Talk:Sridevi

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Could someone verify the "Steven Spielberg" assertion in this article please, and if this is not possible, then may I suggest that it be removed. Splashprince 07:17, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know how reliable IMDB biographies are, but take a look at http://university.imdb.com/name/nm0004437/bio -- Arvind 14:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, Arvind. I think perhaps we should cite that IMDB website where that statement appears in the Sri Devi Wiki. However, I feel it is best to remove that statement altogether. Note that it mentions that she is the only Bollywood/Indian star who has been approached by Spielberg (Spielberg is misspelled in the Wiki). This is not verified by the IMDB source. Splashprince 13:38, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

actor/producer

it is written that her occupation is actor. but she has retired as an actor. another thing: isn't she today working as a producer along with her husband? sridevi productions (incl. shakti etc.) --Dhirad 10:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• Nothing on her brief stint of a marriage with Mithun Chakraborty? That marriage makes her a part of the Ganguly Family Connection, no? ~ Aditya Kabir 17:45, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I had read somewhere she was married to Mithun. On IMDB it says so too. Shakirfan 00:19, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

She was introduced in a tamil movie Kandhan Karunai as an 8 year old. That was her first film. She became popular in the South with her big hit 16 vayadinile (she was 17 or 18 at that time), there are many references in old magazines, I will try to fish out some. Anyhow, she was either born in the late 50s or 1960 at the latest, no later than that. Yes, she was married to mithun chakraborty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manukarnika (talk • contribs) 16:58, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Sridevi has not retired from movies. She is got married in 1997 and devoted her time to her family and to raise her two children. She remained away from films for 15 years and next month her movie is releasing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShayanPune (talk • contribs) 15:53, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Major rewrite

Someone had filled the article with fangush emphasizing her work in South Indian movies. I removed most of that material, and reformatted the South Indian filmographies. They need dates, and to be re-organized by date. I removed all the material re her co-stars. This article is about her, not about Kamal Hassan, etc. I also re-added the Mithun Chakravorty marriage, though I think we need some good sources for this. All I could find was a Telegraph India gossip column, and the trivia on IMDB. That's user-contributed, so not very reliable. Zora 20:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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This is ridiculous -- Sridevi acted in South Indian films from the time she was 10 years old till she was 25.. her best acting efforts were in South Indian films. Her Hindi film career, while certainly distinguished, is no comparison with her performance in South Indian films - either in range or in enabling her to show her acting talent. Please take the time to see some of her classic movies from earlier times before making comments. Also, I had the actor names next to these movies to show who her co-stars were, no intention to minimize her importance.

It's your personal opinion that her best efforts were in South Indian films. If you want to include more about her South Indian film career, then get us quotes from reputable critics and reliable sources. But -- I'm afraid that South Indian films just haven't had the world-wide visibility of Bollywood films. The English-speaking people reading the Sri Devi article are much more likely to have seen her in Lamhe or Mr. India than in a Tamil or Telegu film. So I think the Bollywood stuff should come first, by WP rules for notability. However -- if you can get quotes, or box-office figures, that would indicate which of her South Indian films were the most popular or got the best reviews from critics, then those would be a good addition to the article, as it might tempt Sridevi's Bollywood fans to look outside Bollywood. What was there was just a list of films, not readable and not enticing.

If you want to talk about who appeared in the film with her, then write articles about those films. It's not clear to me that her co-stars are in any way relevant to HER. (More South Indian film articles would actually be a good idea!)

We really can't have a career section that consists solely of "She appeared in X with Y and she was stupendously great in X. Then she appeared in Z with A, and she was amazingly good." There's no point in having a "career" section that merely repeats the filmography, with added star worship. There should be some analysis or narrative involved -- from notable critics, if possible.

It would also be a good idea to re-order all the South Indian films by date, rather than alphabetically. That gives a much better idea of her career. If you can find the info, box office figures for each film would be a useful addition. We aren't doing that now, but it would be so much more accurate than saying that something was a "hit" or a "flop" without any evidence given.

