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"Cnut the Great?!"

Why is Cnut called "Cnut the Great" in this article? It specifically says on the Alfred the Great article and in every single Kings and Queens book I have that Alfred is the only English king in history to be called "the Great", and here we're calling Cnut "the Great". Can someone please tell me why? The Shadow-Fighter (talk) 19:27, 28 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You might well ask. In almost 50 years of reading history books I have never seen or heard of Canute being called "the Great". This gross error seems to be based on the title of just one modern book. Cliff (talk) 18:28, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That would clearly be an error in the Alfred article. I'll take a look. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 21:38, 28 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the assertion in that article specifically mentions that Cnut also has that title, and its footnote says "Cnut the Great, who ruled England from 1016 to 1035, was Danish." Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 21:41, 28 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't an error. Cliff (talk) 18:28, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Shall we assume it's because he was great - and a number of learned historians (such his main biographer Laurence Marcellus Larsson) have referred to him as such? Isn't the article's first given source a good one? SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:30, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Cnut the Great" is basically the English translation of his Norse name and nickname (see the very start of the article), though that's more properly something like "Knut the Powerful", I guess. Idontcareanymore (talk) 07:35, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

In view of the constant vandalism, I suggest that an administrator should make this article semi-protected so that it cannot be edited by anonymous editors. Dudley Miles 21:42, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

I came to this page after reading his name as part of a similie in an article on the BBC News website (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15107384), which I assume has to do with an enduring characterisation of Canute, but it's not immediately clear to me what that might be. Ought there to be a section in this article about his reputation? 78.86.61.94 (talk) 11:09, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The reference in that article is to Canute attempting to hold back the tide; Canute's name is invoked as an example of someone who tried to stop something that they should have realized could not be stopped. The story is covered here in the section "Ruler of the waves", but perhaps if a source can be found that discusses the figurative use of his name we could add a sentence or two mentioning the modern usage. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:48, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Northmania

If Northmania isn't Normandy, where is it? The only reference I can find at [1] states that it was Rollo's name for Normandy. Dudley Miles (talk) 15:51, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's pretty clear that wherever it was ... in this context it wasn't Normandy - " Harthacnut was the semi-legendary founder of the Danish royal house who, according to Adam of Bremen, came to Denmark from Northmania. That's the context - not at all connected with Rollo. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:59, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In this context I agree that Normandy is unlikely, anachronistic even, and would suggest Norway: see Ohthere of Hålogaland for the image at top right, where Ohthere says that he lived "northmost of all the Nor∂manna". Is it too much of a stretch to say that the home of these Nor∂manna might have been Latinized by Adam of Bremen as "Northmania"? I dunno what modern commentaries make of it. HTH. Nortonius (talk) 16:42, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The article on Harthacnut says that Adam may have meant Norway or Normandy, but no reference is given. Norway seems more likely, but I do not see why Normandy can be ruled out. He could have come to Denmark from Normandy after falling out with Rollo, and a later chronicler could have called it Northmania even if the name was anachronistic in the 910s. As the meaning is not known, I think the statement should be deleted from the Cnut article as not adding to it. Dudley Miles (talk) 18:00, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with that. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:10, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ditto – it is unclear. I know v little about Adam of Bremen, how careful was he about naming places? Someone might have an opinion on that, I suppose. Cheers. Nortonius (talk) 18:26, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, after all that, I think it's pretty clear Adam means Normandy! Here (Liber II, Capitulum 22), he refers to both "Norveia", presumably Norway, and "Nordmania[m]" in a single section, which seems (to me) to concern the 10th century...? But make of that what you will, it's Sunday and a looong day for me, cheers. Nortonius (talk) 18:59, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
But ... the main point is .. what relevance does what Adam of Bremen say about the legendary founder of the Danish royal house have to do with .. Cnut? Ealdgyth - Talk 19:02, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, only that this guy's Cnut's alleged ancestor, I'm not bothered either way: don't mind me, I had no intention of interfering, I just thought I'd try to help with some background while I wait for a pal to come over with BEER! He should be here in a mo, so you can relax in the knowledge that I won't be butting in again... ;o) Nortonius (talk) 19:20, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody wrote: "Świętosława (see: Sigrid Storråda)" – but that is not the same person, definitely. Unfortunately this misunderstading has been seen in Polish literature after 2000, which is not any proof. Sigrid was daughter of Skoglar-Toste, and they are know from Snorri Sturluson, while Svietoslawa was daughter of Mieszko and therefore sister to Boleslaw I Crhobry – she was married several times, one of the to Swein Forkbeard. Go to this Danish page www.vikingetidenskonger.dk for more – download the document "Valdemar IIs godser i Swecia". 87.57.198.86 (talk) 20:40, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If one do not know about Cnut or Canute the Great, one knows nothing about English/Danish history. For a start you could consult this book: Bolton: The Empire of Cnut the Great.87.57.198.86 (talk) 20:52, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Świętosława/Sigrid Storråda issue is not a misunderstanding. It is a scholarly theory to explain the inconsistencies regarding the wives of Eric the Victorious and Sweyn Forkbeard. One can certainly disagree with the theory, but one should not do so simply because Snorri says something, because then one must completely disregard what other sources say. However, the main reason that the article tells you to see Sigrid the Haughty is because that's the only article on enwp that covers the issue.
Andejons (talk) 08:06, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What's ment by "parts of Sweden" ?

Article states that Cnut the Great was ruler of "parts of Sweden". Does this reffer to the maps of today or of the time ? Scania, Halland and Blekinge were parts of Denmark until 1658. And Bohuslän belonged to Norway. (followed by three danish recaptions of Scania until 1720) If these provinces is that territory that is reffered to as "parts of Sweden" , then I stronly suggest to erase the "parts of Sweden" part - if it's no other territoriy that the article reffers to. If the the latter is case, then I instead suggest to be more precise. 83.249.42.164 (talk) 16:56, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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