Talk:Lists of feature films with LGBT characters

Stuart Smalley

I removed Stuart Smalley, because he's not gay. Even though he seems very effeminate, it's never been stated that he was gay, in fact in the book he was mistakenly thought to be gay by someone else.

List

So, not actors then. I vote that it be changed to "List of gay and bisexual characters" in film, radio, and TV fiction 202.191.106.86 08:01, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I think the word "fiction" should make that suggestion redundant... 惑乱 分からん 13:58, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

These are not people, they're characters. Title of article should be changed.--Larrybob 20:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, fair point, I guess... 惑乱 分からん 01:18, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Ennis Del Mar and Jack Twist

I've Changed a couple of things that thought, to avoid confusion, to mention it here, with reasons for the changes.

1. Ennis DelMar ; From the movie Brokeback Mountain. He is not gay, as some may believe, he is bisexual, Leaning more towards Heterosexuality.
2. Jack Twist ; From the movie Brokeback Mountain. He, Like Ennis, is not gay, but is Bisexual, but unlike Ennis, Leans more towards Homosexuality.

The above changes can clearly be seen in the Movie, despite what mainstream Media has stated. --Aaron Twist 08:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Some days ago...I changed their listing to "Gay, possible bisexual" because the subject of sexual orientation in concerns to these two characters is disputed. They aren't even categorized as gay or bisexual in their articles anymore because of this very reason, as discussed on their talk pages. They are rather just categorized as LGBT characters. In this article, however, they should be listed as I've mentioned above due to dispute over the categorization of their sexuality. Most sources report them as gay, but others bring up the subject of bisexuality. Thus "Gay, possible bisexual" fits them best in regards to placing them on this list. Flyer22 (talk) 08:26, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Format

This list seems a bit disorganized. Sometimes the character's sexuality is classified at the end of the listing, sometimes after the show... Is there a proper format to follow, or is it just expected the editors would work it out? --OGoncho 02:51, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Due to apparent lack of interest, i've begun to standardize a few items throughout the article based on what's already been done. basically: name - programme - identification - orientation. i've also truncated the id part to just a simple blurb instead of some of the longer descriptions containing 'portrayed by', other 'show references', every encountered, etc. i think short and snarky is much better since the majority already have complete bios, in article of whatever programme they appear in. ...just a suggestion. i'm also working on placing the data in a tables. --emerson7 17:25, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

REGARDING DELETION REQUEST:::

There are older versions of the page that contain incorrect information that is degrading to individuals. the following edit made on this date: 19:25, 27 February 2007 Inline six (Talk | contribs) is not correct as it lists owen rotharmel and this information is not correct. Can this page version please be deleted so that the page cannot be reverted to this version again?

There is no reason for this page to be deleted and an AfD would be pointless. Can somebody give me an -obia? ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 13:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

For film historians like me, it would be extremly helpful if someone could add years und countries to the list. Right now, it is a list only for the use of insiders who know all these shows, movies and characters anyway. --Stilfehler 16:02, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay.

Personally, I think it's disrespectful when people start putting names up that there isn't solid evidence for (like Sponge Bob). I mean, grow up and save that for Uncyclopedia. I've tried to eliminate as much of that as I can, but it would be nice if that would stay out of this article so it can be a credible source of information. Thanks for the hard work.

Well, while it's all horrifically unsourced (should be a "source" field after medium), the Harvey Birdman inclusion isn't completely without evidence.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 10:31, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

There do seem to be entries that are speculative at best. Also, what's the policy on entries for which there's a significant indication of homo/bisexuality, but no actual confirmation?Jefepato 01:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is Idiotic, Homophobic, Communist and Bigoted

When I search for "Monster TV show", this is the #1 result, with 100% relevance!!!!!!

What is Wikipedia trying to suggest???

That gay and bisexual people are monsters???

Wikipedia is idiotic, homophobic, communist and bigoted.--71.203.147.175 17:02, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Or...it could just be bad programming. The search probably counts the instances of "monster" (such as Party Monster), "TV" (all the listings of TV) and "show" (all the subheadings film/show). Taking this into account, and also remembering that this is a list, the search naturally, although naïvely, shows this as the first result with 100% relevance. Take that last bit with a grain of salt. DonQuixote 22:23, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I hate to pile on here, but I think Herbert the Pervert should be removed from this list. He is clearly not gay; he's a pedophile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.159.124.21 (talk) 19:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

He probably should be removed...Done. DonQuixote 15:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Why remove him because he's a paedophile? He most certainly is, however, his fantasies are of young boys... He's chasing Chris not Meg! GuinanTheCat 16:39, 13 December 2011 (GMT)

Contrary to what some might think, paedophilia is different from homosexualit DonQuixote (talk) 21:50, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

One Piece

Since people talk about what should and should not be included on this page, and because I am a One Piece fan, I'd like to raise the issue of Mr. 2 Bon Clay. While he may be noted as having a very flamboyant nature, he is really only officially labeled as an 'okama', which means he is a transvestite. His main article on wikipedia doesn't mention or give any source for him being listed as gay. Could it be his name doesn't really belong here and someone just slipped him in based on assumption? In the anime, he did seem to show slight interest in Princess Vivi by blowing her a kiss.

Removal

I've just removed Albus Dumbledore from the list. Can't think why... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.81.33.111 (talk) 03:30, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I put him back. Please read this and this. Thanks. GlassCobra 04:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Anime

About half of the characters that are from an Anime are listed as "TV/Anime" The other half are just listed as "TV" and a remaining portion are listed under "Manga" or "Comic." How should this be standardized? -Vcelloho (talk) 03:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd put all characters from anime or manga in an "Anime/Manga" section. TigressofIndia (talk) 03:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Buffy

Shouldn't Buffy and Satsu be included on here? Satsu at least as a lesbian, but Buffy as a "questionable" bisexual (she did sleep with Satsu and finds Satsu calling her ma'm sexy.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.206.190.114 (talk) 13:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

An editor removed Buffy because he or she says that Joss Whedon confirmed that Buffy is not bisexual.

