Talk:Smile PreCure!

remove glitter force names

Overall, including all the names and differences all over in parenthesis "( )" lowers the style of the page and lessens its readability, while possibly confusing some. Also, I believe glitter force should gets its own page. The story has MANY changes, not the least of which is cutting out more than half the episodes. With all the changes, there may be discrepancies in what is SMPC and what is glitter force, where some may put glitter force information on the smile Precure page when it does not, in fact, follow along with the SMPC storyline. For example, in episode one of glitter force, it is stated the main character can fly. In SMPC, it is just the ability to jump high. With both pages seemingly combined, information in the flying might be put here instead of on a separate page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.230.38.58 (talk) 13:46, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Names were changed to the Glitter Force names per MOS:ANIME. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:50, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Source for character names

Currently the only known source for the following character names is a photograph of a flyer that was sent to the Toy manufacturers that's been circulating on the internet. We know based on that flyer that the character names are:

Miyuki Hoshizora (星空みゆき, Hoshizora Miyuki) / Cure Happy (キュアハッピー, Kyua Happī)

Akane Hino (日野あかね, Hino Akane) / Cure Sunny (キュアサニー, Kyua Sanī)

Yayoi Kise (黄瀬やよい, Kise Yayoi) / Cure Peace (キュアピース, Kyua Pīsu)

Nao Midorikawa (緑川なお, Midorikawa Nao) / Cure March (キュアマーチ, Kyua Māchi)

Reika Aoki (青木れいか, Aoki Reika) / Cure Beauty (キュアビューティ, Kyua Byūti)

However, the known places this photo has been posted are not considered reliable sources, therefor the information can't yet be included in the article. The photograph in question is known to be posted at http://sep.2chan.net/dec/18/src/1324164819277.jpg --PrecureJunkie (talk) 10:06, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

So I did some research, and here's the deal: We know the photograph is legitimate, however the photograph is of a page in a trade magazine which is not available to the general public (only to toy merchandisers and licensees). If the source is not available to the general public, it is not considered a reliable source per Wikipedia's guidelines. See WP:RS. --PrecureJunkie (talk) 10:20, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

In addition to Toei's or Asahi's websites, an article or photo spread published in a publicly available magazine such as (but not limited to) NewType or one of the Japanese children's magazines would be considered an acceptable source. Such a source should be cited as a physical publication and not as a link to scans or photos of said publication. This is also detailed on WP:RS. --PrecureJunkie (talk) 20:30, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Well Nakayoshi is one of the best sources, so better add that since some issues reveal more info.--Blackgaia02 (Talk if you're Worthy) (talk) 11:05, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's why the "but not limited to". I suspect Nakayoshi is where the photos came from that started circulating the middle of this last week, which would make great sources, but they don't include enough of the page to identify the source, and none of the places I've seen posting it say that's where it came from. --PrecureJunkie (talk) 16:10, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

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English voice actors

The Netflix series is released today. However, the closing credits do not list the English voice actors by role. It does for all the other languages, which is rather weird. Anyway, will need a news article to confirm those. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:39, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Cast is Laura Bailey, Kate Higgins, Alex Cazares, Colleen O'Shaughnessey, Danielle Nicole, Debi Derryberry, Mary Elizabeth McGlynn, Patrick Seitz, and Keith Silverstein. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:42, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Omitting credits seems to be a trend lately (for example, the Danganronpa games don't list the English cast) and we often have to go on the actors themselves confirming their roles on social media. We probably don't need to put "(uncredited)" on every single entry, though. Wonchop (talk) 22:20, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Curiously enough, the end of episode 20 on Netflix lists voice credits for all languages except the English version. Wonchop (talk) 02:28, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

It lists the other languages on each of the episodes. Just not the English. Totally weird. It even lists McGlynn as the director. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 06:17, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

The way it stands, not even the Japanese voice actors are confirmed anymore as an IP decided to remove my source from the article, and there is rampant original research voice mapping of the English voice actors. I'll have to wait on 3RR or the dispute to put those back unless someone wants to boldly restore that work. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:48, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Remove glitter force names

