Talk:Murder of Deborah Gardner

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Requested move 4 October 2016

It has been proposed in this section that Murder of Deborah Gardner be renamed and moved to Killing of Deborah Gardner.

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Murder of Deborah Gardner → Killing of Deborah Gardner – A killing occurred but the crime of murder is not verifiable. 172.56.1.19 (talk) 05:04, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. All inline cites and external links refer to Deborah Gardner's death as "murder". The New Zealand Herald story is entitled "Murder among the martini set". The perpetrator, Dennis Priven, was tried for "murder", not "manslaughter" or "involuntary homicide", and was found to be insane at the time he committed the act, but the fact that the act, itself, had to be termed "murder" was not in question. The title of Philip Weiss' 2005 book about the case is American Taboo: A Murder in the Peace Corps —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 15:09, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A finding of not guilty by reason of insanity means that the killer was found to have killed her inentionally. That meets the ordinary meaning of the word "murder" and therefore justifies using that word in the title and in the article.MrStoofer (talk) 09:28, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

From the last sentence in the lead of Murder–suicide, "Ascertaining the legal intention (mens rea) is inapplicable to cases properly categorized as insanity.".--207.62.246.176 (talk) 23:46, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, or did she accidently fall on the knife 22 times? Randy Kryn 14:47, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The move is not to "Suicide of Deborah Gardner".--207.62.246.176 (talk) 23:48, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]