Talk:Xiaomi

Market positioning selection deleted

Please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations for how to request investigation of possible sockpuppetry, including requests for CheckUser intervention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petergalt1980 (talk • contribs) 07:40, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Could you clarify what you mean by sockpuppetry in this context? Your comment is rather unclear. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 12:43, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Changes implemented

I have made the changes proposed by Tobus2 and agreed upon by the editors involved. The only outstanding issue as far as I can see is the removal of the excessive maintenance tags at the top of the article. I propose those are removed unless any other issues are surfaced? ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 18:28, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I suggest to first:

remove the sites claiming "Has Xiaomi redacted the Communist red star from its mascot" and so on...

And add WeijiBaikeBianji's translation...we see how it'll look--B3430715 (talk) 02:48, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I've removed the articles you have referred to. It is unclear what portion of WeijiBaikeBianji's translation you are proposing to add to the article and where. Can you be more specific and propose the language you hope to use for it here so we can reach consensus? P.S. Are you referring to Penwhale's translation perhaps? Please clarify with the proposed language. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 15:02, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

i suggested to do the way how Tobus2 proposed...expect to replace the chinese translation part with Penwhale's translation...so, something like:

The name Xiaomi means millet (literally Xiao - "little", Mi - "rice"), which several Western sources have linked to the CCP's revolutionary idiom (What we have now is millet plus rifles, what you have is bread plus cannon.) . In a 2011 interview, CEO Lei Jun said "Many people have asked how I came up with the name Xiaomi. Many people thought it was based on millet plus rifles. But there are more stories than that."

The Xiao part of it, which means little in Chinese, refers to the Buddhist concept 'One grain of rice of a Buddhist is as great as a mountain', suggesting Xiaomi wants to work from the little things, instead of starting by striving to be tall, big, and perfect...

The Mi part of the name, which means rice in Chinese, is an acronym for for Mobile Internet and also Mission Impossible, referring to the obstacles encountered in starting the company.

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something like that, you can work it out....and then add the 2 sources http://www.techinasia.com/xiaomi-phone/ , http://tech.qq.com/a/20110714/000278.htm ...--B3430715 (talk) 18:44, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

It is a bit unclear from what you have written here how you are actually hoping to phrase it as you have several disjointed thoughts added at the end, which do not sound encyclopedic and do not have sources. It would be helpful if you put together exactly what you are proposing as a clear single paragraph with appropriate sourcing so we can reach consensus. I'm not clear from your writing here what exactly will make you happy with the translation and what won't, so I would prefer to see it clearly written by you with something you feel works and then we can see if we can reach consensus from that. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 20:57, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Me neither. ConcernedVancouverite, why don't you just edit the name part with the translation first...--B3430715 (talk) 05:30, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

The only aspect that I was clear about from what you have written is providing a wikilink to the Communist Party of China. I've added that. I have also added the millet and rifle citation and an additional reference regarding where the CEO acknowledged the linkage as well. I really am not clear what else you are asking for as you haven't given specific language that you have an issue with or a proposed change written in encyclopedic tone and citing sources. So for now I guess it will just stay as it is until you can better explain what your concern is and what solution you propose to that concern. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 14:31, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

ha, my brain cell wan't free in the last couple days... anyway, I think that you had misinterpreted researchinchina...again the source "linked" the name to "millet and rifle" which ain't linbin's words...anyway again, now, you may take a look and suggest here first if you think there is any logical error or WP:OR or whatsoever. If there is a grammar error...

--B3430715 (talk) 21:43, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

The article seems to have now been fixed to address all pending concerns, and you have not raised any concerns on the talk page here, so I'll take it that it is now finally ok to remove the multiple tags you added to the top of the article. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 03:21, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

