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Euthanasia - for a detailed discussion of ethical and legal issues
Assisted suicide

(as matter of acquiring more complete information, directly.)

The article also lacks the very portal on suicide, see fx. Suicide legislation. This should be amended as soon as possible. Please... 62.16.186.124 (talk) 03:14, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Information as means to suicide prevention

I find that the article is lacking by not mentioning information as means to survival, like the direct survival advise on how to deal with underlying challenges that lead to being suicidal in the first place. Can you add this, please? 62.16.186.124 (talk) 02:49, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I fully support this idea. There is a crucial need to raise awareness as well as to reduce stigma around both suicide and mental health treatment. I've been a volunteer with ASFP and could get a contact send a brief passage we could add here; I also recommend considering the inclusion of this unique initiative: an interactive screening program for college/university students (involving, among others, seven medical schools) and the Physician Depression and Suicide Prevention Project, which works with a range of other groups and professional organizations to address the disproportionately high rates of suicide among physicians and physicians in training. @Doc James : please let me know on my talk page. Ildiko Santana (talk) 06:46, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
With appropriate references we can certainly develop this area more. We currently have a section and entire page on prevention. [1] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 13:21, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Saipan

Both wikipedia pages contradict one another. In the battle of Saipan wiki, it is stated that 1,000 japanese civilians commited suicide. On the suicide page, it is stated that 'over 10,000' civilians commited suicide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.197.244.60 (talk) 20:35, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Film: "Who's Life Is It Anyway?"

This is a major motion picture with Richard Dreyfus and a number of other respected actors, positing a sculptor at the.height of his career rendered quadraplegic as the result of an auto accident. His need for assistance in committing suicide leads to a legal challenge when the medical people around him refuse to assist. I suspect it's more mainstream than any other picture listed here, and does a good job on its rather serious topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IGotBupkis (talk • contribs) 03:55, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Chronic suicidality?

Please refer to the book description here: [2]. That's the only reliable reference where I've seen the term "chronically suicidal patient." But also look here: [3]. That appears to be a discussion forum for the chronically suicidal, and stumbling over that page is what led me to search for the former reference. What I really think we need to do is have a psychiatrist who edits Wikipedia and is recognized as a Wikipedia "staff expert" (yes, I know there is not literally any such thing) wander in here and provide some clarification. Anyone want to help? Guyovski (talk) 04:39, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A new review

[4] Lancet 2012 Doc James (talk · contribs · email)(please leave replies on my talk page) 21:05, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gender dysphoria/transsexualism

I searched the talk archives and didn't find anything on this. Depending on what source you look at, anywhere from 10 to 40% of people with gender dysphoria, transsexualism attempt suicide at some point in their lives. This study by the National Institutes of Health arrived at a 32% figure. Gender dysphoria is a (much) higher risk factor for suicide than anything listed in the article; for example, the article gives the example of 5% of people with schizophrenia dying from suicide. I feel that this risk factor merits inclusion in the article. 32% is a staggering number. Thoughts? MsFionnuala (talk) 14:46, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Classification

Where does a captain going down with his ship or a soldier taking his own life to avoid providing information to the enemy fit? I'd say at least the former is Dutiful and a good example. The later is a gray area but has been reason for the Medal of Honor. 68.74.67.252 (talk) 06:27, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mental health and suicide

There are a number of issues with this edit [5]

Typically we present the results of the most recent meta analysis as fact. ~~The psychological assessments where done before death so I am not sure how "post-mortem psychological assessments" apply~~
The second issue is we do not use primary sources to refute secondary ones per WP:MEDRS. Adding "however, only" is not needed as this is simply a judgement call. Our reader can just look at that number and decide if they think it is high or low. Regardless a secondary source should be found.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your talk page please reply on mine) 16:44, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article in question states its own methodology as "We carried out a review of studies in which psychological autopsy studies of suicide completers were performed." It's not a representative sample of suicides, nor is it intended to be.

I don't see how you can justify extrapolating that particular study to the whole population and baldly presenting it as a fact, especially when there are other, contradictory figures available. Addding "however, only" was only done to highlight the variability of estimates. When you have one set of figures implying nearly 90% of suicides are mentally ill, and another set suggesting it's more like 30%, that's a contrast that bears having attention drawn to it.GideonF (talk) 13:54, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The statement " 27% of suicides in England between 2000 and 2010 had been in contact with mental health services in the year prior to their deaths" is not comparable to the previous one. Therefore we should not used "however". Agree with the first bit. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your talk page please reply on mine) 14:30, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They're not directly comparable, but they're both being used as proxies for the proportion of suicides who have a mental illness, which neither measures directly. One proxy suggests that the number we're actually interested in could be as high as 0.9, the other suggests it could be as low as 0.3. But I'm not married to the "however".GideonF (talk) 14:56, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Use of Word "Commit"

Cryptophreak (talk) 06:33, 20 August 2012 (UTC): The word "commit" as used prominently in the article has a strictly negative connotation and is especially used in connection with crime. Suicide is not a crime in a number of significant jurisdictions including Canada, Ireland, and the Netherlands. It would therefore appear that the article is in error for using the word. Thoughts?[reply]

This is the term I commonly use. What are you proposing be used instead? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 09:12, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Some medical professionals believe this stems from the fact that males are more likely to end their lives through effective violent means, while women primarily use less severe methods such as overdosing on medications.

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Some medical professionals^[who?] believe this stems from the fact that males are more likely to end their lives through effective violent means, while women primarily use less severe methods such as overdosing on medications. 71.235.54.248 (talk) 11:00, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 14:32, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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He was injured in 2008 with a Cair to the head — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.111.86.143 (talk) 11:46, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Typo in Risk Factors

On the first line: "A review found that 87% of persons committing suicide where diagnosable with a mental disorder..." should be were instead of where. 74.132.249.206 (talk) 09:55, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Typo in Risk Factors

On the first line: "A review found that 87% of persons committing suicide where diagnosable with a mental disorder..." should be were instead of where. 74.132.249.206 (talk) 09:55, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]