Talk:European Canadians

Move to Wiktionary

I've tagged this article for a move to Wiktionary. This is not an article about Euro-Canadians, just a definition of the word. The references appear to be examples of its use, constituting original research in primary sources, and not secondary sources about Euro-Canadians. —Michael Z. 2008-11-05 21:36 z

Oppose moving to Wiktionary as this is a subgroup of Canadian people, the same as Indo-Canadians, Asian Canadians, and Latin American Canadians. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Support B*****r that, Sosiestep. It's a term for a subgroup pushed by a certain faction of the polity/academica, and is not in widespread use; see next section. Also some citations do not even mention the term, they only talk about its composition as if the source were using the term - which is dishonest. Keep your racist subgroupings to yourself, and if you hadn't noticed there's also this other term European-Canadian that is also mis-used (i.e. to include Britons and white Americans and Canadians - but not white Latin Americans, interestingly, or white Africans). Neither term is really acceptable and both are POV and also euphemisms for "white" (clearly a racist term if "black", "yellow" and "brown" are, no?). This is only for Wiktionary, it has no use in Wikipedia and this term should NOT be used in definitions and leads, as you have just done (and I have just reversed) in Canadians of German descent and Canadians of Norwegian descent. I am one of the latter, and I reject your imposition of this term on my "subgroup".Skookum1 (talk) 06:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

This is a term, not a subgroup (POV discussion)

I find this term extremely POV and historically inaccurate, and is misrepresented as if it were a term in wide use, wehn it's nothing of hte kind and many members of teh group targeted by it 0 it's a pastiche of teh similarly-POV "Euro-American" - do not like it, or do not know of it. It is not an official term in any way, though its use is being promoted/substituted by ideologically-driven agendas in which "all white people are the same" and which remove any notion of the true diversity of Canada's "white" population. As a Canadian of Norwegian descent (and the grandson of a director of Scandinavian immigration) I find the term offensive and unsuitable and concocted by those from othe gropus seeking to generalize and stereotype. That many of these happen to be political and ethnic activists and "politically fashionable academics" only makes my point that their use and promotion of this term is POV all the more pertinent. It is not a useful term, not a iwdespread one, and it should not be uwed in Wikipedia as a standard, i.e. in teh way it was just subbed into the leads of Canadians of German descent and Canadians of Norwegian descent and no doubt others. I find its use in this mannaer, especially when European Canadian is also in circualation (though similarly used in historically useless and politically-suspect ways). This article should be reworded to say that "this is a term for the subgroup...." NOT "this is a subgeroup. As a member of that subgroup, I dispute that that is the case and those who wish to classify me and mine according to their own racist paradigms should be content with teh langauge as it is, not as they would like to see it re-invented to suit their own biases and perceptions (see Newspeak). "Selling" the term by such misleading citations as the following is another demonstration of the suepct nature of this agenda:

Statistics Canada breaks down Euro-Canadian ethnic origins into several subcatagories: British Isles, French, Western European, Northern European, Eastern European, Southern European, and Other European (Basque, Gypsy/Roma, Jewish, Slav).[8]

Statistics Canada makes no such definition of "Euro-Canadian". Not on any census table or census form I've ever seen. I have seen it in a lot of ideologically-driven and politically self-conscious academic and ethnic politics writign, though. It's POV and that's all there is to it. I suspect an inspection of the other citations will not turn up actual usage of this term except in POV-type documents of one kidn or another; native-politics nte4spapers, sociological tracts and the like; it's not in common circulation, I repeat, and is either unknown to or rejected by those it is designed to apply to. There's already other words for "us"...the lengths people will go not to say "white" huh? Still just racism, only in the other direction......Skookum1 (talk) 06:47, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

1. The title and content of this article were not meant to be pejorative or inaccurate. I apologize for not knowing about the perceptions noted above.
2. I've re-edited the article and others can make other improvements.
3. I'll leave a message at Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board/Style guide for assistance with naming convention as I'm unclear what's best and alternative title possibilities abound. Statistics Canada uses the term "European origins", so "Canadians of European origins" is a suggestion. Sources in this article used "Euro-Canadian" or "Canadians of European descent". Articles regarding Canadians of European country-specific origins don't follow a specific naming convention (see English Canadian, Italian Canadians, Canadians of Danish descent, Canadians of Finnish ancestry, Canadians of German ethnicity, and Russians in Canada). Articles regarding Canadians from other continents also lack a standard naming convention (see Indo-Canadians, Asian Canadian, etc.). --Rosiestep (talk) 20:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

requested move to proper term

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved per request. - GTBacchus^(talk) 08:19, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

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Euro-Canadian → European Canadian —

• European Canadian is the more common usage, any cites that use "Euro-Canadian" are affecting a post-modern p.c. usage that was imposed by academic/political fiat and which few people of any of these origins would identify with. Most common usage should apply, as should the reality that "European Canadian" is not a neologism, while "Euro-Canadian" very much is, and also has p.c. origins (i.e. POV origins).}}Skookum1 (talk) 21:11, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Support - infact i redirected European Canadian to Euro-Canadian and not Canadians my fault there did not see "Euro-Canadian" article when i did this.Moxy (talk) 21:15, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Population of Euro-Canadians

If European Canadians constitute 80 percent of Canada's population, shouldnt the number be less than 31 million?

lol, uh, Turks and Armenians are not Europeans...

not geographically, and not ethnically.

they are Caucasians racially, but that's not the same thing as being an ethnic European.

remove them please

--Savakk (talk) 01:18, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

lolz back at you. Turkey is partially in Europe. (see List of transcontinental countries). Armenia is generally concidered to be culturally european - its a member of the council of europe for example. Outback the koala (talk) 03:23, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Turkey is partially in Europe because the Ottoman Empire invaded and occupied Greece..

Turks come from Central Asia, not Europe, what do you not get about that?

they are Muslims, not Christians, they speak a Turkic language.

Turks are not European, not European ethnically, culturally or religiously.

and who considers Armenia to be culturally European, you ?

they are surely similar in culture to parts of Russia and the Caucasus, but Russia is not usually called culturally European.

the council of Europe is an international organization with Turkic members like Turkey and Azerbaijan, it has nothing to do with a representation of a nation's ethnicity and culture.

now at this point, I am going to assume you must be either Armenian or Turkish yourself.

--Savakk (talk) 21:41, 11 November 2012 (UTC)