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User:MrKIA11/Archive Box

New York City Scouts

Werieth stripped the images out of this page and I didn't see it at the time. So, the images all got deleted as orphans. I'd like to add them back in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Greater_New_York_Councils&diff=prev&oldid=614364534

Can you work with me on this? Please restore the images and let me know. I'll add them back in.

Thank you, --evrik (talk) 20:41, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Evrik: Well I could restore them, and he will take them out again! You have best discuss it with him first - Fair use has to be minimal - often one in the main infobox, any more can only be used if they have a critical commentary about each of the images. Ronhjones  (Talk) 02:10, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Evrik: Just undo your last edit on that page and all will be revealed. :-) Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:40, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

98.229.208.214

You blocked this IP a few weeks ago for disruptive editing. They're back, making a series of nonsense edits to MBTA-related pages. Many of them are repeats of edits that I and others have specifically told them not to make. Do you think another block would be appropriate at this point? Thanks, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:13, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I too am wondering what to do about this IP editor. They have a ton of warning messages at their Talk page, they do not leave edit summaries with the vast majority of their edits, and their edits to appear to be "disruptive" on balance. --IJBall (talk) 05:24, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@IJBall and Pi.1415926535:  Done - also protected a few of their "favourite" pages - it's a dynamic IP - I can easily see a router re-boot to get a new IP address and avoid the block. Hopefully a combination of both will show them that they are wasting their time. Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:56, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot. Unfortunately, it may get worse. User:Monster_boy1's edits look incredibly similar, right down to identical edits on Template:MBTA Orange Line. 100.0.125.66 has a smaller pool of edits but they look to be another version on the same, including the obsessiveness over Boston geography and edits to Foxborough, Massachusetts. At this point, do I need to open an SPI case? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:07, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Pi.1415926535: Looking at those edits (and I'm not an SPI expert), I would say that's a big yes. SPI can run an edit comparison - I think that will show some results. At least the IP editing will be reduced, while the pages are protected. Ronhjones  (Talk) 15:11, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Here is the page if you'd like to add to it. Thanks for your help! Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:34, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The user compare report on that page looks interesting. Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:26, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 26 November 2014

You've got mail

Hello, Ronhjones. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.
OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 03:40, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Replied Ronhjones  (Talk) 15:16, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

YOU ARE SYMPTOMATIC ON WHY WIKIPEDIA EDITING HAS GONE DOWN

I wrote one sentence on Walmartsucks.com. And added ten well refernced sources to the talk page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walmartsucks.com You deleted all of them. People don't want to edit here if people like you abuse your deletion authority and delete their work. I have no respect for you at all, you don't deserve it. You treat other peoples contributions to this website like garbage. That is rude and nasty, and worst of all, it hurts the project. This is true no matter how many liked minded, narrow minded people established editors and admins support you here and on my talk page. So many articles and scientific peer-reviewed articles support the fact that deleting other peoples edits hurt wikipedia editing.

I may just recreate that article, but this time, put all the many magazine articles you deleted into the article itself. Then you will look like you abused your authority in deleting this article. Because you did, it was shortsighted and ignorant.

Do you treat people like this in real life? Start treating people with respect and you will be happier in life. Thewhitebox (talk) 15:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am not going to argue sources with an abusive editor(s) that clearly does not respect sources. I am posting this to warn other editors of your behavior today. When they come here with complaints about your reckless behavior, my comments will be here. Hopefully this can be used as evidence in a future RFC or arbitration case against your editing.
I dearly wish there was a system in which if admins speed delete potentially good articles negligently, they could lose their adminship. This desperately needs to happen. Your recklessness is a wonderful case in point.
Thewhitebox (talk) 15:54, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Thewhitebox: I did not tag it for deletion - I just examine the article. References have no place on the talk page - the same as references just tabled at the bottom, they need to be proper in-line references backing up each item of data to give good verifiability - that's not my view, it's Wikipedia policy.. Ronhjones  (Talk) 16:00, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Declined AIV report

Hello.

