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Lin Family

Robert Xie has recently been found guilty of all five murders, and has been sentenced to life in gaol.

Split into Separate Articles

This list is incredibly long and difficult to navigate and will only get worse as new cases are added. I propose dividing it into three or four new articles. Vital Forces 2015 (talk) 17:27, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your observation. I have actually thought this myself. Maybe separate by existing chapter headers?--Kieronoldham (talk) 22:46, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It also becomes difficult to keep each entry "updated" when the article is as long as this. Some of the info. in a few entries could be described as being obsolete.--Kieronoldham (talk) 22:49, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That could work. Another way would be to split pre-1960s deaths and then 1960 to present. Vital Forces 2015 (talk) 23:44, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The length doesn't bother me, however, I have a large monitor. Deaths that have been solved by authorities, but are contested by conspiracy theorists sometimes make there way here (e.g. Karen Silkwood). Removing them probably wouldn't make a big dent, though. -Location (talk) 02:06, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I have thought this myself. The biggest separation needed is between the unsolved killings (where there is no question the person died at someone else's hands) and the unsolved deaths where two formal investigations may have reached different conclusions. The former list should be List of unsolved killings, not murders, as BLP and OR issues come into play when you use "murder" before anyone has been charged or convicted of that crime.

We could also stand to separate the unsolved serial killings in the middle. And I would also consider strongly a separate list for unsolved mass killings and terrorist attacks, of which there are quite a few because I added them all some time ago. (I have also had the idea to have List of unsolved killings believed linked to organized crime, but maybe we'll need more consensus on that one).

I support the idea also of lists by time period, but also by country since we have one for the UK, and there's easily enough American, Australian, Canadian and South African entries on the homicide section of the list to support separation. Daniel Case (talk) 07:03, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I will follow the suggestion of splitting into three articles based on the current titles: List of unsolved murders, List of unsolved serial killer murders and keep the rest on this article. Unless someone has a better suggestion Vital Forces 2015 (talk) 22:17, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Vital Forces 2015: But please call the first one List of unsolved killings. "Murders" are cases where a trier of fact has considered evidence of intent and convicted someone of deliberately killing someone else; all other cases are "homicides" or "killings". Daniel Case (talk) 23:32, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think this could be asking for trouble, but won't know until we see the finished product. I foresee relevant material will frequently be placed in the wrong article, and that there will be frequent debates on which article is most appropriate for a particular item. It might be better to open an Rfc or place {{Split}} on the page. -Location (talk) 03:02, 22 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Location: We could easily include something at the top of the page explaining that "unsolved deaths" are for cases where the manner or cause of death is "undetermined" or "open verdict", or where two different official investigations have reached different conclusions. Cases where it might have been a homicide under those criteria.

Whereas "killings" is for cases where there's no doubt, at least officially, that someone died at the hands of another, we just don't know which another. I don't see this as a very hard distinction to understand.

If "relevant material will frequently be placed in the wrong article", which happens anyway, there's a very simple solution: Move it to the right article. It's an open-content online encyclopedia, not stone tablets. Daniel Case (talk) 04:52, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Vital Forces 2015:I believe it should at least be possible to create List of unsolved serial killer murders as it is typically clearer when a murder is part of a serial killing spree. (Though I am not sure what should be done with copycat killings. I'm also not sure if this article already exists in the form of List of serial killers in the United States#Unidentified Serial Killers. It may also be worth while to create a List of disputed killings for killings in which the killer is disputed. An additional article could be List of disputed murder confessions for people who confessed to killing someone but it is disputed that they were telling the truth (see: Albert DeSalvo).— Preceding unsigned comment added by Botlord (talk • contribs)
@Botlord: See this for a good reason why maybe we shouldn't have a List of disputed killings. Instead, we have Category:Death conspiracy theories. Daniel Case (talk) 07:40, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Botlord: I agree, I was referring to the first type of death, sorry if that was not clear.Botlord (talk) 00:57, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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inclusion of Dorothy Kilgallen

Wikipedia editor "Edward 321" reverted an edit that had placed Dorothy Kilgallen in this article. Edward's logic is that in September 2017, the district attorney's office dropped its investigation of her death, therefore her case "is still solved." Wrong! Original status (November 1965) was "circumstances undetermined." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.183.42.50 (talk) 22:06, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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