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Writing about cannabis

I started an essay Wikipedia:Writing about cannabis yesterday and invite contributions. What is there now really is just off-the-cuff thoughts in bulleted form. Eventually this could grow to something really robust like WP:Writing about women. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:19, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cool man. Some good points there to start out with.--Jamesy0627144 (talk) 23:24, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Utah legalization imminent

I just updated List of 2018 United States cannabis reform proposals with some surprise; the Utah legislature passed MMJ for some patients. Utah! Times really have changed. Procedural question: do we update the map after the governor signs the law? Bri.public (talk) 20:49, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

From what I understand the bills are pretty restrictive, but I would guess Utah would still be classified as a medical cannabis state, since use of whole-plant cannabis appears to be permitted. I'll be interested to see what orgs such as MPP and NCSL have to say.--Jamesy0627144 (talk) 23:24, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note that our map includes states where a law has been passed even if it has not yet gone into effect. IIRC "signed by the governor" has been a common cutoff point where we call it good, but not prior to that signing (so not just when the law is passed yet awaiting signature). Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 22:44, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Correct. Definitely need to wait for signature. After that, can come to a decision about whether to change map, taking into consideration how various organizations decide to classify Utah.--Jamesy0627144 (talk) 20:57, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Governor Herbert signed last night, I updated map this morning before I saw your comment. We can undo if it's not the right change. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:58, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So... in regards to whether Utah should be classified as a medical cannabis state (on the map and elsewhere), at this point I'm thinking probably not. The NCSL page still shows there are only 29 medical cannabis states, and the person responsible for updating the page has confirmed to me in email that she does not consider Utah to have passed a comprehensive medical cannabis law. She also says that the Utah law restricts THC content, but I have read through HB 195 and disagree with that interpretation. I will respond back and see what she says -- but I would guess that she will still maintain that the law is not comprehensive, due to other restrictions that exist. As far as other authorities on the matter:

- NORML has not issued any statement. Their map still shows Utah as a CBD-only state.

- MPP has not issued any statement. An unrelated press release from March 23 says that there are only 29 medical cannabis states.

- ASA has not issued any statement.

- I don't know if they would really be considered an authority on the subject, but ProCon.org still shows only 29 medical cannabis states.

- None of the news articles I've seen have stated anything to the effect of "Utah becomes the 30th state to legalize medical cannabis".

Considering all of this, I think the map is probably going to need to be changed back. Perhaps there will be further clarification in the coming days.--Jamesy0627144 (talk) 06:03, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like WebMD has updated their list with an asterisk, image. I'm having some difficulty finding the page that actually uses the image. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:19, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That map hasn't been updated anytime recent, since it doesn't even reflect ND, AR, and FL legalizing medical in 2016 (or any of the states that legalized recreational that year). As far as the other sources mentioned above, still nothing has changed. I did reply to the NCSL person (on March 25) about whether the new law restricts THC content, but haven't heard back. Apparently she has made up her mind though, as the NCSL page was updated on March 28 and still shows Utah as not having passed a comprehensive law. I think it would be best for our map to match what what NCSL / NORML / MPP / ASA (and others) are all indicating... so I plan to change it back shortly.--Jamesy0627144 (talk) 03:43, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Related: the Utah Medical Cannabis Act initiative will be on the ballot in November. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:41, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Draft needing help

There's a draft up for AFC review, but I don't know much about cannabis stocks. Anyone want to take a look and help get it ready for publication, and/or provide advice to the submitter? Draft:Marijuana Stocks Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 03:19, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly this looks like a WP:COATRACK or WP:POVFORK to push marijuanastocks.com and I don't see anything particularly worth salvaging for the existing Cannabis industry. If you don't know why I think this, check out WP:Identifying PR -- the draft hits a lot of points listed there. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:06, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

De-scheduling proposed by Senate Majority Leader

I don't have time to follow up on this today but these reliable sources indicate that Mitch McConnell has proposed de-scheduling hemp today. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:40, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Went through Wikipedia:WikiProject Cannabis/Popular pages to address Unrated articles

I've only recently learned about "Popular pages" articles for each/most WikiProjects, so this evening I scanned as far as #150 on this Cannabis list and made sure that every single article had a Class and Importance rating. That can help identify valid stubs of a destubathon, and/or show articles that are in relatively basic shape despite being High or Top importance. I'm up a few hours more, so might see if I can ensure that all of WP:C's Top 500 are properly listed with classifications.