I had reported the specified user given that it was another IP address of an already blocked user, who used a new IP address to evade the block. Can you please give a few details about the declined report? Thanks. 2602:304:59B8:1F19:65C6:59E1:C52B:9B3A (talk) 19:05, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AIV is for is for obvious vandals and spammers only, who usually have received 4 warnings (level 1 through to level 4) and have vandalised again - as the header at the top says "The user must have been given enough warnings to stop their disruptive behavior.". If you think you have found some socks then consider taking it to WP:SPI, where other more experienced in that field will examine the report. Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:32, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Luhan

Thanks for protecting Luhan's Wikipedia page. Sounds like a severe attack went on there. I hope all is well and take care! Tibbydibby (talk) 19:31, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

MobiKwik Logo Permission sent

Hi Ronhjones how are you? Hey I got your message on my page regarding the permission for MobiKwik logo. It's a free resource and I have sent across an email to the id you have provided.

Rgds Editor0071 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editor0071 (talk • contribs) 16:37, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Editor0071: If you can show it's free than that would be great - the web page (https://www.mobikwik.com/) does not show such permission, so we need the e-mail. Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:44, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Re-File permission problem with File:George Bary.jpeg and about donation of copyrighted images to Wikipedia

Dear Ronhjones User:Ronhjones, thank you for you offers and notes, because I am new editor in wikipedia. E-mail is already sent to permissions-en@wikimedia.org from George Bary's private e-mail. Thank you once more. Kind regards, Una --Lotus Flower in the Modern Art (talk) 20:44, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Lotus Flower in the Modern Art: I've removed the speedy to allow time for OTRS, and I've tidied up the page with the correct "info" template. (and you don't need to add a sig on an image page) Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:40, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

--Dear Ronhjones User:Ronhjones, thank you very much for everything, thank you for support my new article. Kind regards, Una --Lotus Flower in the Modern Art (talk) 08:23, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks For Deleting Ash Rust Eating Tree

Sorry I was unable to assist in the discussion regarding the Ash Rusht file, this year I spent the holiday traveling abroad and out of the country. The image was given to me by a close friend and fellow Wikipedian who said he took the image himself and wanted me to publish it as my own work so that he could use it for a Wikipedia page he was working on regarding the Ash Rust family/class. He was a little caught up in his work and wanted me to post it so that he would not need to waste the time himself. After reading the discussion and seeing the site that so clearly depicted the image I realized that it was indeed not his own work. I also wished to ask if an EDU file is useable without the need of copyright approval. Thanking you for your help and wishing you a great rest of your weekend, STJMLCC (talk) 23:02, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Image copyright is one of the most difficult things here. Grab a camera, take a picture, and the copyright is yours (well the photo copyright is yours, so long as there are not copyrightable items in the photo!). For web images you need to look for CC-BY-SA or CC-BY or CC-zero or PD (Public Domain) somewhere on the site ("terms and conditions", "site usage", etc.), also check the foot of the page you are reading. Copyright in most of the world usually lasts to about 70 years past the death of the creator. If you are in the US, then since 1989 (U.S. Berne Convention Implementation Act of 1988 was enacted in March 1989) there has not been a need to slap "copyright by XXXX" on everything any more - full "All Rights Reserved" copyright is automatic, and thus for any web image to be used here, the web site has to show one of the licenses I mentioned. Suitable images are therefore hard to find - there are some images on Flickr and Panoramio that have a suitable license (but there is also a lot of Flickrwashing, which can give one a headache). The advanced image search on Google can also be set to only show "Free to use, share or modify, even commercially" which is useful. Images on university sites will be "All rights reserved" unless explicitly stated. The main exceptions for web sites are central USgov (not state) including NASA, and (I think) Florida and California official state (don't quote me on those two - I know there are two states - hey I'm in the UK, nothing is free here, even the Gov is Crown Copyright. Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:35, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Great! I will keep that in mind! Also regarding Toyota's page, I wanted to ask if it would be possible for the page to obtain semi-protection as it is constant target for vandalism. My friend[s] and I have been reverting vandalism on the site a multitude of times, it is more-so for my friend as I seldomly visit the site, and it has been sugested before but never taken into consideration. Thank you again for your time and help, (Forgot To Sign In On My Last Comment [IP Adress]) STJMLCC (talk) 00:10, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like you have one dodgy edit a week there - a bit low for protection, when you get 1 a day, then we can come in and fix it. Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:15, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! Thanks again for the help at least I now know it is normal. Have a good rest of your day! STJMLCC (talk) 00:37, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of FIDES Bank Namibia

Hello, I found out the article FIDES Bank Namibia was proposed for deletion and subsequently deleted on the basis it was wholly acquired by separate business entity and no longer existed. This does not look like a proper reason for deletion to me, because:

  • the bank existed and as such, deserves an article in Wikipedia as much as it deserved it during its existence as FIDES Bank (e.g. was the article on Pan Am ever proposed for deletion?);
  • So far as I know, the activities of the bank are still going on but under the name of 'Trustco Bank Namibia' (cf. this reference).