As for Buffy having sex with a woman and being a little sexually attracted to her, well, I don't believe that anyone is 100 % heterosexual or homosexual. That doesn't mean that I believe that everyone should be called bisexual either. It seems that Buffy was just sexually experimenting/being free with her sexuality altogether in that moment. Flyer22 (talk) 01:22, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Mr. Humphries from Are You Being Served?

In the article it has been stated that he is bisexual - there is no proof of that, nor is there proof that he is homosexual. It is a questionable subject between fans of AYBS? (including myself). He could just be an effeminate male. I thnk that he should either be removed from the list, or be marked as possibly gay, possibly bisexual.

Yu Yu Hakusho: Miyuki edit war

First of all, sorry for (my) bad English grammar.

Twice I've tried to add a note about Miyuki's transgender sex. But you can see here and here it's some kind of expanding (Thriller (song) --> Beat It --> Off the Wall (song) --> List of Post-disco --> List of LGBT characters) personal attack or what - consecutively, 4 my edits (first proof)/3 (second proof) were reverted, but this is irrelevant, right now.

List of all "references" that I added:

• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GYCwlEhWiY (yes, I know, RS W:RS rule)
• http://www.pojo.com/yuyu/bios/m.shtml (It's a little bit unclear, but with that YouTube video is badass reference, that clearly saying: "she's half woman and half man = transgender")
• http://www.comicvine.com/miyuki/29-46449/gallery/108-10205/74991-miyuki/105-168807/ (some argue, this reference shows some "other wiki" and therwithal unsourced at the same moment. What a comedic contrast! I've laugh so much)

However, in the article are just three references at all, so why be so fussy about referencing for one character; there must be something else: Why somebody successfully keeping down that Miyuki note, and why only Miyuki character? It's so mysterious! :D RockandDiscoFanCZ (talk) 22:27, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Patty Bouvier (from The Simpsons)

I would say that Patty was changed from a heterosexual to a lesbian character. For a very long time there was no reason to think she was bisexual or bi, she even dated Seymour Skinner and always fancied MacGuyver respectivly the actor who played MacGuyver. Then in one or two (I wouldn't say more) rather late episodes she was lesbian and suddenly she also had a "lesbian past". I really guess you couldn't call her bisexual at any point. Her sexual orientation was changed from heterosexual to lesbian. I have to add that at least in the german dubbed version she tells Marge Simpson once that she's "lesbisch", meaning "lesbian". But it might be a wrong translation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.105.123.66 (talk) 02:58, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Michel Gerard (from Gilmore Girls)

I've seen literally hardly missed more than three minutes of the whole show, if not nothing. I have seen all the episodes at least once, most of them even two or four times. I am 99.99999 % sure that in the show no-one ever mentions that Michel is gay. I guess here he is listed as gay because his character SEEMS like the perfect stereotypical gay man. But this is no proof. I don't know if anybody like the creator of the show ever said that he is gay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.105.123.66 (talk) 03:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Removal of non-referenced names

I have removed all of the names from the list, with the exception of the four names that were referenced. The reason I did this is because the list was unverifiable as it was; and therefore, not acceptable within the Wikipedia project. DO NOT add the names back unless you include a reference to verify your assersion that the character is, is fact (fiction), gay. Onthegogo (talk) 22:26, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

A bit extreme if you ask me. It's not as if WP:BLP applies here. However, I should be able to add back the majority of the EastEnders characters with references. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 23:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Utena Tenjou

The article says she is "Bisexual/Transgender". Bisexual is correct here but not transgender. I think she is more crosdresser and not transgender. I'm not sure, but think "transgender" should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Linda Kaioh (talk • contribs) 03:33, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Eric Cartman?

Isn't Eric Cartman gay or bisexual? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.103.143.225 (talk) 21:19, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Nope. 02:48, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Possible rename?

Shouldn't this list be called List of fictional LGBT characters in keeping with the naming conventions of other such articles? And why limit it to film, radio, and TV? Why not include those in notable books or comic strips? Dream Focus 12:03, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

i think you need to read the AFD again.Bread Ninja (talk) 12:17, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

The AFD you argued with everyone, and still had all your arguments shot down by the closing administrator? Some want to split it, others not, there no consensus on bothering to do that. I don't see it as too long a list to handle anyway. If it ever gets too big, then some can be tossed off elsewhere of course. Dream Focus 00:18, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

See the next section for arguments for a split, particularly WP:SALAT. The inclusion criteria are not clear (how major or minor a character needs to be to merit inclusion, what is the threshold for different media?). With separate lists we don't have to ask whether to include books, separate manga and anime, etc. We just make a list of lists, per the guidelines.--70.80.234.163 (talk) 01:39, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Splitting

Given the AfD, splitting should be considered as film, radio and TV is just an arbitrary combination of media (why not include books and games?) and the inclusion criteria are not clear and the subject is too broad (there is certainly enough material to make a list for TV characters alone). With separate lists, each with their own rules as what constitutes sufficient reason for inclusion, maintenance would be much easier. This page would be left (or redirected to List of LGBT characters in fiction) as a list of list, per WP:SALAT.--70.80.234.163 (talk) 01:08, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Well I've actually begun the arduous process of an attempted split. I saw the list was inordanantly long, and arbitrarily clumped together. Thus far I've split just the A section into List of LGBT characters in film, Television and Animation. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Ncboy2010 (talk) 14:58, 15 April 2012 (UTC)