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Replacement of image
I removed the image thumb|250px|Dolly Parton in 1987. It's a nice image but it was inserted in place of a public domain image. PD images should always be the aim where possible, and for a contemporary celebrity they are so hard to get, (for some people near impossible). If we are lucky enough to get one, it should be the one that we keep above all else. Delete anything else, but not a PD image. I've seen better and more flattering photographs of Dolly Parton, but that is not the point. It's a photograph which we are free to use, and so we should.
The image of Parton in Christmas attire from IMDB - the copyright issue there is considerably more difficult. Follow the link from IMDB and it takes you to MPTV, the actual source of the image, and which has a very stringent copyright policy - ie they say in very clear language that their images are not to be used for any purpose other than what they have given permission for. They do not give any more permission than to download low quality copies for personal use only, and expressly forbid their images to be published. They also make it clear that while they represent the use and licensing of the image, they don't claim to necessarily own the copyright. They don't offer any provision for "fair use". How muddy is that? The image should be deleted. Rossrs 13:27, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
- When I saw the SNL jpg (here), I simply had to add some relevant content referring to Dolly's own humor about her "body-type," but there's no info about the rationale of "fair-use" associated with the image, as far as I can tell. The tag used says "Note: Please do not use this tag." I couldn't find the origin of this picture. I left a note on the originator's talk page to see if they would like to fix it, but anyone is naturally welcome to fix the tag and add a rationale. (I feel it may be a little beyond my own noobishness, though I'm learning to be bold). Durty Willy 03:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- I'm really pretty sure that it was from the NBC press website, which used to be semi-public. -- user:zanimum
Dolly's mother's name
I changed the name Alvey Lee Owens to Avie Lee Owens because I know this to be true.
I agree. I found three memorials for her on findagrave.com, all in agreement on the name. The Social Security Death Index has her in there as Avielee Parton, but I have seen that source botch names on local people, including an aunt. However, their dates of birth and death I have found accurate in my own genealogy searches. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.254.12.212 (talk) 04:16, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Cousin?
Anybody have a source for the claim that some pornstar is Parton's cousin? This seems pretty suspicious to me; an effort to capitalize indirectly on a s*x symbol who never did X-rated stuff. --Saforrest 23:16, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Birthday
Dolly Parton was definetly not 1916. I looked it up on other sources, she was born in 1946. Don't know the day, it could be the same. I blame it on a typo on the writer's part. Not a biggie, I changed it.
EDIT: chaged before I could even do it. How about that. :-P UMMM: Is the woman dead yet???????????????????????????????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.173.97 (talk) 15:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Dolly was born january nineteenth, 1946 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.82.253.148 (talk) 13:22, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Husband
I'm new to this so bear with me, however: No mention of her marriage? This is an impartial encyclopedia, and she is married but NO mention is made of that? Mhathaway4 (talk) 14:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
"According to Parton, he has only ever seen her perform once." On Huckabee's show of 4/14/12 she says that this was true a long time ago but not now, if anyone wants to correct it.
Dispute?
This article contains two particularly glaring passages without reference, to wit:
- "Her extramarital relationships have been the subject of tabloid speculation for decades..."
- "(Parton is famous for her ample bust, now augmented by breast implants.)"
I'd like to see these rewritten, cited or removed; otherwise, I'll be adding a {{disputed}} tag. Thanks. :) RadioKirk talk to me 18:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- I think I most recently edited the article....I was trying to cut judiciously (this article is loooong!) but I agree these don't have any definitive support. I'm going to remove - and anyone re-adding can cite. NickBurns 23:40, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed, thanks! :) RadioKirk talk to me 03:34, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Dolly was born on January 19, 1946.
- Ok, i know this isnt the right categorie to talk about this in, but who took doen all the infor i had put up about Dolly's new album, cause now there is no info on it!
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuckertough (talk • contribs) 20:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Read the edit history
Actually, I just read what you wrote Tuckertough. Maybe you shouldn't bother adding anything if English is your second language. Honestly, it made no sense what so ever.
Composer?