Would that sound good enough to you to restore the article so that I can update it thereafter?

Thanks for your feedback, looking forward to hearing you on this.

Rtevels (talk) 09:27, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I must make the banner at the top of the page bigger... See User:Ronhjones/DeletedPROD, and if you still want it restored, just say. Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:03, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, it seems like you are fond of banners :) Yes, I'd like it to be restored. Thanks. Rtevels (talk) 08:46, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Interestingly, that was the only edit that the user "CliffordGanaseb" has ever made... Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:55, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Go Nawaz Go

As per the request here and the notice at the top of the page I recreated Go Nawaz Go. I've semi-protected it as a redirect to Go Nawaz Go (slogan). Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 20:26, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK with me. Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:23, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your state library, what it is, what it does (1977).png

Hi Ron,

Thanks for catching my error in the rights information on the image File:Your state library, what it is, what it does (1977).png. The image depicts the cover of a pamphlet considered to be in the public domain by its creator and online distributor, the State Library of North Carolina. The official rights statement for the full publication is found at http://digital.ncdcr.gov/cdm/ref/collection/p249901coll22/id/63754, which is linked from the pamphlet's page in the online collections of the State Library of North Carolina: http://digital.ncdcr.gov/cdm/compoundobject/collection/p249901coll22/id/131864. Materials from the State Library's online collections have been uploaded to Wikimedia under the Template:PD SLNC license (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-SLNC).

Because this image is only the cover image rather than the full pamphlet, it was uploaded to Wikipedia, where I'm a little less familiar with how to establish a unique rights statement for the State Library. Is it possible to reinstate the image?

Thank you, User:NCandbeyond

@NCandbeyond:. As you have noticed Wikipedia does not have the rich diversity of templates that commons has. Partly, I suspect, that we expect free images to be on commons, and therefore there's no point in making unnecessary templates.
The links look OK. You have a choice...
  1. I can undelete and just add a standard PD license, with the links
  2. You can upload direct to commons and use the correct template - if the whole leaflet is PD - then so is the cover.
Even if I did the first option, it's likely that someone would move it to commons anyway - editors patrol round adding {{Copy to Wikimedia Commons}} to anything that looks like it should be there. Let me know what you want to do. Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:52, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense, we can add it to Commons if that's the thing to do. As an aside, is there ever a circumstance under which a file should be uploaded to Wikipedia instead of Commons? - NCandBeyond — Preceding undated comment added 21:37, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes...
  1. Images on commons must be free in both USA and country of origin. Thus an image of a new building, in say the Philippines cannot be free in home country, and will only be on Wikipedia. See c:Commons:Freedom of panorama
  2. Fair use images can only be on a local wiki, and they must satisfy WP:NFCC and be <100,000 pixels in size - for images that cannot be obtained free - CD/DVD covers; posters; deceased people; etc.
See also {{Template:Do not move to Commons}} and that templates use - Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Do_not_move_to_Commons Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:17, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's my town...

Hey buddy, I just wanna tell you that Nindo Shaher is my own town and I know each and every single thing about it that's why I make edits and every time I paste "Notables" column, you just remove it... Please, let me handle with this page and don't change or undo my edits as I write only correct and fully specified information. Hope you will understand, 

                       Thanks !

FAJafferi (talk) 20:08, 2 December 2014 (UTC)FAJafferiFAJafferi (talk) 20:08, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

All data on Wikipedia must be verifiable by reliable sources. If it's not it will be removed. Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:10, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Also you should read WP:OWN Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:19, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

John Chandler (educator)

Hi! Thanks for doing the revdel there, I should probably have requested it first time around. A quibble, though: I don't think prod blp can apply there, as he died in 1985. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 00:22, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Justlettersandnumbers: Since there is no death date, who knows? The only dates we can see are in the template Chandler (1973-1985) - just a 12 year span - did he die in 1985 or just retire... Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:38, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
He just retired ... see here. Should have looked more carefully. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 00:51, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tsogo Sun

Dear Mr. Jones,

This summer you deleted a wiki page for Tsogo Sun as expired PROD due to lack of good references showing notability of the subject (the deletion discussion page).

