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This is kind of a left-field question...and it's not necessarily Wikipedia-related,it might be more of a larger, ethical-edge issue. But it comes after years of trying to talk my kids out of listening to music that was clearly pirated. Supposing a Youtube song video is preceded by ads sponsored by what seem like major corporations? Home Depot or similar? Can we assume these were approved by the artist or the music publishing company that holds the rights? No hurry - it's just that I can't figure it out from G-searches. Hope you're enjoying spring, Novickas (talk) 17:38, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- (talk page stalker) Can we assume they were approved? I would say not based on the ads preceding the video. The only time I think it would be safe to assume the publisher is involved is if the account posting the video is the official account for the artist/publisher/rights-holder, and even then it is tricky to confirm that: anyone can create an account called "Official <artist name>" which will stay there until someone discovers and reports it. CrowCaw 17:26, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks, Crow. I agree with you. Novickas, like many websites, Youtube maintains a passive approach to copyright issues. While Wikipedia has processes to clean up copyright issues no matter who identifies them, Youtube responds to copyright issues only when the copyright owner points them out. I'm no expect on advertising on YouTube, but it's my understanding that people who upload videos may choose to monetize them with streaming ads and that these ads are targeted to the geographical location of users, so it's not so much that an advertiser is sponsoring a specific video as the video uploader has opened the door to ads and the person viewing the video fits the demographic. YouTube may demand proof of commercial rights to content in videos prior to placing ads, but they may not. I did a quick search for "full album", as these are almost always copyvios on YouTube and found an Avenged Sevenfold album hosted by a person who openly acknowledges "this is not my music...it is property of A7x...i did not make any of it...i just put it together", and that video is fronted by an ad. After watching said ad, I reloaded the video--and got a different ad. :) I doubt the advertisers have any real idea what videos they're fronting - it's far more by the numbers than that, I think. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:26, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks, Crow and Ms. M. It wasn't the answer I was hoping for :( but it's better to know. Regards, Novickas (talk) 16:00, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. I mentioned you and your advice at User talk:Gamaliel and User talk:Adam Cuerden - about the user we were talking about, user:WPPilot's edits. Gamaliel is one of the main editors on Signpost and Adam is main editor responsible for Featured content at Signpost. I pointed out the issue in both places. I don't know if I succeded to explain how the correct attribution has to be done. I don't know that either. If it has to be done in the edit summary, then it is too late now. WPPilot is ideffed now, so I guess somebody else has to do this now. Hafspajen (talk) 17:09, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Hello, Hafspajen. Anyone can fix this. :) What needs to be done is a null edit on page(s) with a note in edit summary noting the copying and wikilinking the source article. Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia talks more about it. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:57, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- OK, I am confused now, Moonriddengirl. As I generally was; for the last month. What you are telling me here is that (list all possible things: )
- 1) there is not a problem here?
- 2) that I should fix it?
- 3) that I should ask someone to do it?
- 4) That I should ... do .. what...?
