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Practising Catholic

Mention of Islam prayers, but no mention of his actual religion? http://www.catholic.org/prwire/headline.php?ID=5877 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.28.91.218 (talk) 21:41, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But what about Paisley?--Jack Upland (talk) 04:15, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unable to appear in 2005 Star Wars film due to 2000 motorcycle injury?

I find that statement questionable at best, considering the source provided gave nothing and I didn't find anything when looking this up.98.247.228.61 (talk) 02:52, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Nationality

I have changed the nationality to "from Northern Ireland" as the previous version violated MOS:BLPLEAD. It is clear from the link to Irish people and associated comment that the term Irish refers to his ethnicity. On this subject the MOS states

  1. Context (location or nationality);
    1. In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable.
    2. Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, previous nationalities or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability.

In addition he has also identified Northern Ireland as "my homeland".[1] Thus those who are concerned about respecting how he identifies (despite MOS:BLP making no such requirement) should also be satisfied. Eckerslike (talk) 17:14, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is stupid. He self identifies as Irish which is the right of a person born in Northern Ireland. He has always referred to himself as Irish, not Northern Irish or British in multiple interviews. All this change will do is it will confuse people of his actual nationality. You can see Northern Ireland as your homeland, but that doesn't automatically make you Northern Irish in the ethnic term. It depends on what the individual identifies as. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.64.250 (talk) 14:41, 12 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You defeated your own argument in the last two sentences. If you read the relevant section of the MOS (which I've quoted above) it specifically states that ethnicity should not be included in the first sentence. The fact that he identifies his ethnicity as Irish is irreverent. Eckerslike (talk) 18:40, 12 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is relevant. Under the good Friday agreement a person from Northern Ireland can choose either Irish or British citizenship or both. Liam Neeson chose Irish citizenship so therefore regardless if he is from Northern Ireland his nationality is IRISH which should be mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.64.250 (talk) 19:47, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If you believe that he has Irish citizenship then you have to provide a reference to support your statement. In addition, you seem to be implying that he has renounced his British citizenship which also would need a reliable source to back it up. You seem to be confusing identification with citizenship. Even Ian Paisley[2] identified as Irish but was clearly not a Irish citizen. Eckerslike (talk) 01:31, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Irish Times published an article about his citizenships in McGreevy, Ronan (28 August 2009). "Neeson takes out US citizenship". Irish Times. Dublin. Retrieved 12 March 2016. Some quotes from that article:

  • ACTOR LIAM Neeson has announced that he has become a US citizen [..]
  • Ballymena-born Neeson is entitled to both Irish and British citizenship. Reports on the internet said he had an Irish passport.

Later he was asked how he identifies himself in Moriarty, Gerry (7 December 2013). "Nailing their colours to the mast". Irish Times. Dublin. Retrieved 12 March 2016. Quote:

  • Another fine Ballymena actor, Liam Neeson, of Catholic background, brings identity to a new level altogether. Carruthers asks if he would settle for “Northern Irish”. “Certainly Irish-American, that’s what I am,” he responds. “And then, if I have to be specific, Northern Irish-American.”

Following these two references, we should probably just follow that by identifying him as Irish-American or, alternatively, Northern Irish-American. --AFBorchert (talk) 09:37, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just reverted the change to the long-standing definition of Neeson as "Irish", a change which also removed the citation where he self-describes as "Irish" - a removal which constitutes vandalism. I added another source from Neeson's interview in The Irish Times yesterday, Saturday 9 April 2016: "I was very conscious of being an Irish actor as distinct from an actor from Ireland if you know what I mean. I was kind of aware of being a Paddy over there.” (The Irish Times, 9 April 2016). Under International law - i.e. The GFA of 1998 - everybody born in British-occupied Ireland has a right to have their Irish identity accepted. Stop the British jingoism and imposing your identity on another Irishman. It's 2016 not 1916. 37.228.205.224 (talk) 12:12, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty sure the GFA does not refer to anywhere as being "British-occupied Ireland". You're right, it is 2016, not 1916. Time to lose the chip on your shoulder. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:54, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

American

I repeatedly tried to incorporate (in the lead of the article) the well established fact, that Mr. Neeson received American citizenship in the year 2009, and has since indeed been an American. Although some stubborn warden put my contributions on reset even calling them "disruptive editing" and threatening a block. I provided multiple sources along with my contributions, as they are easily found. So now i'm addressing and requesting it in the talk page of the article, that it may be added. greetings from germany. Sources e.g. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/6097584/Liam-Neeson-becomes-an-American-citizen.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209398/Liam-Neeson-Why-American-kindness-wake-Natasha-Richardsons-death-convinced-U-S-citizen.html

Self-identifies as Irish, took US citizenship long after his career was well established, clearly his US-citizenship is not important enough to be mentioned in the lead. He is known as an Irish actor and always will be.--109.149.122.154 (talk) 15:32, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
He's Irish, as is his birthright under international law, he self-defines as "Irish" and the relevant self-definitions are produced to show that his nationality is Irish. These citations are removed by people whose sole purpose here is to portray him as something he explicitly is not. As for his US citizenship, plenty of Irish people are US citizens. It doesn't mean they stop being Irish. This is just a continuation of the "He's British" argument here years ago; when that failed, they move on to the "He's American" line. Anything to deny his expressed, explicit and incontrovertible Irishness. 37.228.205.224 (talk) 19:42, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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