I have made an extensive search for information in order to restore the page. Here you can see my corrected and expanded version of the old userfied page — Tsogo Sun in my sandbox.

Please let me know whether I can restore the page using this text. I need your (second) opinion, because you was previously involved in that matter. Moreover, JamesBWatson (a wiki admin) was and is still sure that the subject does not satisfy Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Our discussion of this topic has proved inconclusive, so I decided to ask for your help. —Alexandra Goncharik -sms- 12:50, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What you really need is an independent review where there is no history known to possibly add bias. Therefore, you have the userpage banner on the page - just click the green link to add it to the WP:AfC review queue, even if it doesn't pass - you will be told what is wrong and (so long as you keep improving it) it won't be deleted. This is what I do now, it's a good way of getting an article into mainsapce, without the worry of someone immediately coming along and asking for deletion - I'm waiting for my 3rd review of Draft:Robbie Glover. NB:You need to make that first "Tsogo Sun" at the start of the article in bold. Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:28, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for your help! I didn't know that even Wikipedia administrators submit articles via WP:AfC. I will follow your advice. —Alexandra Goncharik -sms- 17:28, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And even we lose articles as well - spot the red links... User:Ronhjones#English_Wikipedia Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:49, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Draft:Tsogo_Sun is online. I hope it will be accepted. Thanks again for your kind explanations. Good luck with your 3rd review of Draft:Robbie Glover. —Alexandra Goncharik -sms- 10:52, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Rainbow skirt and feather coat dance: Revision history

Dear Ronhjones. We are a group of friends and we created the Wikipedia page of Rainbow Skirt and Feather Coat Dance (draft submitted by the user Larryai3290). He submitted the page without asking us and the draft wasn't ready at all. Now, we cannot edit the page anymore, and we don't know how to delete the submitting and re-submit it after changing things. We are really struggling with Wikipedia right now and we are 19 years old, it's the first time we're using Wikipedia and we're really really lost... I've seen you edited the page the 28th November 2014 and that you're an administrator so maybe you could help us... We need to do it fast because it's a project for presenting the dance for a local event and we didn't know we would have these kinds of problems... Thank you in advance and I apologize for my poor english (we're french). Thank you if you help us, that would really, really mean a lot to us. Sincerely, JulieHSCL — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliehscl (talk • contribs) 17:39, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@JulieHSCL: The page was submitted for review on the 27th November. I would guess that it won't be reviewed until 27th December or later. You can edit the page - there is nothing to stop you editing it, right up to the review day. Even if it fails the review, it can be worked on and re-submitted later. There are three editors currently working on the page user:Larryai3290 (who created the page), User:Ekuaa 95, and User:Liu159130 - if you want to edit it, then you will have to work with them to improve that page. My edit was an automatic one, after deletion of a poorly uploaded image. Why don't you also create the article at http://fr.wikipedia.org as you are French - the other language wikis need more pages Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:49, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

67.185.153.156

Hey, Ron, I'm reporting to you that 67.185.135.156 has added unsourced content to the Shere Khan and Bill Lee (singer) articles, again. You previously blocked this IP, and another block appears to be necessary in this situation. Thanks. Christianster94 (talk) 00:59, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just caught that before bedtime :-) Ronhjones  (Talk) 02:26, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much. Christianster94 (talk) 02:55, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sycamore_School

Hi, I made some edits to the page titled Sycamore School in 2008 and I logged on to view them in the page history, but the page had been deleted. I don't contest the deletion in any way, but the edits from 2007 and 2008 do hold sentimental value to me. Is there any way I can have a copy of the old page to see what used to exist? My email address is <courtesy removed>

Thanks Legofreakboy92 (talk) 05:51, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(Non-administrator comment) If you're just looking for the page content, you should be able to find a copy on archive.org. If you're looking for the actual wikitext or the edit history, that requires an admin. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 07:10, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have been through archive.org and can see the page content, but I would really like to see the edit history. Thank you though. Legofreakboy92 (talk) 18:08, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'll send you something tonight. I've blanked your e-mail address as well (keep the spam down!) Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:39, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can I put these Ancient Egyptian words on Wikipedia?

