:27, 3 August 2007

the German Reich from 1918-1933 is always called Weimar republic although it's name was German Reich, so if the German Reich of one period is called by an other name (which clarifies the period), other periods of the German Reich should also be called by specific names as well — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.195.69.112 (talk) 20:13, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Can somebody please take down the nazi flag

Can somebody please take down the nazi flag in the Fanta page, to the left of the Germany. I find it very offensive and would appreciate if it taken down immediately. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.109.54.51 (talk • contribs) 19:40, 23 July 2007

Thats exactly what we're arguing about! Read the discussions! I support your opinion, but apparently not everyone. I assume you are German, too?! --Moritz der Moralapostel 09:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

No im not German, and I did read the argument, i still believe that regadless where the drink started, it is still not headquartered in "nazi" Germany, it is headquartered in Germany. and regardless of any political statement anybody might be making (if any) I still would like to see the nazi flag taken down please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.104.217.38 (talk • contribs) 02:30, 28 July 2007

While I can understand that the Nazi flag is extremely offensive to some people, it's still history - and ignoring history is the quickest way to have it repeat. I certainly don't want us all to lose the memory of Nazi Germany because that is the best known example of what happens with unchecked fascism. It's horribly true and we must never forget it. We should never forget that Fanta was invented because of the Nazis - no one would ship to them (not even Coca Cola) so they had to some up with their own drink. This is history, and while it's tempting to bury it because it's uncomfortable, it is a perfect touchstone to get younger generations thinking about the past so we never have something as horrible as the Nazis take place again. Lexlex 17:14, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

History is not going to repeat itself over a Nazi flag image on a Fanta page on Wikipedia. Just take it down, please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.105.171.142 (talk • contribs) 22:11, 30 July 2007

I can only assume that 24.203.172.35 is or is in cahoots with this person who won't identify him or herself - much less present any sort of argument for their position. What's the problem folks? Why are you attempting to force your point of view? I can assure you that I am becoming just as offended at your totalitarian behavior which, like it or not, is the same offensive behavior behind the flag you so despise. Thanks so much for illustrating the point and ensuring the erasure of honest history. Orwell cookies anyone? Lexlex 07:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

POV -check

There are concerns about the way the article is presented which perhaps gives too much weight in the introduction to the product's association with the war and the Nazi party. There are other ways the introduction could be written, and perhaps the current global nature of the brand and its many flavours could come first, and the history section could detail the brand's history. SilkTork 11:26, 6 August 2007 (UTC) I have made some quick edits, though more may be needed. SilkTork 11:37, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Debate on use of flag in Fanta article

There has been some discussion and debate on the use of the German flag in this article. As yet no consensus appears to have been reached. Lexlex has asked for some assistance with this matter: [1] and was directed to Wikipedia:Don't_overuse_flags#Political_issues which is an essay on the topic. I have looked for "accepted usage in Wikipedia this flag should be used", and have found no such guidance, nor usage. Most products that I looked at do not have a flag icon in either the article or the template, and the few I found, such as Coca-Cola, have a modern flag rather than the flag current at the time the brand was created. I see no evidence of consensus in either the discussion or activity that has taken place on this article, nor in the Wiki community as a whole, to have a controversal and out-dated flag placed on a non-related article. I propose, therefore, that the German flag of 1940 not be used on this article. SilkTork 10:44, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Support Support as nominator. SilkTork 10:44, 9 August 2007 (UTC) Support as nominator. Ryan2807 21:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC) Support as nominator. RobHoitt 03:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose as nominator. FarbrorJoakim 03:23, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

Comments

Dear SilkTork while your efforts are commendable I object to your premise. Truth cannot be decided by vote and even if it were, the people who read this section hardly represent a quorum. It's simply not a valid resolve. There has to be some other way. Can you think of any other area in Wikipedia that presents factual information that is uncomfortable to some who would wish it not displayed? What was the resolve there. Thanks again for your help with this interesting issue. Lexlex 15:34, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

It was not my intention to set up a poll or vote. It was my intention to set up a debate. Which is why I called it "Debate on use of flag in Fanta article". What I was looking for was some controlled discussion on the subject leading to a consensus, in the same manner as an AfD or RfA. Anyway - it didn't work. Now we have a forth discussion on the flag. I hope that one works! SilkTork 07:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I would support SilkTork's opinion however my reasoning would be perhaps from a different angle.