I'm sorry if your introduction to WP consists of having much of your work deleted -- however, I'm sure that with a little extra work, in terms of getting quotes and such, a lot can be restored. Zora 04:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

There is a lot of information about these South Indian movies of Sridevi. I will update once I gather it. I don't think Wikipedia's intention is to be "friendly" to a Western audience. The intention is to accurately reflect information. From that viewpoint, the substantial career that Sridevi had in South Indian movies, where she is still remembered as the most important actress of the the 1970s and 1980s needs to be correctly represented. Just because you are ignorant of south Indian movies, is not a good reason to misrepresent the artiste's career. - SudhirFX.

It's not just the "Western" world -- it's Bollywood that's popular in Russia, Japan, the Middle East, Europe, etc. South Indian movies just haven't traveled as far. You are probably right that there are gems of South Indian films that would be loved if known. However, your presentation was not such as to encourage people to find them!

I think it would help readers to visualize her work if you could dig up some information on just how she managed to appear in so many films. What was her filming schedule like? How much traveling did she do? Where did she live before she married and left the film world? Also, where do she and her husband live now ... Mumbai? Where in Mumbai? Can we get a picture of her house? Some information on her work as a child artiste would be nice too. How did she get into films if her father was a lawyer? Usually child artistes are recruited from film families. Human touches like that would make the article come alive. Just be sure to have good sources for anything you find. Zora 09:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

True, Bollywood is more popular than South Indian movies, but that is not the issue we are debating. The question is one of accurate representation of the career. Moreover, you already deleted one biographical truth that I had put in there. Her mother was an actress in Telugu movies - that is how she started in movies. SudhirFX.

Unmarked reversions

I pruned the career section until the South Indian section was the same size as the Bollywood section. I did so mainly by removing lists of films (that's covered in the filmography) and removing lists of co-stars. Why should anyone care about who appeared in a movie with Sridevi? This article is about her, not about male South Indian stars.

I also put all the filmographies into the proper format. Someone reverted to the older version without marking it as a reversion. That lost a lot of work, some of which was completely uncontroversial, and restored a version of the article in which the South Indian sections were too large and completely unreadable.

Lists are unreadable. That's why we have filmographies, or put lists in bullets. Editors, please consider that we are writing to be read. Write something of publishable quality, something that doesn't bore readers and cause them to just bail out of the article. Zora 23:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Important information deleted by Zora

I think many readers (including myself) like to know for example who are the directors who played an influential role in bringing forth her career, who were the co-stars (often even to check out videos or DVDs it is good to know the co-stars - sometimes they list only actor not actress names). Her South Indian career was much longer, involved more movies than her North Indian career - so it is quite natural that her South Indian career should be given a greater length.

The text deleted by User:Zora was this:

Many of her Malayalam movies were directed by I. V. Sasi. Some examples of her notable Malayalam movies are: Aadhyapaadam, Aalinganam, Kuttavum Sikshaiyum, Aa Nimisham. In 1976, she got her first big break in Tamil movies as a heroine in K. Balachander's Moondru Mudichu, where she starred opposite both Kamal Haasan and Rajnikanth. In many ways, this movie was a landmark in Tamil filmdom. It was also one of Rajnikanth's first major movies. After Moondru Mudichu, Sridevi had a succession of huge hits with both these Tamil superstars. With Kamal Haasan, she acted in movies such as Guru, Sankarlal,Sigappu Rojakkal,Thaayillamal Naanillai, Meendum Kokila, Vaazhve Maayam, Varumaiyin Niram Sigappu, Neela Malargal,Moondram Pirai,16 Vayathinile. With Rajnikanth, she acted in movies such as Dharmayuddham, Priya, Pokkiri Raja, Tucker Raja, Adutha Varisu, Nan Adimai Illai, etc. She was the number one actress in Tamil during the period 1975-85.