Am I permitted to put Ancient Egyptian words from free Ancient Egyptian dictionary Dickson (Creative commons license) and out of copyright dictionary by Wallis Budge vol 1 and 2 on Archive org.

Also about Mark Vygus Egyptian dictionary there is no sign of copyright in it but the PDF is secured and cannot copy text and Vygus didn't respond to my email?

Edit:I have found Vygus dictionary uploaded on some Wiki so perhaps it is OK to use?

Also user Chris Troutman reported me as vandal because he given me enough warnings that is not true you can see my contributions that after 15:23 UTC is my last edit on Hathor page rest is on my talk page and Chris talk page.If you look at my talk page where Chris posted last three warnings it is in:15:47, 15:48, 15:49 UTC at that time I was mostly on Croatian Wikipedia and didn't see it.My Egyptian words are mostly from free Dickson dictionary which is creative commons license.You can look at Croatian Wikipedia Xand2 contributions and will see that after 15:48 I have only edited Croatian Wikipedia articles till 17:44 and on English Wikipedia only talk pages since then and he posted three warnings after 15:47 which I didn't see most in short time ranging from one to three minutes in which I didn't edit any English Wikipedia articles.I noticed after seeing that he have reported me as vandal that in his edit summary was warnings which I also didn't see.

Xand2 金日光旦照 (talk) 12:55, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

From the top...
  1. is dated 2006 and is CC-BY-NC-SA - no good for Wikipedia use (the NC is not allowed)
  2. is published in 1920, and the images of those page are therefore {{PD-US-1923-abroad}} and usuable
  3. is GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 - not suitable on it's own, we need CC, see GNU Free Documentation License and Wikipedia:GFDL
Hope that helps you a bit. How you use them in the article that looks good is more difficult - you really need to discus with the other authors for that answer. Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:07, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK although I don't understand why if it is out of copyright, if I understand correctly Budge's dictionaries can be used on Wikipedia in three years, how about these:

A Dictionary of Egyptian language McCauley 1883:

https://archive.org/details/jstor-1005403

OpenGlyph on Sourceforge probably GPL:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/openglyph/

JSesh for writing hieroglyphs also on Sourceforge:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/jsesh/?source=navbar

Also there is some problem in editing Wikipedia for example if I put new sentence in new row but when saved it is in same row this is a problem in writing more words for example this two sentences are each in new row but are displayed as in one but when there is empty row between it displays correctly:

This is example This is example

This is example

This is example

Also do you know if there is Wikipedia template for actual number of edits so far I could find only manually updated?Thanks.

Xand2 金日光旦照 (talk) 08:19, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Depends when they were published - US copyright on non-US works is a mess, anything post 1923 and pre 1977 is 95 years after publication Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights
  1. 1882 - {{PD-US}}
  2. Open Source software is licensed so you can download and use the software free-of-charge. That's not commercial re-use - I can only see "All Rights Reserved"
  3. GNU Library or Lesser General Public License version 2.0 (LGPLv2) - same as the first (3) - not good
A single line break is regarded as "whitespace" and gets removed. Wikipedia supports HTML tags - so to add a break use the simple closed break tag...
<br />      don't forget the space after the br - <br/> is not correct, neither is <br>, they may work but not always in future.
Hope that helps Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:21, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
So does that mean that I can use Egyptian Dictionary McCauley 1883 because it is before 1923.As for JSesh it is only for writing hieroglyphic text like Windows Wordpad. Xand2 金日光旦照 (talk) 08:02, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If it's published before 1923 - then it's Public Domain in the USA (where Wikipedia main servers are located). I don't see a copyright issue with it. There may be a content dispute with what other editors want, but copyright is not an issue. Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:05, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the information but I found that Wikipedia PD US 1923 abroad article from 2009 and does that mean that if it is after 1923 will never be public domain or in three to four years?I think that I have read somewhere on the internet that public domain is approximately anything older than 75 years? Xand2 金日光旦照 (talk) 19:18, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Made in UK, and copyright...
  • US - Published before 1923 - Public Domain
  • US - Published after 1923 and before 1977 - Date of Publication + 95 years
  • US - Published post 1997 - Date of author's death + 70 years
  • UK - Date of author's death + 70 years
Wallis Budge died in 1934
  • All UK copyright expired 1/1/2005 and is Public Domain in the UK
  • US anything published pre 1923 is Public Domain.
  • US any books published 1923 to 1934 have copyrights restored, and so will not be Public domain until 1/1/2019 to 1/1/2030.
Hope that make some sense - I said it was complicated. Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:45, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks I had some problems with my English Wikipedia signature when it was checked treat as wiki markup, some users wrote that I am not using signature although I did, you can see it on my and some other talk pages.I would like to use Wikihiero in signature for example:
sT5ra
sḥḏ to shine.That is not an image but wiki markup like < hiero > s-T5-ra < /hiero > Xand2 金日光旦照 (talk) 12:47, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, you cannot use images in signatures - Wikipedia:Signatures#Images - although the code is a wiki markup, the server is sending png files to render it - the line above is sent as...
<dd>Thanks I had some problems with my English Wikipedia signature when it was checked treat as wiki markup, some users wrote that I am not using signature although I did, you can see it on my and some other talk pages.I would like to use Wikihiero in signature for example:
<table class="mw-hiero-table mw-hiero-outer" dir="ltr">
<tbody><tr>
<td>
<table class="mw-hiero-table">
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<td><img style="margin: 1px;" src="//bits.wikimedia.org/static-1.25wmf10/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_S29.png" title="S29 [s]" alt="s" height="38"></td>
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C'ést la vie. Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:44, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of Foiwe