I don't think the use of a flag is appropriate at all. At the moment none of the following simmilar articles contain flags, so I would say that a proper precedent has already been established... To make my point, if we did elect to use Nazi flag here, by that same logic, with RC Cola (My personal favorite Cola) being invented in 1905, would we not need to use the "45 Star" flag.

Where Coca-Cola was invented in 1890, would the "38 Star" US flag be appropriate?

If you look back at Hires Root Beer it would be even older.

So that logic would require Ginger Beer which was invented sometime in the early 1700's to have an even older one!

But at least we would all agree on on Irn Bru

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I know my way of making the arguement is somewhat facetious, but the point is that really the flag doesn't add anything to the article. The article is about soda, not about the political status of the country where it was invented.

By the way, I am glad this wasn't a debate about Goya Foods sodas. Depending on the flavor they may have been invented in Angola, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Spain or the United States. Whew! Cheers! RobHoitt 03:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Your "at the moment" observation is certainly true. Our motivated debater Chris (below) has removed flags on every soda article I have mentioned within the last few days - I suppose in a misguided effort to "prove" his point. So far I am not following the logic here. While one might argue that these articles are not political and a flag is not neccesary, I still disagree.

Why list the country at all? A flag is an instant way to identify a country of origin and is akin to having a picture of person when mentioning his name. It's certainly relevant. Literally thousands of infoboxes on Wikipedia use flags - from Automobiles to Actors & many more. Now argument is being made that it's superfluous decoration. These attempts to force a perspective are bordering on assinine. If someone wanted to take the time to research the appropriate flag for a time period or each soda, why not? It's certainly valid and contextual and I think it does add to the article. Lexlex 15:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

No, it adds nothing to the article. If you have a country's name, its respective flag is redundant. -- Chris.B 15:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I didn't take a look at the page histories, that no doubt had an influence to my perspective to the debate, but I would dare say that the pages all looked good and uniform. By the way, someone missed Thums Up from India. (Which I've tried personally but could not acquire a taste for.) I would say as a group, a consistent process should be agreed upon, perhaps this articles page is not the proper venue, and the majority should decide what is the proper process. I think folks here are looking for a consistent guideline to follow. RobHoitt 20:39, 27 August 2007 (UTC) (BTW, Someone realigned my flags from the inline design that I had to a more ordered list, I like the way it looks now, thank you. -Rob)

I disagree with your choice for Irn Bru. At the time of its creation, the Saltire in fact featured a much darker shade of blue, as in the Union flag.

Nazi flag

The Nazi flag has no place in this article. It is flagcruft and solely a decoration, and not to mention vastly misrepresentative to the topic. Chris.B 16:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