And I understand the problem:

1. Some examples of her notable Malayalam movies are: What makes them notable? If no source of a reputed critic of a major newpaper is provided, this is completely POV.
2. In many ways, this movie was a landmark in Tamil filmdom. Why? See above.
3. It was also one of Rajnikanth's first major movies. Does not belong into Sridevi's article.
4. both these Tamil superstars. Pov.
5. With Kamal Haasan, she acted in movies such as Guru, Sankarlal,Sigappu Rojakkal,Thaayillamal Naanillai, Meendum Kokila, Vaazhve Maayam, Varumaiyin Niram Sigappu, Neela Malargal,Moondram Pirai,16 Vayathinile. With Rajnikanth, she acted in movies such as Dharmayuddham, Priya, Pokkiri Raja, Tucker Raja, Adutha Varisu, Nan Adimai Illai, etc. Already mentioned in filmography and in the articles of those movies.
6. She was the number one actress in Tamil during the period 1975-85. POV. Please provide sources for that.

IMHO, the entire paragraph isn't in a very neutral way and not exactly mentionable. Plus, it's unsourced.

Best regards, --Plumcouch ^Talk2Me 00:24, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, Zora has deleted # of days run for various South Indian movies - all of that information was sourced within Wikipedia itself. Earlier he had demanded information on box office records. Also, it is quite fair to talk about which movies of hers are important and calling out her co-stars. Moondru Mudichu launched 2 major careers in Tamil movies - that of Sridevi and Rajnikanth - as such it is worth mentioning it. You guys seem to want to avoid mentioning any other stars or directors in her page. That attitude is ridiculous. It is worth knowing for example that I. V. Sasi directed almost all her initial movies as a heroine in Malayalam movies. It is also an interesting fact that many of here Telugu movies and initial Hindi movies were directed by K. Raghavendra Rao. All that information is lost by Zora's deletions.

Zora has also deleted links within Wikipedia that appear to have been added to south Indian movies in the list by various people. I browsed through several other actor's pages in Wikipedia, and found that mentioning directors who influenced their career, listing their costars are all normal. In reply to Plumcouch's issue:

1. With Kamal Haasan, she acted in movies such as Guru, Sankarlal,Sigappu Rojakkal,Thaayillamal Naanillai, Meendum Kokila, Vaazhve Maayam, Varumaiyin Niram Sigappu, Neela Malargal,Moondram Pirai,16 Vayathinile. With Rajnikanth, she acted in movies such as Dharmayuddham, Priya, Pokkiri Raja, Tucker Raja, Adutha Varisu, Nan Adimai Illai, etc. Already mentioned in filmography and in the articles of those movies.

While those movies are listed in the filmography, the co-stars aren't. It is worth calling out these blockbusters in a summary, just like you guys have called out Lamhe, Judai etc. Where is the proof that Judai was a big hit? It seems that your standards of proof for South Indian movies are higher than for North Indian movies.

It is OK for you guys to spend paragraphs on rumors related to Mithun etc. whereas we can't mention who she acted with (facts). If this continues, I suggest that we have separate pages for Sridevi's south Indian and north Indian movies. It looks like you guys want to think that she is like Hema Malini, Vyjayanthimala etc - other south Indian stars who had primarily Hindi careers. That is not the case with Sridevi. Hindi came at the tail end of a distinguished career in South India in Sridevi's case. Face it, guys. {SudhirFX 01:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)}

Who appeared in her movies with her belongs in articles for the movies, not in her article. Male stars don't cast any reflected glory on her. Put some of this energy into making articles for her movies. Instead of just claiming that her career was superrrific, how about some quotes?

Put the darn filmography into a table -- I've been too busy to do it, add a column for days that the movie ran and/or gross receipts. Some perspective added near the table might be a good idea, as establishing whether or not a film could be considered to have done well. All the days, and the figures, should have references! Actually it would be a good idea to do this for all films -- add as much financial information as possible, instead of saying HIT or FLOP, as all too many editors do. The lack of references, lack of context, and the spottiness of the info was what led me to remove the days run thing. Non-Southies have no idea whether or not X day's run is a good thing.