It strikes me as redundant to decribe Parton as a songwriter and a composer in the introduction -- doubtless one of her main claims to fame is as a songwriter so that should be in there, but why have a separate listing for composer as well? Has she written any music that isn't in song form? Gusworld 08:57, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- Composer creates the music itself while a songwriter writes the lyrics. TJ Spyke 01:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, a lyricist writes the lyrics. A songwriter writes songs, which include both lyrics and music, and generally the term indicates both. Hyacinth 08:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Dolly parton wrote the words and music for a lot of her songs
Deleted huge POV paragraph
A paragraph related around the claim Parton was one of the "few country artists to have a diverse fan base from all walks of life". This is blatant POV. For this to be fact, rather than an opinion, the many millions and millions of country music fans all around the world would have to be from the same walk of life. They are not all Texas Cowboys who like drinking in honky tonks by any stretch of the imagination! 74.65.39.59 02:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
LOL someone put owner of big tits! lol im gonna fix that in my registered account- Paulm27
Unsourced quotes
I deleted a bunch of quotes from the Image section per WP:BLP as they were uncited. I don't think they were bad faith, but quotes like "I wanted to look like trash!" need to be sourced or could be construed as libel. If you can cite them, please revert me! GertrudeTheTramp 06:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
- Parton has spoken on several occassions about pointing out a beautiful woman that she wished to look like. Parton's mother called the beautiful woman "trash" and so Parton's famous response was "I want to look like trash!" - the only problem being finding an original and credible source. It was shown on the Biography channel but I can find no worded copy of the show dedicated to her, nor a copy from a valid non-fan based site.
- This page is also missing perhaps the most quoted saying of Parton's:
“ | “The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain!” | ” |
- The above has been quoted in numerous programmes (such as The Office), books and (less importantly) even appears as an inspirational "saying of the day" in jounrals (mine being one of them). Could we include this somewhere in the article? SKC
In Section 10 Philanthropic efforts
I changed the upcoming hospital location to Sevierville, as this is where the hospital will actually be built. (I live in Sevier County and drive by the site just about every day).
Godmother?
In the Hannah Montana episode she was the godmother, but is it true she is in real life? --LifeloverElena 19:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
yes she is
Response: When this question first came about, I was hard pressed to locate published confirmation of this claim. However, I have added to the Wikipedia entry a link to the podcast of a radio interview she did with a Chicago station in November 2007 in which she confirmed on the air that she is, in fact, Miley Cyrus' godmother in real life and she calls her "Aunt Dolly" in real life as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.227.7.68 (talk) 05:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
List of songs Dolly Parton wrote
This is what I was looking for coming here and was very disappointed. Hope someone can update this soon! 202.89.159.244 10:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
allmusic.com plagiarism of Wikipedia
FYI, a good bit of the "Music Career" section is matches almost verbatim from Allmusic.com: http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:wiftxql5ldde~T1 (note: Allmusic probably "borrowed" this from Wikipedia")
For example, from Allmusic:
By 1970, both Parton and Wagoner had grown frustrated by her lack of solo success, and Porter had her sing Jimmie Rodgers' "Mule Skinner Blues (Blue Yodel No. 8)," a gimmick that worked. The record shot to number three on the charts, followed closely by her first number one single, "Joshua."