It's pretty fun looking at these top lists and pagecounts, I rather recommend it. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 03:52, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, what a huge help to the project. Thanks for your assessment work. ---Another Believer (Talk) 03:53, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, just finished knocking out all 500. The List won't update until the first few days of April, but thereafter we should see the change, and any that I missed. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 04:42, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The chart dealie at the bottom of the main project page (which shows class/importance of everything in the project) had us listed with 181 unrated articles, so I've dug into that too, but I think I've fixed a large portion of them but won't be able to see correctly what's missing until the list next updates, since it doesn't live-update as I make changes. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 08:21, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You can force a live update at any time here (I've just now run an update). Speaking of WikiProject reports and tools, I've added WikiProject Cannabis to CleanupWorklistBot's report. This report runs once a week, and just ran, so it'll be about a week before the report goes live at [1]; for now you can see reports for other WikiProjects at [2]. Cleanup worklist reports include articles with various maintenance banners and error categories (citation needed, dead external links, formatting errors in reference templatees, etc.). Plantdrew (talk) 16:35, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Great information, and thanks Goonsquad for the work rating everything. Maybe once it populates, we should add CleanupWorklistBot's report to the April project tasks list for high visibility?
In case anybody's not sure where to look I'll summarize the top needs below. I've organized by my own sense of where we should focus, top to bottom. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:03, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Top importance/Stub
Top importance/Start
High importance/Stub
Top importance/C-class

Okay, barring any minor slip-ups, I think I've rated every article in the project that was missing a rating (250 or so articles). So once the chart re-populates I'll see if I missed any onesi-twosies but we should be pretty much there. Next I'm going to go through some of the ratings and see if we're rating anything lower than it should be. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 00:51, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not the popularity is the pure decider, but I went through Wikipedia:WikiProject Cannabis/Popular pages and singled out articles rated as "Low" but with high viewership to see if they were maybe underrated. I left alone articles that were mostly famous for something other than cannabis (like top-ranked Bob Marley) but I caught others like Reefer Madness being ranked "Low" despite being one of the most influential films in cannabis history. I also raised the importance on several articles about cannabis in geographic areas, where those areas have played a major role in cannabis policy and/or diffusion. So once everything updates it'll slightly change a few things, though mostly not drastically.
I would submit that getting Cannabis and Hashish up to at least a B should be a 420Collab priority, and honestly Hashish would be a good target to get another GA. That would probably require getting a few library books about hashish, since some of the major works are limited viewing on GoogleBooks. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 01:28, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops, missed the "force update" button recommended above. Did that, caught three I missed, so now all 1,948 articles in the project have a rating. I'm also updating Bri's list above based on the changes. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 01:33, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Amazing! ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:59, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template talk:Cannabis by country for China and Korea

Do you agree with me here re: China and Korea? ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:23, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge

I've broached the topic here, but to be fair I thought I should post the proposal at the article itself. Thoughts? Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 06:50, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

LDS and Judaism sub-drive

I'm really interested in Cannabis and Latter-Day Saints and Cannabis and Judaism. This could be a great area to bring up to date for 2018. If anybody wants to strategize a sub-drive for April, pls comment here or contact me individually. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:27, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

While they can be improved, a formal drive seems excessive, but just for collab purposes it's worth bringing up here. I think I mostly scraped what's available on gBooks for the Judaism article (except I didn't cover the "cannabis seder" trend because at the time it seemed too focused on one burst of media). For the LDS, did I miss some significant sources, or is it more that with Utah's law changing somewhat, the church has made more statements? Not trying to block any changes, just curious what I missed earlier on, or what new developments there have been. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 07:05, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We could start with recent polling in Utah. Sixty-some percent of "very active" LDS adherents want to see full MMJ legalization there, and it goes up ... eighty percent for Catholics and over 95 for non-believers [3][4]. It isn't unusual for LDS membership to be ahead of leadership in changing social issues. And outside of that community, my gut tells me that this November's election will be a real signal to the rest of the nation when this strongly "R" state chooses to opt-in to the initiative. Is this grounds for massive expansion? Maybe not, but looking at cannabis in Utah, the current reality is not well represented. Frankly it's heavy on dry legal facts and light on any cultural relevance, i.e. what is driving the 2014–2018 changes documented there. And don't forget Utah is just part of LDS; we have to talk about the entire Mountain State region at least, not to mention, say American Samoa.
As for Judaism, we've got rather poor coverage of the topic in general for Western states, IMO. In fact one of this collab's members only a few days ago created Judaism in Oregon. Which is where a lot of the WP:C related activity, such as the seder you mentioned, is happening. I can dig up some more specifics and put together a more coherent proposal for activity.
Yes a formal drive might be over the top, but I might just go ahead and make some more mini-icons for tagging relevant articles in the outcomes list. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:47, 1 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Here's the first page of hits for the search "cannabis legalization Jews" (I use Bing):
  • As recreational cannabis arrives, California Jews are ready (J Weekly)
  • Will marijuana legalization light up Jewish advocacy... (Times of Israel)
  • Le'Or aims to put marijuana legalization on the Jewish ... (Jewish Telegraph Agency)
  • Marijuana and Jewish Joy: Do Jews like being happy? by Rabbi Gavriel Horan (aish.com)
  • The biblical roots of Jews and marijuana (Haaretz)
  • Judaism and the Legalization of Marijuana? (Algemeiner)
  • Medical Marijuana May Soon Get Kosher Stamp of Approval ... (Forward)
  • Is Marijuana Kosher? - Questions & Answers (chabad.org)
  • Jewish connection to the marijuana industry (Newsweek)
  • Rabbi Ties Jewish Faith to Medical Marijuana (ABC News)
Seems to me few of these have an existing topic where they could be covered adequately. Food for thought? And where do we put random stuff like the ownership of Weedmaps? Takoma Wellness Center? URJ's 2003 (!) resolution to legalize MMJ? Or Sheldon Adelson's bankrolling opposition to Florida Amendment 2 (2014)? Maybe my next task is dreaming up an outline for expansion of Cannabis and Judaism. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:39, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
By the way I just noticed that Jewish Virtual Library cites our C in Israel article [5]. ☆ Bri (talk) 03:57, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kansas legislature passes hemp bill