It might also be a good idea to write an article on the finances of South Indian films. From what I've read, nobody really knows. The producers cry poor to the tax collector and boast of big receipts when they think it helps. Stars don't get fixed salaries, they get shares of the receipts. At least that's what I've read. If you can get referenced info on all of that, it would help a lot. Hey, and a comment on Bollywood and Bengali finances would be great too!

Sure, I'm more familiar with Bollywood films than I am with South Indian films. But that's the state of the world. Bollywood is just plain bigger, however much you hate it. The one Indian store in Honolulu that rents Indian videos is 80% Bollywood films, because that's the market. (And it's not because the proprietors are from the north; they're from Fiji!) If you want to change that, you're going to have to do some outreach, some explaining, some research, and some writing that makes people want to read it. You can help make an audience for your star by making people want to watch her films. The text that you keep restoring doesn't do that. Zora 10:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Move page

I think this page should belong at Sridevi. That is by far her most popular name. A quick google test shows around 1000 results for Sridevi Kapoor vs 388000 results for just Sridevi. For anyone who objects to the move, please discuss here. I will wait for around 3 days before moving the page. - Aksi_great (talk) 06:56, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Sridevi is Not Telugu, but born to Tamil Father and Devadasi brought from Andhra

sridevi is a telugu woman..dont know why user:Shshshsh says she is tamil? ... sources - http://www.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19971124/32850403.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.136.61 (talk) 21:56, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

in the above website sridevi says "I am a telugu girl" "Nenu mee Telugu Ammayini". which indicates her as telugu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.136.61 (talk) 22:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

she belongs to kamma caste (telugu speakers) .. source - http://www.kammavelugu.org/kother_t_setters.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.136.61 (talk) 22:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

more sources - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Regional-Stars/Kollywood-ho/articleshow/4355160.cms —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.136.61 (talk) 22:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

The first source does not say she's Telugu at all. It says she was in some show calling out "I'm a Telugu Girl". The second one does not even imply that.

You better think logically, she was born in Tamil Nadu, so what was her mother tongue? Here you have a source in which she clearly states what her mother tongue is. Shahid • ^Talk2me 08:32, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, mine first source is valid one... it is not someone who calling her as telugu, infact it is she only calling her as telugu . btw born in tamilnadu don't make one tamil. there are many persons in tamilnadu who are not tamil. didn't you see the timesofindia source(third one), it clearly mention her as telugu-speaker. this is a serious one, mine TOI source says she is a teluguspeaker, your TOI source says her mother tongue is a Tamil, i really don't know which one to believe. FYI, she belongs to Kamma (caste) , Kamma's mother tongue is a Telugu, so logically she must be a telugu only. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.143.161 (talk) 09:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, there's nothing to doubt. She is indeed a Telugu speaker. Nobody said she was a native one. Her native language is Tamil. Shahid • ^Talk2me 10:04, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Like hundreds and thousands of Telugu people domiciled in Tamil areas since Vijayanagar times (1400 AD), Sridevi belongs to Telugu Kammavar Naidu ancestry. Many Telugu castes of TN speak Telugu at home but keep silent about that fact outside their home because of obvious reasons. Telugu people in general are diffident about their language when they live in other areas/countries. Social factors such as matrimonial alliances give away the identity of the people. For example, see matrimonial advertisements in Telugu/Tamil papers. People of all Telugu castes of TN hint at their ancestry. Kumarrao (talk) 10:12, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Well your statement contradicts sources. Shahid • ^Talk2me 10:45, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Sridevi is of telugu origin but i am not sure about Kamma origin. There are two Sridevi's in Telugu Movie industry and I am sure I read the junior Sridevi (5 years back actress) was Kamma but nothing on this Sridevi. I also read and heard this Sridevi has somewhat of a strange background. I read somewhere that she and her mother ran away from somewhere near Vijayawada and ended up in Madras. Her mother didnt have a good history but eventually led to marrying the Tamilian. That Ayapan father is actually her adopted father. This is actually inside info from thriving actor/actress families at the time who encouraged her to pursue acting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.195.193.167 (talk) 21:06, 22 December 2009 (UTC) Second Sridevi (younger one) is half Tamilian. The older one is simply denying her roots like other Telugu origin people possibly she in getting some benefits in Tamil Nadu saying that she is Tamil which is the sad truth in Tamil Nadu even today. Only way you know what a person's mother tongue is in Tamil Nadu is what they talk at home or with other people with the same mother tongue. Perhaps in a few years we'll hear Rajikanth say that his mother tongue is Tamil??