Hello,

Hope you are doing well. There was a page created by me on "Foiwe" (Company name: Foiwe Info Global Solutions). This is a legitimate and registered company as per Govt of India and this page was created for informative purpose only. I had provided various links to reputed magazines and other online portals to show that the company is genuine and legitimate. To ensure that the guidelines of Wikipedia is followed, we have referred wiki pages of reputed companies like Accenture and oracle. However, today when I was looking out for the page, I became aware that the page was deleted by you. I would request you to review your decision and restore the pages. If there are any issues, please let me know and I will do my best to get those fixed.

This page is very important, as any prospective employee who comes for interview is aware about the company and gather information about us. This enables them to take informative decision.

I hope you understand our position and would request you to help us to get it back. Please let me know if you need any additional information or references and I will be happy to assist you. Please do the needful.

The url to the page was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foiwe The company URL: http://www.foiwe.com

If you could mark a copy of your response to suman.howlader@foiwe.com it will be of great help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Renovez (talk • contribs) 14:54, 5 December 2014 (UTC) Cheers, Suman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Renovez (talk • contribs) 14:53, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Restored as "Contested PROD", don't be surprised if if ends up in a deletion process though. Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:26, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ron, It was very helpful. I have added one external link from 'Entrepreneur Year Book 2012' (http://www.siliconindia.com/yearbook/company/FoiweeInfoGlobalSolutionsLLP-catid-8-cid-84.html/2012) and will be able to provide few more soon. Please advise how can I stabilize the article so that it remains safe and does not go for deletion. Do I need to do anything to remove the article from 'contested PROD' and put under any other category or is it fine for the article to stay there? Please advise. Cheers, Suman — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.166.237.224 (talk) 06:42, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

While it remains in mainspace, then other editors will find it and maybe make a decision if it is worthy of staying. So the more improvements the better. The alternative route is to move it to draft space as Draft:Foiwe, and then use the WP:AfC reviewing process to get it approved - then if the review fails it does not get deleted - just left for more improvement. It can then only be deleted if not approved and unedited for 6 months. Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:10, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ron. I have added a reference from 'The Telegraph' Newspaper. Hope this helps. I will keep an eye on the article and if it gets highlighted again, I will add that for AFC. Cheers, Suman — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.12.36.66 (talk) 08:58, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Henry IV of England

Hello, Ronhjones, I'm translating Henry IV of England's life, and I can't get what does "tiret" mean. Could you please help me. Good contributions and thank you very much.Claudio Pistilli (talk) 14:51, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ha, history and French - my two worse subjects! English aristocracy used French for a long time, I therefore assume it's a French word. Strictly means "dash" - as in long hyphen. http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/tiret says could also mean small piece of parchment cut into long, twisted, used to put on and fasten papers ensemble (Google Translate). But, then I thought it could be a heraldic description - http://archive.org/stream/heraldryforcraft00hope/heraldryforcraft00hope_djvu.txt also http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=dmdsAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA1063&lpg=PA1063&dq=tiret+heraldry&source=bl&ots=THxmRL8uan&sig=kuOqu16kU1DDrR77e5uBxqnXwxM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=AUmDVIaaHomsUfqogAg&ved=0CEYQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=tiret%20heraldry&f=false. My guess therefore is looking at the context of the article, is some sore of coronet - maybe based on "tiara", but for a man. Good Luck. Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:33, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry that I've bothered you, and Thank you very much for your help. you are very gentle.Claudio Pistilli (talk) 01:08, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 03 December 2014