These are, of course, your opinions dear Chris. I disagree on both points unless you can put some rational thought behind your summary declarations. Lexlex 14:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I have - it's flagcruft. Please don't play devil's advocate and instead consider improving the article as opposed to arguing merely to provoke discussion - and I think it is hopeless to disagree with someone and not provide an argument. Adding a country's flag next to its name does not provide additional encyclopedic information in a general context, and is simply distracting. Wikipedia generally strongly eschews the use of images for decorative purposes, preferring those that provide additional essential information or needed illustration. The Nazi flag does neither. Chris.B 16:50, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Before I continue, let us use English words - please? This is starting to sound like a D&D game. Chris, this is my attempt to improve the article. I believe the display of the origin country's flag in this case is highly appropriate due to its central nature and role in the development of Fanta. It's relevant, on topic and highly interesting. You're obviously intelligent and thoughtful so to me it seems your broad characterization of its use, summary dismissal of the relevance, and weak attempt to make this into a decorative issue indicates some other, undeclared motivation - and this is what is bothering me. You seem to be operating under the delusion that a symbol is "bad" or "good." But it's just a symbol - and while I understand it may hold some meaning to a section of the population, I don't think it fair said group can come in here and run roughshod over the rest of the Wikipedia readership and selectively remove contributed information simply because they feel offended. It is not acceptable and brings to light a central failure in the Wiki model: persistently loud voices or majority win every argument. It's why colleges are disallowing Wikipedia research - you can't trust it. How do you think this should be resolved? I will be respectful, and am glad to you’re writing - but I'm also not interested in letting this drop just to play nice. Lexlex 18:31, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I am not arguing on the grounds that it is offensive, there is a content disclaimer for that. Thus the point that it is a 'bad' symbol is rendered wholly empty, and as far as I can see, that argument is not being employed by anyone here, certainly not me. Yet the fact that the symbol, however bad or good it is, does not provide any encyclopaedic material, warrants its removal. You say it is relevant, on topic and highly interesting - not really, it is a flag used by a government of the country at a time when the beverage was created therefore off-topic. It may be interesting to you Lexlex, but that is your point of view and not suitable for an encyclopaedia. Wikipedia works by building consensus, that is to say, a broad unanimity by its contributors. Let this not confuse you with simply 'voting' as you see above - polling is not a substitute for discussion -- Chris.B 19:17, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I did make an assumption on your rationale, so shame on me. But - if it's only your interpretation of Wikipedia policy you're touting and you have no other agenda - will you also remove the flags on Moxie, 7 up, Pepsi and the host of other soft drinks that use the beverage infobox and display the flag of the country of origin? Are they "off topic" by your logic or is Fanta special? For that matter, what about the thousands of other infoboxes system-wide that use flags? Why are you singling out this particular flag for removal if Wikipedia flag policy is your only beef? Lexlex 21:46, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

No, not really. Those flags have been removed and you will soon find that I am not the only contributor who is removing them. And regarding your assertion that they are used on thousands of infoboxs, not quite. You will not find flags on a biography infobox or anywhere else where it is superfluous, so Fanta is not any special. -- Chris.B 10:08, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Ouch, Chris! I guess that's one way to try and win an argument - get rid of the evidence! (Kinda like book burning, huh?) Let's see how long your edits last. Not long, I think. Enjoy the quagmire of complaints you will inspire, and thank you for so effectively illustrating my point above. If I see anymore "superfluous" use of flags I will be sure and let the flag police know. On the other hand, you could just accept that it's only the Nazi flag that bugs you and we could talk about that - like adults. I will revisit this in a few weeks after your edits pass the three revert rule. Have fun! (You missed Coca-Cola by the way.) Lexlex 15:59, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I will see you in a few weeks then, enjoy your break. Have I stated in my comments that the flag is in any way offensive or should not be used because of its symbolism? As I said, that would be an empty argument since Wikipedia contains spoilers and content you may find objectionable - so you needn't trouble yourself to allege that it's in fact that hideous flag which bugs me. Thanks for pointing out Coca-Cola, I am sure the thought flag police have not seen it yet. Cheers, Chris.B 17:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