Overall, including all the names and differences all over in parenthesis "( )" lowers the style of the page and lessens its readability, while possibly confusing some. Also, I believe glitter force should gets its own page. The story has MANY changes, not the least of which is cutting out more than half the episodes. With all the changes, there may be discrepancies in what is SMPC and what is glitter force, where some may put glitter force information on the smile Precure page when it does not, in fact, follow along with the SMPC storyline. For example, in episode one of glitter force, it is stated the main character can fly. In SMPC, it is just the ability to jump high. With both pages seemingly combined, information in the flying might be put here instead of on a separate page. — User:pokeswap Pokeswap (talk) 13:53, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Um, yeah no. These changes are definitely not enough to warrant seperate articles, as it's pretty much routine stuff for kids show dubs (character names, localization, cut content, etc.) It's like asking us to make seperate articles covering all the 4kids dubs of Yu-Gi-Oh!. It ain't gonna happen. Wonchop (talk) 22:19, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

While I can understand your basis of not wishing to fork the information about Glitter Force over into a new page; do you think it might help readability and help people differentiate the two if we went ahead and untangled all the information about Glitter Force itself into it's own subsection that explains that it's originated from the Smile Precure anime and goes into perhaps more detail about the differences between the two? Because I honestly think Glitter Force being an adaptation does deserve at least some mention and some differentiation even if the base video component of the animation is from the article topic. Further I think if it hasn't already been done; we could just redirect the Glitter Force page itself to this one to discourage unwitting editors from creating the new page and have it redirect here to this article to the paragraph or subsection about Glitter Force. Personally I think that simply splitting the two and making them distinct; while sharing the same article would help to flesh it out a bit; as there's not a lot of content here right now. If this is not something too controversial, I'd like to see some attention given to the differences so that people aren't unfairly writing off Glitter Force because it's not notable enough for it's own article yet. ♥ Melody ♥ 08:50, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

The episodes that were "cut" can be formatted as with List of Sailor Moon episodes (season 1), where a column can be used to support the Netflix version. Details such as flying vs. jumping high should be supported by some third-party reviews, not original research. But yes, Glitter Force should redirect to here anyway. Netflix is using a studio that hires regularly voicing anime actors anyway like Laura Bailey and Kate Higgins. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:10, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

English and Japanese names

Why are the English names before the Japanese names? Shouldn't it be the other way around since the Japanese version came out first? --Snawple (talk) 06:59, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

It seems we're prepping this to focus on the Glitter Force version as per the general dubbing rules (ie. when an English localization comes up, English names take priority). I'm guessing people were hesitant about doing this originally since it's part of the larger Precure franchise, but dem's the breaks. Wonchop (talk) 12:17, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Btw I've updated the character descriptions and episode summaries with the correct names, so you're free to shift articles to Glitter Force when ready. Wonchop (talk) 14:08, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 23 December 2015

Smile Pretty Cure! → Glitter Force – The anime show Smile PreCure! is being marketed under the name Glitter Force in the English and multiple-language localizations that were produced by Saban and distributed by Netflix worldwide. Per MOS:ANIME, "Use the most commonly known English titles for article names and place the transliteration of the Japanese on the first line of the article. If that name includes special characters (such as ♥), do not include them in the article's title. If it is translated, this is usually the official English translation. If there are multiple official titles, use the one that is best known and that has contributed most to the work's becoming known in the broader English-speaking world. This applies to series, character articles, and fictional element articles. See also: WP:NAME: TV | Books | Films." Since the worldwide character names are all based on the English adaptation, and this is for English Wikipedia, it would be suitable to orient the article and its title to the English version as done on many anime shows before. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:57, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Comment If the consensus is use the Japanese name, then this will need to be technically moved to Smile PreCure! AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:29, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Comment The related manga and video games were produced after the anime. As they have no English counterparts, there is no precedent on setting titles or character names (as with Yu-Gi-Oh!) prior to the anime. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:38, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Approve: Most of the people against the move seem to be very much in the subs vs. dubs mindset which isn't particularly Wikipedia appropriate behavior. I understand that it's part of a well-known franchise, but if this is gonna be it's official title, that's the way it's got to be. Wonchop (talk) 21:08, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Disapprove Smile Pretty Cure is the original series not Glitter Force, it may be dubbed in many lagnuages as glitter force but its ot the original and if you change the name to glitter force you make it sound like the original which is false.......People aren't agaisnt it becase of the subs vs dubs their against it because you're tossing aside the original series for the english dub, im sorry but thats not right. Fallenangelluce (talk) 21:55, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

