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Re:Overpopulation in India

I don't have time for debates but I looked at the discussion and it seems people arguing against overpopulation in India have no serious sources to prove their point. Even the CIA world factbook states this fact. It has nothing to do with opinion. I even added citations in my edit. Even if majority disagree, they need some reliable sources.--Taeyebaar (talk) 00:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Taeyebaar: Regarding that edit, whether referenced or not, adding it was against the current consensus so I had to revert; if I didn't, someone else would have probably much later. I've had no involvement in that discussion, so have no opinion on this.

However, I can tell you that if you're really inclined to add it and disagree with that discussion, to take this to the talk page. Consensus can change. No doubt it may not work out according to how you want it, but you might learn something new, and that discussion could be used for future reference. Time is really not an issue here, you don't have to actively participate in the talk page...take as long as you like.

Anyway, that was just my two cents on this. Good day, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:25, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Does community consensus override wp:rs? I'm not sure how this works, but I'll be happy to at least partially participate in a discussion to ensure that it goes into the article. As you wrote there's no deadline. Thanks for informing me.--Taeyebaar (talk) 04:12, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker)I have not seen the discussion in question, but I can say that in theory WP:RS stands paramount; in practice though, as with all policies, they are not 100 percent precise. It frequently occurs that there is community consensus against using what might superficially seem to be a reliable source. Of course, that consensus can change, and occasionally it can be wrong; there are places to sort this out, like the talk page, WP:RSN, WP:DRN, and so forth. Hope this helps. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 05:46, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Phrasing would be important; what exactly do you state? "India is overpopulated", "population pressure", or "Indian goverment works hard to provide food and income for a growing population"? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:02, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Vanamonde for your response, the discussion is Talk:India/Archive_38#Overpopulation. To Joshua Jonathan, the edit added "Overpopulation" to the statement "India continues to face...". Since you have been involved in it before, you may want to go ahead with Taeyebaar in case anyone of you both want to start it again.

To @Taeyebaar: WP:RS is a content guideline, so as Vanamonde said, it cannot be overrided and even if it does, it may be in extreme situations and rarely be done in such a way as you have said. Looking back at the discussion at hand, I personally see the dispute as being regarding whether that term is used by majority of the reliable sources or not; finally, it seemed like most who opined felt that it wasn't. If you feel like starting it again, you can go ahead at Talk:India and start a new section. It's best to keep the discussion at one place and the old participants may need to be notified. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 17:29, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for responses guys. In response to Joshua's comments above, the area where it says the country continues to face pressing problems. In response to Vanamonde93, we should go by how reliable the sources are. To start with I could mention the CIA world factbook, which is in fact used as a source on wikipedia on country topics, including India, so that would be the strongest source in favor of adding overpopulation to the India article. Otherwise it's questionable that wikipedia uses it as a source but denies it in other situations. But I think what's agreed is it requires further discussion and I'm willing to share all the input I can in the time i have--Taeyebaar (talk) 21:46, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have started a new discussion on the subject. You are welcomed to post there.--Taeyebaar (talk) 20:36, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Taeyebaar: Yes, I've seen it on my watchlist and notified those previous participants for you. Remember to indent your replies using ":"--for more, see Talk page guidelines before taking part. I hope you've prepared to be patient and relax for this one, you've probably seen in the old discussion, one of the editors lost their cool since the very beginning, thus not helping their side of argument much. Anyway good luck, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 11:50, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Nizdast thank you.--Taeyebaar (talk) 20:12, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

About India's map which is shown by writer.

I requesting sir please remove that Map which is showing some part of India is missing & shown in adjacent countries.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.248.247.54 (talk • contribs) 11:49, 26 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea what you're referring to. Maybe you need to read Talk:India/FAQ Question 6. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:09, 26 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) This may be just me and my dirty suspicions, but I'm guessing this is a veiled reference to the fact that maps on Wikipedia show territory as it is currently held, and not as the Indian government would like it to be shown; ie Azad Kashmir in Pakistan, and the Aksai Chin in China. Of course, this is necessary thanks to NPOV, and it's unlikely there is anything to fix here. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:30, 26 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA Cup

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@Ayesha aqsa: That's very kind of you and welcome to Wikipedia. If you need any help here feel free to ask me. Good day, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:02, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Favor

As you can see I get very less time (because of office work) to check Wikipedia. I request you to add Uttar Pradesh, Indian National Congress, Vivah, Allahabad, Maine Pyar Kiya, Amrita Rao and Maharashtra in your watchlist. I have spent so many hours to write these seven articles but IP users doesn't understand and they often vandalize with no genuine reason. Please help.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^☣ 07:11, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done added all to my list + I already watch Maharashtra and Indian National Congress--my general observation is INC already looked after by many and is in good hands. I'd be happy to watch your GAs Maharashtra (soon-to-be), Allabhabad and Uttar Pradesh. The rest, since I'm totally unfamiliar with, I might have to ask you occasionally regarding reverting certain IP edits. The IP edits mostly aren't vandalism but misguided edits which unfortunately plagues our Indian-related topics due to most being from vernacular backgrounds. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 16:58, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Why edit removed though reference was made available?

