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Introduction section was edited to make article misleading. Introoduction part should describe the nature of the conflict and oposing forces. The information about opositioon was deleted on 1st November and introduction only describes Government forces. The follwing section should be reincluded into intrduction:

The armed opposition consists of various groups that were either formed during the course of the conflict or joined from abroad. In the north-west of the country, the main opposition faction is the al-Qaeda-affiliated al-Nusra Front allied with numerous other smaller Islamist groups, some of which operate under the umbrella of the Free Syrian Army (FSA).[1] The designation of the FSA by the West as a moderate opposition faction allows it, under the CIA-run programmes,[2][3][4] to receive sophisticated weaponry and other military support from the U.S. and some Gulf countries that effectively increases the total fighting capacity of the Islamist rebels.[5][6] In the east, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), a jihadist militant group originating from Iraq, made rapid military gains in both Syria and Iraq. ISIL eventually came into conflict with other rebels, especially with Al-Nusra, leaders of which did not want to pledge allegiance to ISIL. By July 2014, ISIL controlled a third of Syria's territory and most of its oil and gas production, thus establishing itself as the principal anti-government force.[7] As of 2015, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey are openly backing the Army of Conquest, an umbrella rebel group that reportedly includes an al-Qaeda linked al-Nusra Front and another Salafi coalition known as Ahrar ash-Sham, and Faylaq Al-Sham, a coalition of Muslim Brotherhood-linked rebel groups.[8][9][10] Also, in the north-east, local Kurdish militias such as the YPG have taken up arms and have fought with both rebel Islamist factions[11] and government loyalists.[12]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.70.4.126 (talk) 21:04, 6 November 2015‎ (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "FSA brigade 'joins al-Qaeda group' in Syria - Al Jazeera English". aljazeera.com. Retrieved 21 October 2015.
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference larger was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  3. ^ Cite error: The named reference covert was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. ^ Cite error: The named reference trim was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  5. ^ Nabih Bulos (22 September 2015). "US-trained Division 30 rebels 'betray US and hand weapons over to al-Qaeda's affiliate in Syria'". The Telegraph. London.
  6. ^ "Syria rebels and TOW missiles - Business Insider – Saudi Arabia just replenished Syrian rebels with one of the most effective weapons against the Assad regime". businessinsider.com. Retrieved 21 October 2015.
  7. ^ Patrick Cockburn. Isis consolidates
  8. ^ Kim Sengupta (12 May 2015). "Turkey and Saudi Arabia alarm the West by backing Islamist extremists the Americans had bombed in Syria". The Independent. London.
  9. ^ "Gulf allies and ‘Army of Conquest’". Al-Ahram Weekly. 28 May 2015.
  10. ^ "'Army of Conquest' rebel alliance pressures Syria regime". Yahoo News. 28 April 2015.
  11. ^ Cite error: The named reference fr-kurdes-chassent-des-jihadistes was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  12. ^ Cite error: The named reference pydkills was invoked but never defined (see the help page).


Syrian Turkmen Brigades, Turkmen Mountain ,Syrian Turkmen Assembly and Bayırbucak ,

The Sultan Murat Brigades took control of the villages on Azaz-Jarablus front in northern Aleppo province alongside troops from the Damascus Front, a group fighting ISIL and regime forces. Turkmen seize Syrian villages controlled by ISIL

National Coalition of Syrian Revolution and Opposition Forces Turkman Component of the Syrian National Coalition

Since Russia began air strikes on the Turkmen mountains in north-west Syria last month, nearly 5,000 people from the country's ethnic Turkmen minority have fled their homes. Many have crossed the border into Turkey's Hatay province, their plight overshadowed by a diplomatic row between Turkey and Russia.The Syrian Turkmen taking flight from Russian bombing

Provided evidence of the support of the Turkish military forces (for artillery fire large caliber) and the purchase oil off the terrorists.)

Provided evidence of the support of the Turkish military forces (for artillery fire large caliber) and the purchase oil off the terrorists.)

Jump up ^ https://russian.rt.com/article/145541 Jump up ^ http://lifenews.ru/news/182947 Jump up ^ http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1579521/video/

Rojava should be placed on the same side as the Syrian government

162.221.125.161 (talk) 01:39, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Kurds are fighting for an autonomous, if not completely independent, state that the Syrian government has repeatedly refused to grant or recognize. So no, they're not on the same side, even if they have an uneasy coexistence in some areas. -Kudzu1 (talk) 02:47, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. They share the same enemies (ISIS, Turkey, FSA fractions) and some of the goals. The only difference is that Kurds are pursuing autonomy/independence and they are unlikely to operate outside Kurdish areas. Otherwise they cooperate quite well. The SDF is dominated by YPG and even though some minor member groups were fighting SAA, these events aren't too significant. The split between Assad and Kurdish forces, once ISIS is defeated, seems to be very likely but we aren't here to predict future. TL;DR: Yes, merge them.--Emesik (talk) 08:48, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong. The Kurds have clashed with both Rebel factions and the Syrian government on a number of occasions. There was even an incident this year where a Pro-Assad militia ended up provoking a fight with the Kurds that left several dead and injured, including civilians. Plus, in recent offensives around Aleppo, the Kurds and the Syrian military wouldn't let each other cross their lines, and several checkpoints had to be set up in order to prevent fights from breaking out. The Kurds are fighting for themselves in the civil war. They have their own reasons to fight, and have their own goals, which sets them apart from other sides in this conflict. Anasaitis (talk) 19:19, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