Please be aware that anyone acting in Telugu movies use to call them Telegu because they act with NT Rama rao who was chief minister those days. Please be aware even Vijayshanthi, sidharth who are all pure Tamilians calling themselves Telenganites and telugus to just run movies. I donot want to conclude Sridevi as tamil or telugu, but unless she says it in open we cannot believe these cinema news in any media.

Vijayashanthi is of course, Telugu girl. There is no question about it. She never claims herself being Tamilian, she now represents as MP of Telangana Region.

As far as Sridevi is concerned, her father is Tamil and mother is Telugu. In her interview to Sakshi Telugu News Paper on September 2nd, she mentioned it at least on 4-5 occasions that she is Telugu and her daughters even speak her mother tongue Telugu. Source: http://epaper.sakshi.com/apnews/Hyderabad-Main_Edition/02092012/7 -- Manoj — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.52.254.239 (talk) 17:06, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Recent revision

I've tried to proof-read and clean-up to make it all flow with more ease and coherence. A few judgment calls had to be done, but I still believe there are no causes for a major upset.
-- Howdoesitflee (talk) 19:35, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

About the numerous lists in the "Career" section

Like others in this "Discussion" page, I feel that having these long lists of "In the 80's she did this and that..." should be kept to a strict minimum (or even abolished), yet I've refrained from deleting them outright as I think it ought to be... well... formally discussed.

My proposition is that only the few (3-5) notable (i.e. critically-acclaimed and/or immensely-popular) performances should be mentioned; for the rest, we could just write something like: "Among her many regular collaborators in the course of her prolific and extensive career, she has worked extensively with [insert actor and directors]." So, what do you think?
-- Howdoesitflee (talk) 19:35, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Filmography

Since the lists are ridiculously long, I opted to divide them in columns of three; of course, that can be modified quite easily. You'll notice the positions of the subsections were interchanged: I simply organized them by the year of the first film made in that language. Oh, and can someone please add the missing years next to the Tamil movies in need of one?
-- Howdoesitflee (talk) 19:35, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm kindly asking neophytes like, say, Mr. or Mrs. 117.199.7.213 not to screw around with the columns formatting unless they know what they're doing. And, for God's sake, the "Preview" button is there for a reason!
• H☼ωdΘesI†fl∉∈ ^{KLAT} • 17:58, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Explanation of "negative role"

It is common in Indian cinema to refer to some actor or actress as being cast in a "negative role". It doesn't necessarily mean a villain per se; in generally refers to an antagonistic role to the "hero", "heroine" or "heroes" of the movie. Hope that answers some questions and clarifies some assumptions.
-- Howdoesitflee (talk) 19:35, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Temporary semi-protection

I've just requested that a temporary semi-protection be put in place on the article due to the numerous disruptive edits made by anonymous IP users in the last 10 days. The fact that we've had to revert to previous versions of the article often this month was enough for me to prompt the request. If you agree or disagree, speak up and be heard!
• H☼ωdΘesI†fl∉∈ ^{KLAT} • 20:49, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

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SUGGESTIONS ABOUT HER HINDI CAREER

MR. INDIA: We must add a few more lines about Sridevi's songs in the film and her famous Charlie Chaplin sequence. It is a fact that Hawa Hawai became eponymous with her and she is still called Miss Hawa Hawai to day. Also Kaate Nahin Katte keep topping the charts of the sexiest songs of Bollywood even today. It's also a fact that her Chaplin rip-off established her sharp comic timing in the industry. Also a fact that viewers said that the film should have been called Miss India instead of Mr. India.

