Talk:Tom Watson, Baron Watson of Wyre Forest

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Regarding Mr. Watson's personal life, a new interview with him in The Guardian states that he has been single since his divorce a few years ago. This contrasts directly with what is said already, concerning the fact that he had got together with someone four months after his divorce. The Birmingham Post article is not WP:BLPPRIMARY, while The Guardian one is. Nevertheless, might be worth some discussion. ^{My name is}not^dave (talk/contribs) 18:39, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Does a politicians voting record need a secondary source?

I removed the addition of Watson's vote for the Iraq war - I see no reason why this should be included without a secondary source to show notability. What is inherently important about this as opposed to other votes? If it is so important then why hasn't it been covered by secondary sources? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 16:23, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you still seeking to remove this on the basis of WP:NOTABILITY? Are you familiar with WP policies, and what we mean by that? Andy Dingley (talk) 16:53, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Could you explain which policies you are referring to? WP:NOTABILITY is about "whether a given topic warrants its own article". Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 17:35, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You're the one claiming that it needs to be removed unless it shows notability! Notability is just not an issue here, please don't try and claim it as a big unchangeable policy to hide behind. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:31, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think notability in terms of content for an article is (generally!) quite well understood on Wikipedia, either something has a secondary source to show notability, or is inherently notable enough to put it in with a primary source, e.g. a politicians birth year, their school/university, dates of elections etc. You haven't specified why you think the vote was notable enough to include with a primary source, and equally why we shouldn't include other votes from the same source (of which there are hundreds). Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 08:11, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I originally made the edit. There are a number of secondary sources for his vote aside from theyworkforyou.com - more than happy to reference them if you insist on it. I would have thought it would be fairly obvious to most people why a politicians vote on going to war would be more important than other votes, quite frankly. Total Dynamic (talk) 14.:47, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

I agree with you TD, there are a large number of sources that highlight the defining importance of this particular vote. See for example BBC News. Given the significance of the vote on global history it may be the most significant thing any of those politicians did. ℕ ℱ 20:30, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The vote was covered by the Labour whip and the majority of Labour (and other party) MPs voted in favour, so (without a secondary source), I don't see why this is particularly notable. Happy to include it if you have a secondary source though. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 18:14, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]