With time, as the Turks keep pounding the Kurds while NATO ignores it, the Kurds will probably be forced into a more direct alliance with the government and the Russians, but not quite yet. FunkMonk (talk) 21:01, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

More Honesty Needed in the Reporting of Syria

The media are misleading the public on Syria

“…Americans are said to be ignorant of the world. We are, but so are people in other countries. If people in Bhutan or Bolivia misunderstand Syria, however, that has no real effect. Our ignorance is more dangerous, because we act on it. The United States has the power to decree the death of nations. It can do so with popular support because many Americans — and many journalists — are content with the official story. In Syria, it is: “Fight Assad, Russia, and Iran! Join with our Turkish, Saudi, and Kurdish friends to support peace!” This is appallingly distant from reality. It is also likely to prolong the war and condemn more Syrians to suffering and death.” Stephen Kinzer, Boston Globe, February 18, 2016

Stephen Kinzer is a senior fellow at the Watson Institute for International Studies at Brown University. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.44.236.30 (talk) 12:53, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I do not object to creating a section on media reporting in the SCW. However, you should understand the words of Stephen Kinzer will not change WP policy on sources. Please note that this is not a forum for discussion of the SCW, but a page to discuss improvements to the article and infobox. Nuke (talk) 03:07, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Iraq should be included as a belligerent

Iraq has deployed state sanctioned Shia militia such as the Badr Organisation Military Wing, Kata'ib Hezbollah, Harakat Hezbollah al-Nujaba, Liwa Abu al-Fadhal al-Abbas to fight in Syria.

204.197.177.213 (talk) 23:44, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds OK, but some RS for your claim would strengthen its merit SaintAviator lets talk 01:21, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There are many picture and video proofs of Iraqi Shia militias in Aleppo province.

2620:101:F000:700:74E7:437D:D706:5D6A (talk) 16:09, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If I'm correct, this only means that those specific militias are participating. However, I believe it is reasonable to include Iraq as a supporting country, given it's been included previously IIRC. Nuke (talk) 04:28, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Russia supports the Syrian government

The Russian military should put on the side of the Syrian government, not Rojava.

Russia is put on both sides because Russia supports both the Syrian Kurds and the Syrian government with airstrikes (against the FSA and ISIL).
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"Kurds"

The "Kurds" in the map should be replaced by either YPG Kurds or SDF. The "Kurds" are not a homogeneous group. There are Kurds on the side of the Syrian government, Syrian opposition as awell as ISIS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liesbeth98 (talk • contribs) 20:15, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's WP:UNDUE. The Kurds joining ISIS are minuscule compared to the ones fighting in the YPG and other Kurdish affiliated groups. By placing such information into the article would make it appear as if there's a lot more Kurds fighting for ISIS than necessary. Étienne Dolet (talk) 23:41, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Correct its WP:UNDUE SaintAviator lets talk 00:55, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi LoudLizard. I'm always very reluctant to revert at 1RR articles, even when I'm well out of the 24 hour period (as I am now). We should bear in mind that it appears there's some users who think such UNDUE information shouldn't be added. So IPs are going to edit-war over this, no doubt. The previous IP revert contained an edit-summary, there's also no doubt about that. But it looks like it's nothing but a WP:NINJA edit with no talk page participation and a vague and unsubstantiated edit-summary (i.e. "This belongs here"). So, as an immediate solution, I think there should be semi-protection on this controversial article. I also think that information that's being added/removed regarding the Kurds joining ISIS should take into consideration the ongoing talk page discussions, and not by IPs who revert just because they can. What do you think? By the way, I know your edits are in good faith, and I believe it's justified in it's own way. Étienne Dolet (talk) 23:40, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What the hell, you people just remove multiple sourced text on Kurds joining ISIS. wow — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liesbeth98 (talk • contribs) 20:40, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:UNDUE. Just because something is sourced, doesn't mean it belongs in this article. Even the RS sources you provide say that the Kurds joining ISIS are a small and insignificant number (one of your sources says 70 people at most). If it's such a small number, it doesn't need to be on this page. Étienne Dolet (talk) 03:13, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Other sources say up to a 1000, just add a line that a few are between the ranks of ISIS and other groups such as the Syrian government and FSA (Liwa Ahfad Salahuddin is a ethnically Kurdish group allied to FSA). Now if one reads the article it is like Kurds in Syria are an homogeneous group that are only active within the PYD, which is not correct. Liesbeth98 (talk) 03:23, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
All Kurds are not member of ISIS . Only this user User:Liesbeth98 wants them to make member of ISIS. Enxip (talk) 04:55, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Strength of FSA

Under the combatants section we have the FSA strength at 40 - 50,000. However the article is from 2013. Is it possible to get more up to date numbers? A large portion of these have joined al-Nusra or Islamic State. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.71.18.64 (talk) 03:57, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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