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- Hi, Hafspajen. Sorry for confusing you. What I'm saying is that any problem that there is here based on copying from one Wikipedia page to another without required attribution is reparable, in a process described at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia and that you are certainly able to help repair it. :) There is no one whose responsibility it is to repair such issues unless it is the editor who made the mistake, and you say he is indefinitely blocked. Like everything on Wikipedia, it relies on the labors of volunteers. You can ask others to repair it if you like, but honestly whether they do it or not is likely to depend on their interest and their capacity. Some have one but not the other; others have neither. We've got a perpetual backlog in copyright cleanup (I bet we have literally hundreds of thousands of articles waiting for review), and I know of no copyright clerks or admins who are likely to have capacity themselves to pursue this particular cleanup project on their own. You can request a WP:CCI if you think the issue is extensive enough, but that's where the backlog largely is - so I'm afraid that if a CCI is opened, it isn't likely to be quick. :( --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:49, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, there IS already one investigation open, maybe it can be simply added... here- (?) I think if I ever return, (this is just cleanup edits) I probably start working on copyright issues.... User:Crow was trying already to involve me here. Sigh. Hafspajen (talk) 22:04, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, think I understand- null edit can be done by adding and then deleting a space (as fas as I remember). Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 22:13, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, Xanthomelanoussprog, thanks. :) Hafspajen, the page you link to is on the process board for single article issues. If you think the issue is widespread enough to merit a community-run copyright cleanup, please review WP:CCI and request assistance there. That said, again, that process is backlogged; there are investigations that have been open for years. If issues can be handled without that, it's certainly better. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:18, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- With the risk of soundig stupid: I always believed that copyvio was not allowed. I thought that was a serious issue, that it was taken seriously. I tryied for a long time now to explain this to both for the user, with very little sucess, to the Signpost main editors, with very moderate sucess. I thought it was a serious issue... maybe I was wrong? Hafspajen (talk) 23:02, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Hafspajen, based on what above are you concluding that copyvio is allowed or is not taken seriously? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 23:11, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Maybe I am only tired and sad. Maybe I don't understand this. I was fighting this issue for too long. What I understood now, that it is only one person's responsability: the person who actually commited copivio. The others may or may not care: "likely to depend on their interest and their capacity". I understand this as: yes, there is a copvio issue here. I think this is clear. From here onward I don't understand how to handle it. Possibly we don't need to do nothing at all? Hafspajen (talk) 00:32, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hafspajen, with a site like Wikipedia, we are all volunteers, and people who choose to take responsibility are the responsible parties. I can share your frustration and weariness, but I have no magic solution. :) The best I can do is tell you how to request review at the appropriate forum if you don't want to fix the problem yourself (that's WP:CCI). I wish I had the capacity to shoulder this and all the other copyright problems that come Wikipedia's way, but I don't. Due to issues in my personal life, my time volunteering is sadly truncated, and I spend almost every minute I have on here working on copyright problems. (I miss the days when I wrote an article every other day. Those were good times. :)) I know that there other volunteers who are similarly sinking in copyright work. Just look at the number of names we have listed at Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations. People care and care quite deeply, but there's just so few of us and so much to do. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:32, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Maybe I should start my springcleaning working with that Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations... I might became wiser after a while ... who knows. Thank you for your patiece. Hafspajen (talk) 00:36, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, Hafspajen, if would be wonderful to have more hands over there. Every so often, I post an appeal somewhere - usually on AN - and every person who picks up the work helps! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:44, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, OK. I can't promise anything 100%, I need to re-think this for let's say some weeks. For just two days ago I felt nothing is keeping me here any more... I stopped caring for most of the things I have done here. But this issue is interesting me enough now. Hafspajen (talk) 00:50, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- MRG, Hafspajen, I am just this far from asking for a CCI for WPP – he has four strikes that I know of, and I haven't finished looking. I don't know what the problem is here, but if a CCI would help then I'll go ahead and request one (but tomorrow ...). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 01:35, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Justlettersandnumbers: WPP wrote entries on the Featured Content page of the Signpost by cutting and pasting from the articles. There's probably very little trace left, as a lot was rewritten by others (sometimes it didn't make sense!) He restricted himself in the main to the Featured Pictures section. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 06:01, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
At the top of every issue of the featured content report, it says This Signpost "Featured content" report covers material promoted to featured status from [date] to [date]. Text may be adapted from the respective articles and lists; refer to their page histories for attribution.
I'm getting a bit annoyed. Under my watch, FC turned from something where everything was copy-pasted blindly to where most things are rewritten. I changed the header because consistency with using quotes to attribute wasn't happening, but, otherwise, I think we've been managing fairly high-quality reports for a while.
I'm seriously considering giving it up, because Hafspajen has been deoing everything in their power to fling drama everywhere. Misquoting me, quoting me out of context, trying to pull me into disputes.
I'm largely on wikibreak, and I'm still having to deal with major wikidrama, and it's been going on for months. I cannot handle this.