from the article:
By 1970, both Parton and Wagoner had grown frustrated by her lack of solo success, and Porter had her sing Jimmie Rodgers' "Mule Skinner Blues," a gimmick that worked. The record shot to number three on the charts, followed closely by her first number one single, "Joshua." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dartmjb (talk • contribs) 14:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
To dolly my name is Jade i'm 9 years old my fav song of yours is Jolene well bye nice to talk to you
Love Jade —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.104.167 (talk) 10:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Copyvio
As given above, the whole music career section was verbatim from allmusic.com, it all came in in this and the following edits and was subsequently copyedited by dozens of user users. I took the liberty to cut out the whole section. --Janneman (talk) 00:58, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Specious claim
"The association of breasts with Parton's public image is illustrated in the naming of Dolly the sheep after her, since the sheep was cloned from part of a mammary gland.[12]". This sentence is referenced, but in a misleading way. There is nothing in the reference provided to suggest that Dolly the sheep was named after Dolly Parton. The reference claims only that Dolly the sheep was cloned from "an udder cell". The author has offered an explanation for the sheep being named Dolly and is giving it respectability by sticking a reference near it!!!72.90.243.147 (talk) 19:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
- I agree absolutely. The stated reference made no mention of udder material being used for cloning or any other explanation of why the sheep was called Dolly. I have seached for other confirmations and can find none. I have deleted the statement from the entry and it should only be replaced if proper reference can be made. I suspect this is either vandalism or innocent urban legend. 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 20:50, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
- To Mercury McKinnon
- You have reverted my deletion of the 'Dolly the Sheep' statement. Did you read the justification for my deletion at Dolly Parton:Talk first? I did not delete the paragraph lightly and without due consideration. The quoted reference supporting the sheep assertion made no mention whatsoever about the sheep being named after Dolly Parton. I hunted the web extensively and could find not a single hint that substantiated the claim. In fact one newspaper article at the time stated that the scientist that led the experiment named Dolly the Sheep after a favourite Aunt of his. At the talk page I stated that the paragraph should not be replaced unless it could be supported by a valid and verifyable reference, yet you replaced it nevertheless. May I ask why and with what justification? 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 13:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Hi, 21stCenturyGreenstuff. I reverted your deletion for the reason I stated: there was no justification given in the Edit Summary. I did not look in the article Talk because you gave no indication to look there. Please make good use of the Edit Summary; it's a courtesy to other editors, particularly to those who have many articles in their watchlist.
- As to your (and the previous anonymous person's) claim that the cited source made no mention that Dolly the sheep was named after Dolly Parton and thus was a false attribution -- you seem to have missed the following statement in the given source. "Dolly the cloned sheep, named after singer Dolly Parton, was born 10 years ago." It's in the article's accompanying photo caption.
- I am reinstating the statement, again. If you doubt the veracity of the current source, it would be better to instead tag the statement "in need of a better citation". But don't delete the statement saying that it was not properly referenced. Thanks.
- --Mercury McKinnon (talk) 03:53, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- LOL You were too late, it was already back and this time I had added a better and more suitable reference than the one you placed there, the BBC quote (currently Ref 25) actually states that DP was the influence for naming of the sheep 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 10:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- Yup, I was too late to undo your pointless deletion. Your finding another source only underscores how much in the wrong you were. So much for your "I hunted the web extensively and could find not a single hint that substantiated the claim." and "I did not delete the paragraph lightly and without due consideration." :-)
- And, please don't make more mistaken assumptions -- I was not the one who placed the USAToday reference there. It was already there before I ever saw the Dolly Parton article. I also never implied that it was the best source, but rather said that it was a valid source contradicting your deletion (on the purported basis of "The quoted reference supporting the sheep assertion made no mention whatsoever about the sheep being named after Dolly Parton.")
- I'd look, and look again, first if I were you lest you make similar unwarranted acts and statements that make you seem foolish. :-)
--Mercury McKinnon (talk) 04:34, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Marriage
I'd heard that Dolly was divorced from Carl Dean. Is that true? Millbanks (talk) 18:42, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Who is Parton's husband now? --89.107.192.10 (talk) 19:59, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Dolly and Carl are still married. As evidenced by the many current TN state property tax assessments for real estate in Davidson/Williamson counties in Middle TN, and Sevier/Jefferson counties in East TN, etc. She is recorded as Dolly Parton Dean, most often with Carl Dean and frequently as a Trust. The information has only changed to reflect the couple's increasing real estate acquisitions over the years.PårWöet (talk) 06:23, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Incompatible dates
Quote 1:
"On May 30, 1966, at the age of 20, she married Carl Dean in Ringgold, Georgia. She met Dean on her first day in Nashville, at age 18, at the Wishy-Washy Laundromat".
Quote 2:
"The day after she graduated from high school in 1964 she moved to Nashville".
There seems to be something wrong here.
bibh, Leiden NL 08:51, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Actually, those dates match completely. She graduated from high school in 1964 at the age of 18 (2964 minus birth year of 1946 equals 18). Met Carl Dean the next day in Nashville, and she was still 18. Two years later, she married him at age 20 in 1966 (18 plus 2 equals 20). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.33.141 (talk) 00:34, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
DOB, age
I fixed the little stat box in reference to her DOB and age. Also there was something that said "Bold Text" at the very beginning. I tried to get rid of it and succeeded in making a bold dot instead. Also, wow whats up with the people writing on this talk section?72.221.122.42 (talk) 01:09, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Copyright violation?
