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January 24, 2008	Good article nominee	Listed

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Photo

We should have no problem with this photo. Hotcop2 (talk) 19:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, and don't forget it! :) --andreasegde (talk) 06:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NAME

Where did the Chinese characters go? Hotcop2 (talk) 01:40, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA

This is close to a GA, and it would be great to see it on this. In fact, I will fix the references and then nominate it. --andreasegde (talk) 22:17, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I still have to fill in some of the Beatles 57-70 section. But I'm feeling like crap so I can't do it right now. After they conquer America, his books, touring, John's comment about Christ (which is already there), the end of touring, Brian's death, India, Yoko, lithos, rock n roll circus... then it should be pretty much done. Hotcop2 (talk) 22:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See how messed up i am? i thought i was talking about the Lennon page. God. Anyway, the Pang article looks great ;-) Hotcop2 (talk) 22:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It will be the last laugh for May, as she will be a GA article while Yoko is still a B, and probably will be for some time. Silly, I know, but little things please little minds like mine... :)) --andreasegde (talk) 23:06, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bill Harry

Harry’s “John Lennon Encyclopedia” is a broken link. Maybe it will come back, but if not all the references will have to removed. --andreasegde (talk) 23:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've done it. --andreasegde (talk) 01:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA again

It's getting closer, but it needs a good polish. --andreasegde (talk) 01:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have put quite a few links at the bottom which will be deleted after I put them in the article. --andreasegde (talk) 15:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is going very well, IMHO... :) --andreasegde (talk) 18:05, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great job ;-) Hotcop2 (talk) 01:44, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Photos changed, as per instructions from the heated law and order officer. :) --andreasegde (talk) 03:50, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good article nomination on hold

This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of January 21, 2008, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: The writing is very engaging and interesting. It could probably use a minor copy edit to perfect the grammar and presentation in a few places, but overall the writing is very good.

2. Factually accurate?: The article seems very well-referenced, see NPOV for the single flaw.

Done I think I got it. The aggresive brother and not being accepted, perhaps? --andreasegde (talk) 15:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

3. Broad in coverage?: The article appears to touch most of the major points. Some issues (see images comments below).

4. Neutral point of view?: References like this should attribute the author/source explicitly in the article text. It should not be cited like a reliable independent reference. Instead, the reader should be alerted that these are May Pang's assertions. Regarding the following comment: "Ono confirmed this conversation in an interview with Larry Kane for his 2005 book, Lennon Revealed." This should be cited to that book, including page number, for verifiability's sake. Presentation like this appears to be a bit apologetic/sympathetic on May Pang's behalf. This and any similar examples should be revised to address any concerns regarding NPOV.

Done I think I have done that, but I will go through it with a fine toothcomb. --andreasegde (talk) 15:50, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

5. Article stability? This article appears heavily worked on, but stable and without much dispute.

6. Images?: There are an unusual number of fair use images in this article. Not all of the fair use material seems appropriate. For example, Instamatic Karma is not actually discussed in the article, making its use purely decorative (and it's fair use rationale deceptive). This definitely needs to be addressed by removing fair use images or expanding the article appropriately.

Done The photo has gone. It will probably be put back when the book is released, or when Hotcop2 can get it approved by May Pang.--andreasegde (talk) 15:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article is mostly in very good condition, with copious references and solid writing. Some adjustments need to be made to comply with NPOV and fair use policy.

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. Vassyana (talk) 17:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will work on your points (I see what you mean) and I thank you for the review. --andreasegde (talk) 18:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. This article is in very good shape with only a couple of issues. I look forward to the improvements. :) Vassyana (talk) 18:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I thank you again. What a nice reviewer! I have to work the whole day tomorrow, but I will go for it tomorrow afternoon/night (Central European time). --andreasegde (talk) 19:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this is exciting. I added a couple of references, hope I did so correctly. Regarding the Instamatic Karma cover, I have a galley copy, and can expand a bit about the book. Or it can be removed and possibly replaced when the book is released.... Hotcop2 (talk) 22:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good idea. --andreasegde (talk) 16:54, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, changed May 1974 to June 1974 for the return to NY as this is directly from May's book Loving John. In her book May states John returned alone with Harry to NY in May 1974 and May Pang followed several weeks later. Do not recall the exact page number but can provide if requested. This would then make this change cited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.148.168.53 (talk) 22:33, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling mistake and date inconsistency

Hello, great article, thanks. Just a couple of points:
where it says "Lennon would start seeing other women" in the "Lost weekend" section, ~~I think the editor meant to write "Lennon should start seeing other women". It just makes more sense in context (and I have a feeling that that was Ono's intention ... is there a good source?)~~
The date for recording of 'Pussy Cats' would seem to be right, and so would the date for the 'oldies' (presumably Lennon's 'Rock and Roll' album). In which case the Spector info needs to come right after "In October 1973, Lennon and Pang left New York..." otherwise Lennon has his drinking incidents in 1974 and then collaborated with Spector in 1973, which doesn't make sense.
I'll check back and see if its been changed in a week or two, thanks.Jabberwock359 (talk) 19:25, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I made a mistake, the correct sense is "would probably start seeing other women" (from the 'lost Lennon Interviews' book), sorry!Jabberwock359 (talk) 19:38, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, so I restructured it a bit for clarity. Hotcop2 (talk) 00:07, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stray code

Can anyone figure out where the "style="background: #BFD; color: black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center; " class="yes table-yes"| es" at the bottom of the article is coming from?—DocWatson42 (talk) 12:08, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

By process of elimination, I've determined it is the "{{Good|es}}" tag. Now to figure out what to do about it.—DocWatson42 (talk) 05:50, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete it, that's what, since the template is inappropriate.—DocWatson42 (talk) 05:54, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, The name "Pang" is not quoted in Larry Kanes book. It is conjecture and assumption that Lennon means only Pang when he had intimate relationships with several other women during the lost weekend. Please do not enter uncited content unless a quote can be proven.

Hello, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.208.23.76 (talk) 21:51, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In Kane's book, the passage and quote directly refers to the "lost weekend" and John's explanation of his mixed feelings of his return to Ono. He didn't have several other "relationships," he fucked a couple of girls (as he had done with Ono and Cynthia) and says "I loved this woman" not "women" -- and the name Pang wasn't in the quote, which is why it's in (parenthesis). Hotcop2 (talk) 22:20, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ok thanks for the clarification - at least it is not as misleading now. By the way there was one woman named Angel that John had a 4 month affair with in La when he was with May Pang. She was the girl John would go to when he and May would fight and he would walk out. This girl Angel has contacted and spoken with May through emails several years ago, and posted some of May's replies to her on the internet. So, seeing that John did have multiple "relationships" during the lost weekend it all should be taken into account. John even said in his own words that he was like a chicken with this head cut off and that he meant no disrespect to people he was having "relationships" with in an interview shortly after returning to Yoko. Yes he used the plural. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.208.23.76 (talk) 19:05, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It says that john hadn't had contact with his son Julian for four years when May had encouraged him to re-establish contact during the "lost weekend" of 1974 when in fact there exists footage of Julian at johns house during the "imagine" sessions of 1971.

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