Hafspajen: Drop the stick and step away. Please. This would have blown over three months ago if you hadn't made it your sole crusade to keep bringing it up over and over. And not to Gamaliel or anyone who could do anything, but to as many formerly unconnected people as you could drag in.
I don't ask for a lot of time off of Wikipedia. But when I am taking time off, it would be nice if I wasn't getting constantly pulled into squabbles anyway through being tagged, pulled in, criticized for not doing things when I'm not freaking here and, worst, regularly misquoted and made out to have opinions I don't have.
I wanted two months where I could just spend the little time I had for Wikipedia making sure Featured content worked, so I could spend time with my mother. What happens? Constant drama as Hafspajen actively picks a fight with another FC contributor, then brings people into it until he reacts, and they can use that as reason to ban him, throwing in a few other issues which never get discussed with him as everyone's rushing to help Hafs who started it.
I didn't want to say anything, but that it's still going on, and Hafs is actively opening new threads everywhere still is getting ridiculous. I have an anxiety disorder, and I don't want freaking Wikipedia to be causing me anxiety on top of everything else. Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:59, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I concern with what Adam has said here. At no point did this user communicate to myself or User:Go Phightins! or User:The ed17 any problems they had with the way FC was being composed. In fact, they have steadfastly refused to participate in any attempt on our part to address the interpersonal issues they had with other FC contributors. This is clearly motivated by this interpersonal drama. Gamaliel (talk) 15:48, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- That may be true (I'm on the sidelines here) but it's immaterial. Anxiety attacks can be prevented by properly following the license in the first place, which means proper attribution. So one way or another this needs to be fixed; it were better if it hadn't happened in the first place but that train has left the station. Drmies (talk) 21:22, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I carefully made sure that it was clear the Signpost recycled some material. Also, you not using your admin powers against someone you were too involved with (as evidenced by your bizarre claims of promotion) has also left the station. I think you should lose your adminship. But I'm done here Adam Cuerden (talk) 22:21, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you. But that works out, cause I don't know what you're talking about either--"promotion"? But there's a CCI in the works, if it hasn't already happened, which means, simply put, that you are wrong. Now, feel free to bring my adminship up at AN: please put your money where your mouth is, or just shut up with your unfounded accusations. Drmies (talk) 00:56, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Drmies_and_WPPilot Adam Cuerden (talk) 02:03, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Moonriddengirl: As a minor point of possible interest, you don't mean a null edit, you mean a dummy edit. — Mudwater (Talk) 02:24, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks, Mudwater. :)
- As to everything else above, I'm really a bit overwhelmed here and quite dismayed by the level of distress this situation (which seems to be larger than I know) is causing. I deal with copyright issues. These can become very heated and very personal, especially in areas where copyright & plagiarism get confused. They aren't the same thing at all. It is entirely possible to have a copyright problem with no plagiarism and it is equally possible to plagiarize without copyright infringement. Copyright is a legal question; plagiarism is a social one. With this particular situation, my involvement is simply on the question of best practices. With regards to WP:CWW, there are reasons, when taking is substantial, that it's a good idea to put a note in edit summary. (IANAL. This is my lay understanding.) Our licenses both require that attribution be given equitably in terms of prominence and placement. CC-By-SA notes that "at a minimum such credit will appear, if a credit for all contributing authors of the Adaptation or Collection appears, then as part of these credits and in a manner at least as prominent as the credits for the other contributing authors" and GFDL requires that the History section include new authors. Because of our TOU, our authors consent to be attributed by wikilink rather than by names, which simplifies this considerably. The question arises around when contributions are substantial. I can quote a sentence from, say, WP:NPOV without putting a note in the edit summary linking to NPOV. There's no plagiarism, because I'm quoting. I'm not misleading people into thinking that the text is my own. There's no copyright issue, because the taking is not substantial; what I'm doing falls well within fair use. The more substantial the content becomes, and the more central to what I'm saying, the higher the burden of giving equal prominence to attribution of those authors. Whether an excerpt from an individual article would require that level of attribution is something only a court could determine; there's no hard and fast rules at all to determine when use is fair. Edit summaries are cheap. It's easy to eliminate doubt, so that these larger excerpts don't risk skirting the line.