Parts of this article, including whole sentences, are directly taken from the Allmusic entry on Dolly Parton, http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&searchlink=DOLLY%7CPARTON&sql=11:wiftxql5ldde~T1. Somebody might want to check on this and possibly re-do those parts if it violates copyright. Dunncon13 (talk) 14:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
American Idol Appearance Season 7
I added a summary of the American Idol Appearance Season 7 because below the Television subject was not properly explained. So I made a little summary and some details.
There must be a better word, or description
The lede includes the statement "She is known for her distinctive mountain soprano, sometimes bawdy humor, flamboyant dress sense and voluptuous figure."
I don't think voluptuous really has the correct connotation. Voluptuous suggests a fuller, rounded figure. Parton is by no means Rubenesue, quite the opposite in fact. Apart from one or two obvious exceptions she is actually as skinny as a wraith. But for the life of me I cannot think of another word that adequately describes her remarkable physique and "superstructure" that would be as acceptable in an encyclopedia. I have looked in Roget's and nothing leapt out at me. Any ideas anyone? 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 19:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I think boobuptuous is a better connotation boobuptuous is the perfect way of describing her figure
march 10,2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.153.252.125 (talk) 16:03, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
should you list Dolly Parton's cover of led zepplin's stairway to heaven as an accoustic bluegrass instead of just as bluegrass i heard her cover & i to tell the truth think it sounds more like an accoustic cover than bluegrass cover it does have a little bit of bluegrass sound i have the cd and i think it's a great cd & i think you list the Dolly Parton's Hello God in the main article besides just the Halos & Horns articles it's my favorite Dolly song
june 27,2009
Cyrus
I deleted the sentence regarding Billy Ray's daughter. I don't see the point in saying she is the godmother of Billy Ray's daughter, at least not in the leading paragraph. This is an article about Dolly and I think of all things Dolly has done in her some odd 60+ years her being a godmother is the lest important. Why should the article lead with information regarding a teen sensation that we are not sure will be known 20+ years from now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.16.10 (talk) 17:05, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Mistake
does anybody realize it says molly parton above her picture! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.181.199.6 (talk) 20:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Soubrette
Is Dolly a Soubette? sounds very much like that to me--79.218.203.44 (talk) 15:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
"Discography" detail needed?
wondering why a listing of the albums was added to main article in last month(s). for some time there has already been a separate Dolly Parton discography article that is much more detailed. the main article was already quite long prior to the recent addition of the list of albums (and that length is one of the reasons the separate discography article already exists).
also, there is no need for "bolding" album titles. --98.116.115.180 (talk) 16:54, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Overlinking
I've cleaned up the most massive overlinking I've ever seen. The readers are expected to speak English. Please see WP:LINKING for advice about what not to link. The general idea is to ration the linking so that the high-value links aren't swamped. Tony (talk) 08:26, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Playboy posing
I recall the January 1985 issue of Playboy had a picture of a bare-breasted Freida Parton (Dolly's sister) in the "Girls of Rock 'n' Roll" section with a caption to the effect that she shares her bust size "with sister Dolly" (I remember it because I was a fan of Goldie Hawn, who posed on the cover of that issue). Not sure if it's appropriate to mention in this article, but Freida doesn't seem to have her own article here. ~Amatulić (talk) 01:25, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- "It isn't relevant in this article. Dolly wasn't posing and that is a trivial mention. Wildhartlivie (talk) 02:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Whitney Houston
my mom insists that Whitney Houston stole the song "I will always love you." from Dolly I say noway I told her that Dolly made the song a hit herself first then Whitney made it a hit some years later. who is right my mom or me??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.29.69.103 (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Bra size
At the end of the article, Dolly Parton's bra size is reported as 40DD with no citation. 40DD can't possibly be her true size. Here's how bra sizes work: The number represents the underbust measurement, in inches, minus 2 or 3, whatever makes an even number. The cup size represents the difference between the underbust and overbust, one inch per cup. Therefore, a 40DD means that the underbust measurement is 42" - 43" and the bust measurement is five inches bigger than that, or 47" - 48".