1. I did things like [[Communist Party of China|CPC]], [[Second Sino-Japanese War|war time]] because I was trying to shorten the whole name thing, but since you created a place for the name, it is ok now
2. I reversed the order of the things because of...well because of the date
3. I added referring to the obstacles encountered in starting the company which i believe was written by you.
4. I removed this Later in 2012 he said that the name is about revolution and being able to bring innovation into a new area. because the source is addressing to Lin Bin, not Lei Jun. Further, I hadn't find it helpful, but rephrase the thing<--you may restore this one if you get the name right
5. I found this War.[9][10][11][12][13][14][15] to be over done, can you remove some? my top choice would be chicagotribune, which just copied for Reuters.
6. I also found its neck.[41][42][43][44] to be over done, can you reduced to 2 souces?--B3430715 (talk) 06:47, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I have re-added the research in china source and attributed it to the President Bin Lin. I am opposed to removing the Chicago Tribune as a major paper reporting on it is significant regardless of where it originally sourced it from. On both that point and the other point, you originally stated that you felt there were not enough reliable sources reporting it, and now are requesting the removal of reliable sources. Clearly it won't work both ways. Either you are satisfied that it is reliably sourced with fewer sources, or the additional sources are required. Since you have left the tags at the top of the article, removing additional sources does not seem to address the concern you raised with the tag. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 15:05, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Hugo Barra personal matters

I also think the sentence "In August 2013 the company announced that it was hiring Hugo Barra from Google where he served as vice president of product management for the Android platform, after the revelation that Google co-founder Sergey Brin was in a relationship with Barra's ex-girlfriend", while factually correct and properly referenced, is rather unfair since there is no actual evidence that Barra's move from Google is linked to Brin's relationship with Barra's former partner. While that issue may be mentioned, I think it is being given too much prominence. Eduard Grebe (talk) 08:07, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

This was taken from multiple reliable sources that made the link - it is not WP:SYNTH. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 12:49, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't dispute the accuracy or the inclusion of this fact, but I think six references for one detail is kind of overkill/redundant. Can we just decide on one or two that are reliable? --Petergalt1980 (talk) 02:45, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Which do you propose? ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 14:40, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I propose we use "Lee, Dave. "BBC News - Google executive Hugo Barra poached by China's Xiaomi". Bbc.co.uk. Retrieved 2013-08-30." as a source and delete the rest. --Petergalt1980 (talk) 02:34, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

That one is a good one to use for the side of the discussion saying that the departure had nothing to due with the girlfriend issues. Both sides need to be represented of course though since both were reported and we need to maintain neutrality. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 15:40, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

To me, it is unfair. But can not be improved...It will be ok, if the reader is rational and understood "there is no actual evidence that Barra's move from Google is linked to Brin's relationship with Barra's former partner"...but gossip type...oh, no!--B3430715 (talk) 06:04, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

I brought this back, because there is a what so ever wiki rule says something like wiki is not a future teller...so I suggested something like:

In August 2013 the company announced that it was hiring Hugo Barra from Google where he served as vice president of product management for the Android platform.[28][29][30][31][32][33] He will be employed as vice president of Xiaomi Global.[34] (and then add things like reasons he left according to this [1])

also, platform.[28][29][30][31][32][33] is over done and unnecessary.--B3430715 (talk) 06:47, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

The controversy is the subject of wide coverage in multiple international sources, and as such needs to be covered. I've added content based upon the additional source you have provided to balance the coverage and give more of his explanation for the move.ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 16:17, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

WeijiBaikeBianji: Please explain the background to the editing here.

I was asked, apparently because I've listed my proficiency in Chinese on my user profile, to look at a Chinese-language source for this article. I'm happy to help with editing here. But may I ask, what is at issue now among editors who disagree with one another about recent edits? I can check the sources, but before I step in, I'd like to know where the editing disagreements are. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 01:48, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Finally...you can first read this Chinese news posted in 2011: http://tech.qq.com/a/20110714/000278.htm regarding the meaning behind xiaomi's name. And then read

1. http://ca.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idCATRE81Q0RH20120227?sp=true
2. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-06-05/news/sns-rt-xiaomi-fundraising-update-1l5e8h57ok-20120605_1_smartphone-source-funding
3. http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/09/xiaomi-phones-apple-google-china-hugo-barra.html

see if the English "definition" given by the above 3 sources are correct/incomplete/wrong. I encourage you not to read the existing discussion, cause I don't want to alter your first impression. --B3430715 (talk) 04:18, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Penwhale has kindly provided a translation here [2]. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 17:58, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Android

I don't have the time at the moment to investigate but from an article that I read [3], it seems that they don's use Android, they use a "fork" of Android which is not the same, probably they don't use Google Play, etc. - Fernando

you can check this: MIUI--B3430715 (talk) 18:51, 17 October 2013 (UTC)