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Can someone make a redirect for Dexari and Dexaroi?Megistias (talk) 21:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We can't, because Dasaretes are an Illyrian atested tribe. There are no Dexari and/or Dexaroi neither. Claiming that Desareti are a greek tribe is a false statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.114.94.17 (talk) 08:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not what the sources say.Megistias (talk) 08:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

illyrian

this source here, says the were illyrian.

A Dictionary of Greek and Roman geography: "Abacaenum-Hytanis. Volume 1, ed. by W. Smith: Walton & Maberly, 1854. p. 755 (... an Illyrian people... the Dassaretae possessed all the lower mountainous country lying between Koritza and Berat) [1] Stupidus Maximus (talk) 19:58, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Epirote. [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stupidus Maximus (talk • contribs) 20:00, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

and the Dassaretae as the most southerly Illyrians in his list, and Pliny [3], [4]

illyrian [5]

Appian, though vague in his geographical placement of both, recounted the legend of the Dassaretae as one of the original Illyrian tribes.

The Dassaretae, an Illyrian tribe, is described by Pliny [6] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stupidus Maximus (talk • contribs) 20:09, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No you are referring to these List_of_Illyrian_tribes#Dassareti . Read the article sources carefully, the link was at the top, how could you have missed it?Megistias (talk) 12:49, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Between KOritza and Berat? see page 755. [7] Stupidus Maximus (talk) 13:11, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've told you you need to rely on 20th century bibliography.Alexikoua (talk) 13:30, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(@SM&socks) For certain it is pathetic to insist on this crap almost 3 years latter.Alexikoua (talk) 15:50, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Illyrian tribe

There is only one tribe called Dassaretae and this tribe is Illyrian. Read the sources: [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] and so on - Euriditi 12:46, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree with you. Jingiby (talk) 12:58, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry? Actually there are two diferrent tribes with similar name. The one that inhabited central-southern Albania (Dasaretae) was the Greek one (just click again on the sources you provided, for example CAH [[15]] and Hammond [[16]]),all references confirm that the specific tribe belonged to the Chaonian group.Alexikoua (talk) 13:49, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For God sake, Chaonia is an Illyrian tribe too. Note that I will not mention sources written by Albanians.

... an Epirot tribe, who later settled partly in Skyros; and a place in the land of the Illyrian Chaonians in Epirus founded by him ...- p.5, Classical philology: Volume 36;Volume 36, 1941.
Gillian Gloyer and Gillian Gloyer in the book Albania: the Bradt travel guide state that:

The town Saranda is an ancient town, first settled by the Illyrian tribe of the Chaonians, who called it Onchesmus. Cicero mentions it as a convenient harbour with a favourable prevailing wind. While in another source George Broke in his book History of Greece: Repr. from the ... London ed: Volume 3 - page 414 states that:

... Theopompus about 340 bc reckoned fourteen distinct Epirotic nations among whom the Molossians and Chaonians were the principal. It is possible that some of these may have been semi Illyrian others semi Macedonian though all were comprised by him under the common name Epirots.(img)
Citation of Cassell's illustrated universal history by Edmund Ollier - Two republican States — those of the Chaonians and the Tliesprotians — were also barbarian ; but the Ambracian Republic, ... As respects its population, the barbaric element (due to the frequent inroads of Illyrian tribes) undoubtedly ...

Other sources: [17] [18] [19]. - Euriditi 11:07, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Chaonians weren't "Illyrian too". Your sources are extremely old (Arnold), or else don't say what you claim they do (Hammond). Hammond is the main source on the Hellenicity of the Chaonians, he nowhere says they are Illryian, rather the opposite. And travel guides are not appropriate sources for articles such as these. Forget it. Athenean (talk) 20:49, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A source is never old or archaic. If it is old enough you may call it reliable because it had stand alive through the time. I think that referring to only one source is unilateral. - Euriditi 17:55, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Which "alive" source? Someone who haven't read older (ancient) sources that where citing Chaonians as Greeks and was only assuming? In the same way someone could assume at that time that Turks where Greeks,Hittites,Armenians,Luwians because they lived on part of the lands of these people and they were an "alive" example but we all know that this is not true. Take your nationalistic rantings out of Wikipedia!