(deindent) I agree 100% with Chris here; not because I find the Nazi flag offensive, but because it adds nothing to the link to Germany and the date. This is a classic example of how flags are a bad thing in cases like this; they oversimplify nations and nationalities by appealing to a visual image with its connotations of loyalty and nationalism. This is why Germany is always to be preferred to Germany, except in certain areas where they are agreed to be helpful such as sports and some politics and history articles. (They can also aid in tables where many nationalities are listed and they genuinely save space). In this article the use of the Nazi flag is superfluous and detracts from the article. I support its removal. --John 18:15, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I for one am an avid World War II buff, so I find interest in the origins of products, and in fact a couple of Nazi-developed concepts are still a factor in today's life, so I have no problem wth the historical context of mentioning that Fanta was made during the time of the Nazis. To be fair, I took a look at a couple of other articles that would arguably have stronger ties to the Nazi regime. The first, Volkswagen was commissioned into exsistence by Adolf Hitler himself. (Although not specifically spelled out in the Wikipedia article itself, Hitler was alledgely the first person to coin the term "volks wagen" which literally means "people's car".) In that particular article the only flags shown are the current nationality of the company, the nationality of the current major officer and the current flag of the country where the company is based. Hitler was also the major motivator behind the second article I looked into relating to the German Autobahns (Although I do know that the concept was developed by the "pre-Nazi" Weimar Republic) The Autobahn system was what inspired then General Dwight D. Eisenhower to later support legislation as President commissioning the United States Interstate Highway System. The Autobahn article does not contain a German flag at all. So IMHO I would say that while the history of Fanta is interesting and the content is valid, I don't think the flag would offer any more to the article. RobHoitt 03:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

you have to realize that Fanta exists solely because of the American boycott which prevented Coca Cola from importing the necessary syrups to market their products to Germany, as a result of the Nazi regime and its actions. To apply the Nazi flag to this article isn't politicizing, just stating facts. 2CrudeDudes (talk) 21:02, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I wish the people who are so amped about the flag would grow up and admit that it's just the Nazi flag that bugs them. Every manner of silly argument has been made to banish the flag on this article yet other flags from other nations abound elsewhere. This really annoys me. The Nazi flag is just a flag with an ancient Indian symbol on it. The sooner you abandon your hyper sensitivity to a flag and start analyzing events for what they are instead of the the symbols that represent them, the sooner these symbols will cease to have power over you. In short: get over it. It's history. Nazis aren't coming back. Use your sensitivity to find new fascists and stop those people from committing new crimes. This re-hashing ancient history and super sensitivity is a waste of time. Lexlex (talk) 22:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I notice that the flag appears to be back up. Did the community ever reach a ruling on its use? Winston Spencer (talk) 23:19, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I didn't put it up, but think it should stay - as mentioned above ad infinitum. This really doesn't need a ruling as the only reason not to put it up is self censorship. Since Wikipedia isn't censored, well - it's just some people who piss themselves when they see the flag and take it down. Look, I live in Germany - in Nürnberg, in fact. I get it. Here in old Nazi central there are still swastikas embedded in tiles in schools on floors, in concrete abutments, etc. that were just too expensive to remove at the time. Now the attitude here is: it's history, deal with it - but don't try and cover it up lest we forget. It only has the power you give it - and I promise you, it has no power. Lexlex (talk) 22:57, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

PepsiCo competitor?

Nearly all Coca-Cola products have a PepsiCo competitor (for example, Barq's vs. Mug Root Beer, Sprite vs. Sierra Mist, Powerade vs. Gatorade, etc.). In the United States, what PepsiCo soft drink most directly competes with Fanta? —Lowellian (reply) 02:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

That would be Mandarin Orange Slice where it is still available. [2] Cheers! RobHoitt- 18:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC) - comhrá/talk

Thank you very much for the quick answer. :) Note I reformatted your URL reference, removing the reflist template inside your comment, because that will cause problems if somewhere else on this talk page, someone gives a reference (clicking on that reference will end up redirecting to the reflist under this particular heading of comments, when the reference is for a different topic of discussion). —Lowellian (reply) 23:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. I also saw at the grocery store ealier that Pepsi also is now marketing orange as well as other fruit flavored sodas under the Tropicana brand as well.

RobHoitt- 21:42, 1 September 2007 (UTC) - comhrá/talk

International names

I've deleted the section "International Names" per WP:DICT. We have already had a list of links to versions of other languages of this article. --supernorton 05:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Number of flavors

I don't have time, but someone should verify the number of flavors. It's stated as 115 in the second sentence, and "over 70" in the "Fanta in other countries" section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.8.45.106 (talk) 13:56, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Fanta apple

Fanta apple was not new in 2008. I bought it in the US many times since at least 2003. I'm removing that statement since it is incorrect and not even sourced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.90.155.55 (talk) 22:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Fanta ad campaigns

Hey all, I found the Fanta ad campaigns (launched in 2007) on the net. Shall I add the OFFICIAL YouTube links?