If Dolly Parton wore a 40DD bra, her waist measurement would probably be about 40". It clearly isn't, as she is very small, and she clearly has more than a five inch difference between her underbust and bust measurements. She is probably closer to 30JJ. Therefore, I suggest removing the claim about her exact bra size unless someone can find a citation.
Tulgey (talk) 02:39, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- There's an awful lot of supposition and odd knowledge there, but you should also take into consideration that many women get a larger bra size for the sake of comfort. They may go up a size or two in the measured underbust size for dealing with it. I suggest a citation be found for the size, but I'd also suggest your supposition would need, with apologies, better foundation. Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:46, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Actually Tulgey is quite correct. I would put Parton at around a 30 to 32 JJ as well. A size of 40DD would more a body shape of the present profile of Kirstie Allie. But regardless a valid cite would need to be found. However 40DD is so patently wrong that should also be removed from the article. 21st CENTURY GREENSTUFF 10:31, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Rachel Dennison
Dolly's youngest sister is married to her back-up singer Richard Dennison. Rachel's last name is Dennison. Where did "George" come from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.88.210 (talk) 00:55, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
They have been divorced for years . . . many years. Rachel has since remarried and now has the last name George. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.211.53.150 (talk) 21:51, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Infobox photo
I restored the original Infobox photo. The shot of Parton with Senator Corker already appears in the body of the article, and the shot of Parton that had been included in the infobox for some time now is a public domain shot, a very clear shot of Parton (the shot with Corker, she is only partially visible, hidden behind him), and thus a near ideal shot for the infobox. It is about five years old (I believe it said 2005 ??) but Parton really hasn't changed much in five years, and looks pretty much the same now.--Markt3 (talk) 16:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
"Dr" does not belong in her picture caption
She has an honorary Ph.D and did not get it for scholarship which "Dr." implies. She does not seriously refer to herself as "Dr." It is rightly mentioned under Honors in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Javaweb (talk • contribs) 23:15, 22 November 2010 (UTC) Javaweb (talk) 12:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)Javaweb
Bra Size
Can add soing on Dooly parton Bra Size or so one ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indoorsoccer (talk • contribs) 21:33, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Finger nails as an instrument?
This performer has 'finger nails' listed as instrument. Is this correct? If so, a paragraph should be added to the fingernails article going into more details on that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.207.98.100 (talk) 13:17, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
am after a song someting to do with a party and a fire
hello, i am leeanne from tasmania, years ago i remember a song( it was mainly talk, not singing) about a couple that went to a party, but had to leave early due to a fire at home, do you remember it? if it wasnt you doing that duet with porter wagner? do you recall who it was, and what i may be talking about?please help if you can, love and regards, leeanne, leecrowe2@bigpond.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.214.192.200 (talk) 07:07, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
songs
I have a song my friend wrote and would like to have Dolly hear it to see if there is a possiblity she could record it.
My e-mail address is ikey2@shaw'ca or leoris75@hotmail.com
Look forward to hearing from you. I am a big fan and have been for many years.
Iris Langlois — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.2.149.3 (talk) 01:16, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Photos
I restored the former infobox photo back to the article, moving it to the body of the article. A newer, more recent infobox photo now supercedes it of course, but the previous photo is still a good quality, cear photo of the subject and, more importantly, a public domain photo. Just seems a shame to not use such an image, if not in the info box, than in the body of the article. Photo was taken in the mid-2000s, and I placed it roughly at that point in the chronological discussion of subject's career. --134.174.110.7 (talk) 15:28, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Dolly Parton sold maximum 100 million records instead of over 170 million records
Dear all,
If we only take into account her sales relating to releases under her name, than it's clear that she has not sold over 170 million records as was stated in the article. Dolly Parton sold over 100 million records worldwide (and even this figure is difficult to clarify with certifications).[1] Therefore the 170 million figure is changed to 100 million. Thanks for your understanding.Christo jones (talk) 15:35, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
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