Kansas Senate Bill 263, legalizing hemp research and production pilot under state D of A, cleared state house 123 to 1 and senate 36 to 3. Reconciliation next. [6] ☆ Bri (talk) 05:56, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rework of our two largest charts

In reference to:

Looking at the charts, both have: Possession, Sale, Transport, Cultivation

My thoughts are that these are not the most useful ways to break it down, since there's no column for Medical so we need to shoe-horn it into all four columns if medical is allowed. I would also think that "Transport" is kind of unnecessary since I'm not aware of anywhere where you can buy/sell/cultivate cannabis but can't transport it, nor the opposite.

I'm not wed to any particular settup yet, so solicit your opinion, but off the top of my head "Recreational, Medical, Sale" might make sense? And recreational can be entered (in the colored World chart) as yellow if recreational is decriminalized or de-facto legal but not officially legal.

Any suggestions? These charts rank #14 and #15 on our list of Popular Pages, with some 2,500 views/day. So these are worth improving if we can find an agreeable way. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 23:10, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Pondering it further, we could do just three columns: Recreational, Medical, Cultivation.
For the US, if a jurisdiction (DC, VT) allows use but not sales, we can just caveat that in the "Recreational" column, and same for comments on Decrim in the US or global. Similarly places like Spain and Netherlands can have "Decriminalized, sales prohibited" in the Recreational column. I'm not aware of anywhere Medical is "decriminalized" but not legal (though a couple US jurisdictions sort of have a "legal alibi" thing for medical), and we can use the Medical column to caveat whether it's full-plant or just derivatives. Then for Cultivation, we can use the box to caveat whether they allow growing of hemp, or THC cannabis.
While I'm here, I'd also suggest that we go back to having colors in the US chart for visual clarity, same as Global. The old system was obsolete so I agree with removing that, but I think not having colors makes it harder to read at-a-glance. Thoughts? Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 07:36, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I think it would be useful to have some outside editors weigh in on what they think would make the Global chart more readable, and we can apply whatever they think to the US chart to be more consistent. RfC posted here: Talk:Legality_of_cannabis_by_country#RfC_on_re-formatting_the_chart. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 07:44, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've made a mock-up at User:Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney/sandbox so we can see what it would look like (I'm partially through the start of the alphabet so far), so if we get a consensus for it we can just drop it in without disturbing the page for the large viewership. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 08:01, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Nobody's raised any objections to multiple proposals and an RfC, so I went ahead and changed the chart entirely. It should now be more readable and useful. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 06:47, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Spike in views of Cannabis in Israel

I was checking Pageviews, and in the last couple weeks we've had a spike of over 500 views/day of Cannabis in Israel, surpassing even Cannabis in India. I checked the news to see what's up, and best I can tell the main story is that Israel has just recently approved exports of medical cannabis; that seems to be it. If other folks can keep an eye on their newsfeeds too, it still seems preliminary but might call for an update this week. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 23:23, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can do. By the way, the AP "LegalMarijuana" feed is very informative. ☆ Bri (talk) 03:00, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Added a page view graph to the talk page to alert other editors to this extraordinary increase. Aspro (talk) 10:38, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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