Hatta Fort Hotel - Image for Deletion

Hi Ron - Not quite sure what's happened here. Emailed permissions-en@wikimedia.org with confirmation from hotel's PR agency that the image was confirmed for CC BY-SA 4.0 on 30th November... Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:15, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

{{OTRS pending}} was applied to the image on 7 October 2014, we then allow at least a month for OTRS to process the e-mail (which we have to assume is sent when the OTRS pending template is applied). We waited until the 29 November 2014, and no e-mail was found, and thus was set for deletion. If the e-mail is subsequently sent, then OTRS will undelete the image when the permission has been approved. I just looked - it is in the queue for processing - ticket 2014113010002644 Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:35, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just checked, FWIW, the original mail to permissions-en@wikimedia.org was sent 7th October. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:39, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Alexandermcnabb: The only e-mail that has "Hatta Fort Hotel" in the text was Created: 30/11/2014 04:44. Maybe the name/url of the image was not in the e-mail of the 7 Oct - it happens all the time...! Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:33, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

picture deletion

Hello, You deleted a picture that was waiting for approval. I sent the necessary email giving permission to use on November 28th and then updated wikipedia with the necessary stamp on the image. Any insight/help on this? I thought I had done everything necessary. It was for the page of "Brent Poppen".

Thank you, Team 77Team 77 (talk) 18:38, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Team 77: You have to tag the image with {{OTRS pending}} when you send in the permission, as OTRS can take a month. I've restored it and added the banner - so there are now 30 days before that banner will flag up as overdue. Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:17, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I did that on December 1st. But thank you for restoring it. :) much appreciated.

Team 77 (talk) 20:22, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Toshack undelete

I am perplexed as to why Mike Toshack's page was deleted. He seems to be the only member of the Portland Timbers' coaching staff to not have a page. He is the keeper coach for the Timbers, which is a legitimately professional team. To say otherwise is fighting words! Vagabundus (talk) 19:58, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Rgathercoal: The Proposed deletion was uncontested. The reason given was "Fails WP:GNG and hasn't managed a fully pro team which means he also fails WP:NFOOTBALL". You can still contest it - see User:Ronhjones/DeletedPROD Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:21, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Danny Antonucci

Regarding this edit, any particular reason for the revert? I couldn't really see any issues beforehand. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:33, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@SNUGGUMS: WP:OR by Mr.Lama - reported at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&oldid=637393462. It may be OK, but if people don't add a reference and don't use the edit summary to explain their actions, then we have to view the edit as its stands. Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:41, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Just thought I'd ask. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:57, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Image question

McKinsey & Company would like to contribute an image of their Marginal Abatement Cost Curve to the article about them. This is a graph that correlates the costs of different environmental efforts to their overall impact on greenhouse gases. It's the focus of a sub-section of the article. There is no free alternative to the image, the graph itself representing a lot of intellectual property and whatnot. I was wondering if there was a non-free exception for something like this? CorporateM (Talk) 22:47, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, that's a bit of a grey area. Can I assume it's something like http://nigguraths.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mckinsey_mid_range_abatement_curve.jpg? I can't see anything like that free, it's a bit of an issue about how much copyright there is - some might claim c:template:PD-textlogo. Assuming one can claim some originality, then you are stuck with fair use for that image - that of course makes it a bit small - http://www.ronjones.org.uk/mckinsey_mid_range_abatement_curve.jpg is how the image will need to be at non-free sizing/resolution. However, the main problem is that it is "replaceable" - I could knock up a simple bar graph in Excel, and tart it up in PhotoShop to make something similar (but not exactly the same) in less than an hour or so - or even being very Wikipedia friendly, and just making a drawing of lots of rectangles in Scribus (or Inkscape) and exporting as an svg. So I would have to say that non-free is a non starter. So you either need a proper copyright release for the proper image, or just make something similar - enough to illustrate the function of the graph for the article. You could ask User:Stefan2 for his view - he's very good at shooting down invalid non-free image claims...! Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:21, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
FYI - I also finally uploaded this video of BabyFirst content, which you helped guide me through. I'm going to try to see if I can get the converter to lower the resolution a bit. CorporateM (Talk) 01:19, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@CorporateM: Do exactly 50% both ways - it will give the best picture and will be close enough to 100,000 pixels. Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:24, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