- But this is not, in my firm opinion, a moral issue. When any effort is made at attribution, you're clearly dealing with good faith, and there is certainly room for intelligent disagreement on questions of copyright. If there weren't, there wouldn't be so many court cases related to it. This particular problem, at least, seems to me like the kind of thing we should be able to discuss calmly, without people being upset or feeling harassed. This makes me feel like there must be more going on here than I understand - not just with WPPilot, as it's quite clear there's more there, but in general. And I'm so sorry to see unhappiness and ill-will among people who are just doing their best to build a great encyclopedia. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:18, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I noticed that you removed some text from this article which was copied from the website of the organisation. I think I can send a permission about this text, as I am working for this organisation. Would it be OK? I am a long term editor here. Regards, Yann (talk) 17:03, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi, Yann. Absolutely! :) I know you know your way around Commons, so I'm sure you're familiar with Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries. They can also put a release on the site itself, of course. We recommend in that case getting the release archived so that we don't ever run into lost permission later. {{Text release}} is the way to go in that case. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:09, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
About my articles
Thank you for informing me about all the facts about copyright and etc. Yes, I apologise from all of you that, I had some problems in the past about copyrights of some photos and few articles. I think, all of them due to lacking knowledge about those stuff, because most of them did when I was just became a wikipedian very early times. But, now I have fixed all those wrong things and only my words are writing on created pages and existing pages. It is true that I got facts from many books, online newspapers, journals and other audio visual media, but I didn't cut and paste them. I photographed the photos that I uploaded now, but there were few incidents very early that I get directly from internet. But now, I can assure that recent photos that I uploaded are photographed by me. But, I never paste articles recently anywhere, only with my writing skills, I created the pages. So, apologize about previous copyright violations, but it will not be again.
Thank You...(Gihan Jayaweera)
Hi, MRG. I was just looking at the Morton Gould article, and came across the Library of Congress page for his collection there. As part of it, there's a striking publicity photo dating from 1963, which has more information about it here. It doesn't seem to fall under the staff photo exceptions listed here, so I assume it's still under copyright. There's currently a photo in the article dating from later in his life (1980s?) - do you think adding a second non-free photo would be excessive? Thanks. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 03:23, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi, User:SarekOfVulcan. :) I wish that I could help, but I'm afraid that I'm really not the one to ask about that; I'm not active at all in fair use image questions and have not uploaded a fair use image of living person in years because of my own confusion about our community standards. I have no clue whether that would be regarded as reasonable or not. If it were me, I'd take it to WT:NFC just to get other opinions, I think. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:25, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok. Thanks for your help! :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:52, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hanswar32 (talk · contribs) is the subject of an edit-warring report that was archived without response from any admin, and only a single and brief response from any non-involved editors.
You had blocked him, and then removed the block after he promised, "I understand that I have been blocked for edit warring which I shall avoid in the future. Please note that I'm relatively new to Wikipedia and still getting familiar with my surroundings. Instead I will seek to resolve disputes through the avenues outlined and provided for me."
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- Hi Moonriddengirl, please note that Ronz has grossly and in what seems bad-faith, mischaracterized and falsely portrayed all those diffs cited to achieve whatever personal ends he has in mind. I adequately defended myself against his half-truths and whole-lies in the report above and it would be pointless to redo that here, so please have a look and pay particular attention to the last few posts in which Ronz desperately and shamelessly tries to prolong the discussion with frivolous and unfounded claims. Although I'm disgusted by Ronz' behavior and have in fact warned him on his talkpage for his seemingly continuous obsession/harassment [18], I'm actually not disappointed in the least that he contacted you because of my respect for you as a reasonable admin. If anything, I hope you can advise me on how to prevent Ronz from continuing to harass me. Thank you. Hanswar32 (talk) 18:29, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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