I did give a valid reference for my edit. It was listed as 187th in the list of references. Then why was my edit removed???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rampy.g (talk • contribs) 09:58, 19 September 2014‎ (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Rampy.g: because "http://www.theprasanthireporter.org/ " is not considered as a Reliable Source. Please read what consists of one and what does not. Sincerely, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:04, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Beijing #Air Pollution

I wonder why you just mentioned a single word. The whole section should not have been removed just for the dispute of a single word. The other parts of my post has been reliably resourced, including the annual(and decade) mean value and the trend of air quaility in last 14 years (ex. http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-01/03/content_17212783.htm).

The conclusion of "changeable" can also be drawed from one website of Chinese http://bjwb.bjd.com.cn/html/2014-01/02/content_139456.htm that I posted before, where the number of good days (daily mean value, moderate for US standard) was published. Although it was not a strong evidence compared with the calculation of hourly mean. Though won't be accepted as an evidence, I would also like to show you my personal research as I'm a Beijinger: Among 2013, the daily highest visibility reached above 50 km in about 60 days , above 80 km in about 24 days, above 100 km in about 10 days. We have north wind normally once three days at winter, which can reduce the air pollution index in 1-2 hour as Beijing located very near the little pollution area of Mongolia Plateau. In Feb 28, 2013 and Jan 18, 2014, I was surprised to saw that a clear bound over the sky seperating it into 2 parts with yellow color and blue color, with the air quality index jumped up and down in several hours. BeijingCup (talk) 08:05, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please attentioned that my post was NOT for refuting the statement "Beijing air quality is often poor...".On the cantrary, it was quite neccessary for describing how poor it was exactly and showing us the trend in last 14 years. BeijingCup (talk) 08:13, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@BeijingCup: Hey there, sorry but I just participated there via WP:3O so my involvement in minimal, and I cannot give my opinion on what you have just said. I usually only respond to the participants to carry the discussion forward or if they have minor doubts about something. When one of the editors disagrees with the 3O they can always seek further dispute resolution or repost at the 3O for another uninvolved editor (if they're lucky). -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 12:36, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Edit war

Hi, user Jonathansammy seems to be in mood to have edit war. He's making lot of irrelevant edits in Maharashtra. You know article took so much hard work and dedication and this particular user making it suck. Please help.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^☣ 07:19, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't checked yet but once I do I'll try to pitch in and voice my opinion. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:14, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Okay checked it, I have a proposal for you: why don't you take it to the talk page first since the other editor hasn't yet? This is facilitate discussion if anyone's interested and I would like to see both of your views on this. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:25, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Left a message long ago which was his edits in Indian National Congress. But anyway will notify him, if he do that again. Just don't understand why people indulge in edit war. Improving an article is much better job than this so called edit war. --25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^☣ 14:38, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Assume good faith and Twinkle

I have the page Wikipedia:Third opinion on my watch list. I have raised an issue at Wikipedia talk:Twinkle about a problem with the default wording of Twinkle that is a breach of "assume good faith".

You made a revert using Twinkle here. Have you any reason to think that Davidbena, who is an established editor makes bad faith edits? If not why start an editorial comment with "Reverted good faith edits by Davidbena:". If you assume good faith then there is no reason for such a comment unless you think that Davidbena makes bad faith edits.

For example you would not expect me to save this edit with "Comments on gold faith revert by Ugog Nizdast: ..." because anyone who reads the edit comment may think that I think you make bad faith reverts, if not, why would I write it if I assume good faith? I have recently been told on Wikipedia talk:Twinkle that you do not have to select that default wording -- but I would not know as I don't use Twinkle. -- PBS (talk) 15:40, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You do have a point there, but I use it mainly to make my revert seem "nicer" rather than the bland "undid revision by..." and mostly do it for new users. For example if I do it to someone I've dealt with before and have good relations with that user, then I use the normal reverts. AGF revert I also use for users I'm not met before, like in this case. For a general case, yes, it does seem a little redundant but the fact that it's used shows it has some value here. With Twinkle you get three options: AGF revert, normal revert, vandalism revert (which rollbacks without any summary). -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 16:47, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your over its appropriateness with edits by new users and IP addresses, and I made that point on Wikipedia talk:Twinkle. If I was a Twinkle user, I would do what I do now when I revert an edit and check the editors edit history before making a revert. -- PBS (talk) 20:37, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yemenite Jews

Can either of you tell me how to best proceed in a dispute over an image displayed (in my view, provocatively) over the Yemenite Jews main article? See Talk page, sub-section "Flouting an Ethnic Group," for further details. I am loathe to begin an editing war with someone who may have the power to block me from editing, and, yet, I feel that I am in the right here. Please advise.Davidbena (talk) 17:41, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I did see Talk:Yemenite_Jews#Flouting_an_Ethnic_Group and you already started a Request for Comment there so all you need to do is wait for input from interested users; that may take a while. I declined you 3O post because of this reason. Sincerely, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 17:47, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, User:Ugog Nizdast. I will wait as you said, and will see how things develop.Davidbena (talk) 17:52, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I am sorry for my post I will refrain from doing this in the future