louis robinson rugby league

I object to the removal of the above page, it would appear you have deleted LOUIS ROBINSONS wikiapedia page, im unsure why that is, under your guidance notes he has played in the last 3 seasons 7 times for Canada in full internationals against USA and Jamacia in both USA and Canada, countries all who fall within the RLEF and RLIF, he would have played around 4 more games but his English club side were unwilling to release him midseason as it clashes with the domestic league season and they pay his wages.

He plays in the championship as a semi professional; he has played in the challenge cup for the last three seasons, another one of your guidelines. He is paid and contracted on a two season contract to the London skolars who play in the div one of the kingstone press championship. Under the 12 super league teams, there are only 3/4 team full time professional teams in the two next divisions, it is a march till october sport. The cooperative championship no longer exists and hasnt for a season so your guidelines are out of date, This season he has turned down 4 new offers to stay in london including two to go full time, and two offers to play in France this winter, he is only one of two semi professional internationals to play for Canada, so is a big part of there rugby league heritage being only one of two overseas semi pros All of history and claims were backed by factual links to trade papers and independent SPORT AND RUGBY websites, the site was updated on a regular basis, with accuarate and factually correct information. should you require any further information please contact me,

http://www.skolarsrl.com/2014/12/10/canadian-international-robinson-re-signs/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wisezola (talk • contribs) 15:58, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Restored as a contested PROD Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:10, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Emily Schooley

Hello Ronhjones. Thank you for speaking to the editor on the above mentioned article. There are particular editors that have been troublesome to a lot of previous editors during the previous AfD's and I myself left a message on Sadfatandalones page and explain to them in a very WP:Civil tone on how to go about the re-establishment of the AfD deleted article. It is evident that this previous editor is the subject themselves so it would be recommended that we watch the movements of these edits. Again thanks for chiming in! --Canyouhearmenow 22:16, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hang on a second Canyouhearmenow... there is no evidence whatsoever that Sadfatandalone is Schooley, at least, not on-wiki. I think there's little doubt that they're a fan of Schooley, and maybe a personal friend... but it's a stretch to say categorically that they are Schooley. Also, I wouldn't agree that they've been troublesome to many people, and I'm one of the legitimate editors whom they've directly disagreed with! Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 22:54, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not worried either way. If they want it userfied, then that's fine with me - but I think the only way for it to stay is to then go through WP:AfC. Yes there is always the possibility that it will be skipped and moved direct to article space - it was done before and lasted... not very long (1.5 days to be exact!). With so much history, many editors will have it on their watch page, and as soon as it hits main article space, they will all know, and will be along PDQ to review it. Hence the need to go through WP:AfC - that is the only way it will ever get approved and stay (assuming enough data can be found). Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:24, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Lukeno94 I wasn't speaking of Sadfatandalone as being Schooley. I was talking about the editor in the original AfD. I was saying that we need to watch that we do not run into a problem with the whoever was the original editor as it was brought up in the AfD that it was suspected that the originator was actually the subject. I put on Sadfatandalone's page a message as to how to go about re-establishing the article with a better chance of getting it through if they found better sources. I do see where part of my original message is missing so I must have accidentally moved my cursor and deleted my text. I have clarified what I was meaning to say.--Canyouhearmenow 03:44, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:Marco Tiggelaar - Shenzhen, China cropped02.jpg

Marco Tiggelaar, the owner of the photo, sent an email to permissions-en@wikimedia.org on November 30, 2014 giving express permission to use his photo. This was his message:
"This is to certify that I have given permission to publish the following photograph files on Creative Commons/Wikipedia under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 license: (1) Marco Tiggelaar - Shenzhen, China.jpg; (2) Marco Tiggelaar - Shenzhen, China cropped01.jpg; (3) Marco Tiggelaar - Shenzhen, China cropped02.jpg."
That was before the deadline expired. Why was it deleted? What should be done to put it back? Kaguchi (talk) 13:47, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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