Changed "United Kingdom" to "English" in formulations

I've changed UK to English as the formulation for Fanta Orange is variable between some of the constituent countries in the UK (namely, Fanta Orange in Northern Ireland uses 8% orange juice as opposed to 5%, due to competition from Club Orange).

In that case change it from "United Kingdom" to "British". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.251.230.214 (talk) 23:23, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

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In "other" countries?

Is "Fanta in other countries" really a good and neutral name for that one section? Other countries than what? Fanta is apparently an international brand, and depending on where the reader resides, "other" countries can be anywhere in the world, but it just doesn't look right (or neutral). 213.64.115.232 (talk) 23:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Fanta wasn't created by Nazis

The information in the history section is false. check number 1 in the reference section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.11.164.21 (talk) 03:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

According to "Und morgen gibt es Hitlerwetter" (Wohlfromm and Wohlfromm 2006. page 273)Fanta (for Fantastisch) came about when Hermann Goring, as head of the 4 year economic plan and in line with Nazi plans for autarky, demanded a German product to replace Coca-Cola.

Taff —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.98.197.204 (talk) 14:18, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

maybe not by Nazis but for Nazis11:09, 23 April 2012 (UTC)11:09, 23 April 2012 (UTC)11:09, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

re country of origin

Another editor and I are disagreeing about whether the country of origin should be listed in the infobox as "Germany" or "Nazi Germany".

We don't usually characterize the political organization of a country where it's not germane to the subject at hand, I don't think.

In the case of "Soviet Union" or "USSR" this was necessary, since the Soviet Union's official name inherently stated its socioeconomic/political method of organization. In ambiguous cases it might be necessary to be specific, as in differentiating between the German Democratic Republic ("East Germany") and the Federal Republic of Germany ("West Germany").

But that is not the case here. There was only one Germany in 1941. If the beverage had been invented in 2005, we would put "Germany" not "Federal Republic of Germany", I think, or if in 1923 we would not put "Weimar Republic" and so forth.

(Actually, if we did want to be more specific, it should be "Greater German Reich" or something as "Nazi Germany" is just an informal name, I guess.)

So should it be "Germany" or "Nazi Germany" or "Greater German Reich" or what? I would say just "Germany". Herostratus (talk) 07:26, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm agree with you, the specific name of Fanta ursprungsland should be "Greater German Reich", which it's a little different than modern Germany.--Arturo Meza Sierra (talk) 20:52, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Pronunciation

I'm new to this but isn't Fanta pronounced fænta rather than fa:nta? Notalwaysright (talk) 14:53, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Bottle images

I took a couple of photos of Chinese Fanta and Sprite 200ml stubby glass bottles. I did the same for Coke. It was deleted for copyvio reasons, and then restored as the logo is a zillion years old. (Now the image is in the Coke article.) What's the story with Fanta and Sprite? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:33, 24 June 2011 (UTC) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:01, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Spitting controversy.

I don't think the kids were spitting because of the commercial. Try an Orange Crush or a Sunkist soda before you try an Orange Fanta; you'll spit it out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.134.7 (talk) 01:17, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

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Correct Origin

I put the correct Origin as Nazi Germany instead of just Germany. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.67.252.27 (talk) 13:22, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

In my opinion there's no need to describe the political system of the country of origin, see Talk:Fanta#re country of origin thread above. Herostratus (talk) 19:30, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but we're not defining the political system. We're defining the country of origin which is Nazi Germany as I recall in the upper area, it says Todays germany is a different germany then the 1940s germany and college students doing a study on softdrinks might put Fanta was Made in Germany instead of Nazi Germany. It could cause confusion is the reason i want it changed to at least Nazi Germany or Greater German Reich. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.67.252.27 (talk) 01:24, 16 February 2012 (UTC)