Talk:Prince (musician)

New Prince picture

could you change prince's picture to a Purple Rain era photograph instead of one at the end of his life? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.224.79.37 (talk • contribs)

Not done: Do you have a free image of Prince available for us to use? Izno (talk) 12:23, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Is there a compelling reason to make this change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.183.152.209 (talk) 02:18, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

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Mislabellings

Has anyone noticed that on Spotify She's Always In my Hair is labelled explicit even though it's not a sexual song?

2016-present: Posthumous projects

I would like to make the following changes/additions under this paragraph:

The first album released following Prince's death was a greatest hits album, 4ever, which was released on November 22, 2016. The album contains one previously unreleased song: "Moonbeam Levels", recorded in 1982 during the 1999 sessions.

On April 19, 2017, an EP featuring six unreleased Prince recordings, titled Deliverance, was announced, with an expected release date for later that week. The next day, Prince's estate was granted a temporary restraining order against George Ian Boxill - an engineer who co-produced the tracks and was in possession of the master tapes - and halted the release of the EP.

On February 9, 2017, Prince's estate signed a distribution deal with Universal Music Group, which includes the post-1995 recordings on his NPG Records label and unreleased tracks from his vault. However, on June 27, Comerica (acting on behalf of the estate) requested that Carver County District Judge Kevin Eide cancel the estate's deal with Universal, as UMG's contract would interfere with a contract with Warner Music Group that Prince signed in 2014; WMG would lose the rights to Prince's pre-1993 library in 2021. After Universal's attorneys were granted access to the Warner contract, the attorneys also offered to cancel the deal. On July 13, the court voided Universal's deal with Prince's estate, though Universal will continue to administer Prince's songwriting credits and create merchandise.

On June 23, 2017, Purple Rain was released as a Deluxe and Deluxe Expanded edition. It is the first Prince album to be remastered and reissued. The Deluxe edition consists of two discs, the first being a remaster of the original album made in 2015 overseen by Prince himself and a bonus disc of previously unreleased songs called "From the Vault & Previously Unreleased". The Deluxe Expanded edition consists of two more discs, a disc with all the single edits, maxi-single edits and b-sides from the Purple Rain era and a DVD with a concert from the Purple Rain Tour filmed in Syracuse, New York on March 30, 1985, previously released on home video in 1985. The album debuted at No. 4 on the Bilboard 200 and at No. 1 on both the Billboard R&B Albums Chart and the Billboard Vinyl Albums Chart

What do y'all think?

DJ FunkFunk 17:38, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

References

I stumbled over the first sentence. The construction "to be materialized" is a little odd, to say the least. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 19:42, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I changed the first sentence in: "The first album released..."

DJ FunkFunk 20:58, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Who administers the estate and how future releases are organized is very relevant and should be included IMHO. I am not sure about the last paragraph. The Prince Vault source is a fanblog. Was this release not confirmed in a more reliable source? I also think that detailing the release perhaps is better placed in the Discography page. Karst (talk) 21:04, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

The fact that The Prince Vault is an unofficial, independent website (not a fan blog per se) doesn't make it less reliable. Actually, in my experience it's sometimes more accurate than Wikipedia! However I added another source: http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7776693/prince-purple-rain-expanded-edition-june-23 I don't think it's a problem to mention the exact release date of the Purple Rain reissue. There are more release dates for Prince albums in this article. But also mentioning it on his Discography page is a good idea, but where? Maybe a new section with posthumous releases should be added?

DJ FunkFunk 23:10, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, in combination it is passable, the issue is more the editorial rigour of Billboard as opposed to an self-confessed 'unoffical' blog. I have no problem with the release date, just perhaps the detail. IMHO it is sufficient to mention that a remastered version was released and details about what sets available can be moved to both the Discography and Purple Rain pages. Karst (talk) 19:55, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Prince a singer-songwriter?

I don't think so. That's why I propose to change the opening sentence of the article from: "Prince Rogers Nelson (June 7, 1958 – April 21, 2016) was an American singer-songwriter, actor, multi-instrumentalist, philanthropist, dancer and record producer." to: "Prince Rogers Nelson (June 7, 1958 – April 21, 2016) was an American singer, multi-instrumentalist, songwriter, record producer, dancer, actor and philanthropist."

I think this order reflects what he was known for the best. Most remember him as a singer, then a multi-instrumentalist, etc.

What are your thoughts?

DJ FunkFunk 00:26, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Agree with that, although it is perhaps somewhat excessive. Instead of multi-instrumentalist I would say guitarist, as he is *really* noted for that. I'm not sure if he is a notable dancer, the article does not mention this? Considering he did not speak about his philanthropy I wonder if he should be seen in the same bracket as someone as Warren Buffett for instance. I notice the infobox has less 'qualifications' so to speak. Karst (talk) 20:04, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

He should not be listed as a "singer-songwriter". Despite the name, the phrase "singer-songwriter" refers to a specific genre of folk-inflected light pop music that reached its hey day in the 1970s. Prince is not that. He is a singer, and he is a songwriter, but the hyphenated term is incorrect here. --Jayron32 00:23, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Death of Prince article

If you take a look at this revision of the Death of Prince article, you'll see that Prince's death has received a ton of coverage in the media and there were a ton of events leading up to Prince's death. I think redirecting that article to the main Prince article was a stupid decision since the death article had 70+ sources before it was a redirect. If you want Prince's death to have a separate article, say Agree. If you think whatever is in the "Illness and death" section in the main Prince article is enough, say Disagree. Meters, I want you to participate in this discussion RIGHT NOW. 50.226.46.222 (talk) 22:32, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Death of Prince was redirected at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death of Prince. This SPA IP has now recreated the article 3 times (including four minutes after opening this discussion) and Reactions to the death of Prince once (redirected at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reactions to the death of Prince as bundled with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death of Prince).

What the IP thinks of the AFD close is irrelevant here. The AFD was well-discussed and the close (redirect with a possibility of splitting later) appeared solid. This isn't the venue to contest the close. What we need to look at is whether the topic is now notable enough to warrant splitting from the main article. The IP's edit summaries, such as This is a very important event in music history. Not many people in this generation know who Prince was, and the news reports aren't enough to make this man famous again. Share this article with everyone you know and Make Prince Famous Again! and Created article because this is clearly a notable and important event in music history. Prince Rogers Nelson is the greatest musician who ever lived, and people really need to be aware of others when they die. The news reports aren't enough, so share this are not convincing. Meters (talk) 23:03, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Has something changed since the AFD was closed? Is there enough new material to warrant a separate article now? The IP's edit summaries don't indicate that.

I've also redirected teh recently created Prince Rogers Nelson‎ to Prince (musician) as an obvious case for a redirect (birth name redirected to common name) with no discussion needed. Meters (talk) 23:19, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

@Meters: I took a look at both the AFDs and most of the users said delete. Only two users (Purple Showers and Whiskeymouth) wanted to keep the article, and I agree with them. It appears that you and the other users who said delete don't like Prince at all. If you don't like Prince or his articles, then don't edit any of his pages. There is nothing that limits me from creating articles from redirects. I'm only trying to make more people aware of Prince and his death. Leave me and Prince alone right now. 50.226.46.222 (talk) 00:51, 22 August 2017 (UTC)