• Support the oppostion goes again Wikipedia standards as well as common practice. Unlees they plan to also move Case Closed O-Parts Hunter Tramps like us, as well as every entry of the Resident Evil, Ace Attorney, and Pokemon video game series I don't see why this should be any different. In short it is not the English language Wikipeda does not consider using the officially announced English name as wrong snd that is unlikely to be the consensus here.--174.91.185.27 (talk) 23:37, 23

December 2015 (UTC)

AgainstGlitter Force is missing information and has wrong information in the actual show itself. It may be the official English version, but it is part of a large franchise and the s=name should show that. Besides i'm pretty sure more people know about Smile Precure!, if im looking for information about this Precure series im not going type in Glitter Force 86.190.77.73 (talk) 00:52, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

If you are concerned about what it would look like in the navbox, the show should display both titles. SMPC would redirect to the article, and it would also retain any untranslated episodes. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:56, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

I never said anything about the navbox, i was talking about in general — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.190.77.73 (talk) 01:30, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Why would the article have wrong or missing information? We are not removing content unless it is of course unsourced in the first place. If it is missing, it would be missing, regardless of what the article is titled. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:03, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Actually no it would not, the information from the original series is more reliable than what comes from the dub but you can't use that information if you base it off glitter force. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.190.77.73 (talk) 02:16, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Erf, it seems like the article pre-exists being well-known, and we have yet to see if Glitter Force has contributed the most. It has for me, but... 2601:1C2:4100:EE32:1133:E702:98DC:9ADB (talk) 03:54, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Revert Back to smile precure

i understand that you want to make glitter force the main article but one you've had many comments about people being against it and two it isn't the original series to begin with smile precure is! The way the article is written makes it sound like Glitter force is the original series and as far as im aware glitter force isnt followed by doki doki precure. The english and japanese versions are the main ones so keep the info for those but put the info for the original series first!!!! Fallenangelluce (talk) 21:49, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't see the mass disapproval about renaming the page. I see disapproval about the confusion over leaving both name versions splattered all over the articles, and that only 20 episodes have been dubbed with some episodes to be skipped. Neither of these should affect the worldwide-released product. That the series was partially released and then halted doesn't mean we should revert Kodocha to Kodomo no Omocha or Saint Tail to Kaitou Saint Tail. If there is significant activity to release the original Smile PreCure with the original names in the English world, as with what was done with Cardcaptor Sakura after Cardcaptors was released, or with Initial D then it can go back. But I don't see it. I see the show going forward with the new names. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:07, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

......But glitter force is not original series the original series should be credited and have its own page not the dub, the dub can be mentioned because its an english wiki but having Smile pretty cure as the main focus makes more sense since its the original series, with the original episodes and the original number of episodes .Glitter force isnt succeeded by doki doki precure like your making out, but smile precure is. Half the info your putting up is jumbled because its meant to go with the original series, which is not glitter force, instead of chanign why not just follow the same format as futari wa pretty cure?Because unless you havent noticed thats a precure series and it was dubbed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

However there is no rule on Wikipedia stating that a dubbed version can't be the title.--174.91.185.27 (talk) 23:46, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

but its not the original title and it really looks out of place in the template for precure series

Once again where is the rule that we have to use original titles only?--174.91.185.27 (talk) 01:45, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

original titles are better especially when they come from a large franchise where only two series are dubbed and the orignal series that was dubbed got to keep its original japanese name on the wiki

Yes but this is the article for one of the nine series not the overall freanchise which no one is suggesting be renamed Glitter Force.--67.68.23.129 (talk) 04:20, 24 December 2015 (UTC)