CHANDNI: We must add that Chandni was a blockbuster hit that ended Yash Chopra's lean phase. Also Sridevi gave playback to the super-hit title track and started a trend. It is also a fact that her look in the film became a fashion rage all over North India as the 'Chandni Look'.

LAMHE: It's a fact that the film was a huge blockbuster in the foreign market and even today remains one of the biggest overseas hits.

KHUDA GAWAH: The film was a huge hit in Afghanistan where 90% of the film was shot.

SRIDEVI'S PLACE IN HINDI CINEMA: She was the first actress to be called the 'First Female Superstar' of Bollywood. When she retired, Stardust called her the Last Empress. She was the only actress who was called the Female Bachchan of the industry. According to Limca book of Records, she was the highest paid actress of her time and the first to charge 1 crore for a film. She also popularised the 'switch-on switch off' technique of acting. It's a fact that Sridevi was No.1 for more than a decade which is the longest for any actress in Bollywood till date. She is also the only actress who was on top simultaneously in Hindi, Tamil and Telugu cinema. Her songs and dances have had a huge cultural impact.

SPIELBERG OFFER: This fact is missing from the bio. I have a 94' Stardust where an article on Sri mentions how she made a mistake by refusing Jurassic Park. In a 93' Filmfare interview, Khalid Mohammed the editor also asked her why she refused Spielberg and she replied that she had too much workload in India and no time for a US project.

QUOTES BY OTHERS ON SRIDEVI

QUOTES BY EMINENT FILM PEOPLE:

AMITABH: I had seen Sridevi in one song in Roop Ki Rani Choron Ka Raja and sent her flowers. (Filmfare, March, 2001).

AMRITA SINGH: Except for Sridevi all the other heroines including myself can be slotted together. I'm afraid it is reality and its time we face reality. I'm sorry but I'm speaking the truth. Today most producers are proposal makers and most heroines are interchangeable. Sridevi is the only heroine who makes a difference in the selling price of a film.. Sridevi is there for keeps. Take it or leave it. She is like Rajiv Gandhi and the rest of us heroines are like the cabinet ministers. (Showtime, Jan, 1989)

ANIL KAPOOR: Sridevi is India's Charlie Chaplin.

HARMESH MALHOTRA (Nagina Director): Sridevi is a wonder. Today you can call her the female Amitabh Bachchan of the industry. Among heroines even Hema Malini cannot be compared to her. . Sridevi is a director's delight. She always gives you more than what you expect from her. (Showtime, Jan, 1990)

KARISMA KAPOOR: I've always dreamt that one day film-makers would be writing roles for me like they did for Sridevi. (Filmfare,March,2001).

KHALID MOHAMMED (Editor, Filmfare) Sridevi is an all rounder, she is unarguably the best No.1 actress we've ever known. Hema Malini & Rekha just didn't have the same snap and crackle, the electricity. Mumtaz was pretty, perky, yes but Sridevi's zoomed league ahead. Sridevi can dance, act , she has charisma, oomph, energy. No actress can combine all these elements. Not surprisingly she doesn't have a competitor of equal merit. Put them on the screen with her and they'll look like her hand maidens. (Filmfare, Aug, 1990)

YASH CHOPRA: Sridevi can only move up. She has gone beyond the number game. She has achieved what only a few can. Putting her in a five star hotel, paying for air fare and other expenses is a package deal when you sign Sridevi. There is nothing surprising about it. Filmmakers know she's worth every penny they pay her, that is why they sign her. (Star & Style, July, 1991) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SatyarthPnayak (talk • contribs) 08:54, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 October 2012

The hyper-link to Nagini (the movie) in fact links up to Nagini (the town). Please fix up.

203.41.179.162 (talk) 06:08, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 October 2012

The hyper-link to Nagini (the movie) in fact links up to Nagini (the town). Please fix up.

203.41.179.162 (talk) 06:08, 15 October 2012 (UTC)