Talk:Carlos Ghosn

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"and also got a phD in intituto superior tecnico" -- um, what? this almost sounds like nonsensical vandalism. ima delete it, but maybe someone can come along and make it sound less like gibberish and re-ionsert. barnacle 19:30, 3 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Why this pronunciation of Ghosn ("Ghosson")? it used to say GOHN. Voice of America pronounciation guide is "G-OWN" (at www.voa.gov). kd

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I got a problem, at the begin it is written he "is a Brazilian businessman", so you think ... ey, he is brazilian ! Well then you learn, "he is a French citizen" ! Problem is that both are wrong. He is ^[1]. See this french article on it clearly stating he is holding both passport. FYI, French citizen can hold double nationality with only limited countries (which includes brasil). This enable people to keep their roots event when becoming French (lots of Portugese in France do so for instance).

The point is even if he holds double nationality, he is known worldwide for beeing "french" even if his roots are lebanon (cf. the Japan article on this).

Shall we say : "is a French and Brazilian businessman" (which is wrong, as in Business he is never seen as brazilian (at least outside of Brazil or Brazil influence zone). Or "is a French businessman born in Brazil" (Which is better but not 100% perfect). Any better proposition for relecting these facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.113.57.163 (talk) 18:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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^ French AND Brazilian citizen "Ghosn l'impatient". L'expansion (French Economy Newspaper). 01-16-2002. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

He may have been born there, but moved back to Lebanon (his parents' country of origin) a few years later. Educated in France, living there for 35 years, I think it's safe to say that he's French. What do you think he'd say if you asked him ? --81.51.209.30 (talk) 07:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wer ist eigentlich der Verrueckte im Vorstand dieses Automobilproduzenten in Frankreich der den 300.000.000 Millionen Russen weltweit in der Stadt Narva CCCP im Cinema Shoppingcenter einen Renault Clio Grandtour fuer 17.990.000 Estnische Waehrung verkaufen will. Die Estnische Nationalstaatsbank Kronen (Frage).

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,542307,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.196.218.254 (talk) 07:15, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Career

This phrase : "Sergio Marcchione, who is CEO of Italy's Fiat, took over the troubled American carmaker Chrysler in June 2009 and is heading the attempted turnaround of Detroit's smallest carmaker."
in Career paragraph has nothing to do with Carlos Ghosn, so I' have checked the source note [46] http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/27/the-detroitbureau-com-on-autoblog-with-paul-eisenstein/
but also there that phrase has nothing to do with Carlos Ghosn.
I'm going to delete it.
Please somone else, could see if note
[46] http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/27/the-detroitbureau-com-on-autoblog-with-paul-eisenstein/
must be deleted also?

Bounty braveheart (talk) 22:30, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article contains numerous errors, has too many dead links, and is poorly organized

Normally I am loathe to tag articles (except when they have no citations), but this article has proved very troubling to me -- there are far too many inaccuracies, and nearly every footnote I check (when there actually is one) is either dead or does not substantiate, and when I do further research I find that the dead links were inaccurate to begin with. Consequently the article is filled with errors, even in the sentences that appear to have citations. Also, the organization of the article leaves much to be desired, and does not correspond to WP:MOS. It should be a chronological summary of his life. The sections on "Personality" (or "Public Persona" if you will) and "In Popular Media" should be separate, not combined with the summary of his life. Softlavender (talk) 20:41, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Better now. Reorganized, corrected, and cited. Softlavender (talk) 12:36, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Removed non-relevant paragraph

I've removed this non-relevant paragraph as it breaks up the career info and I can't quite see its relevance anywhere in the article:

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In late 2007, Ghosn unveiled the Nissan GT-R, a twin-turbo V-6 two-door four-seater sports car.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4] It is one of the most affordable supercars worldwide.^[5]

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Softlavender (talk) 23:45, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your logic is hard to refute on this. Also the car has its own entry where there is no doubt scope for including (suitably sourced) puffery to the extent appropriate. More generally, thank you for your work shoveling and heaving the Ghosn entry into something more coherent. He's an important figure. Charles01 (talk) 06:39, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your acknowledgement, Charles. It was a tough job, but somebody had to do it. It's a shame when someone of Ghosn's importance and renown has such a mismanaged and erroneous Wikipedia article, and then that misinformation gets spread all across the internet *sigh*. I feel relieved that it's better now. Softlavender (talk) 06:50, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's in the nature of the wiki-beast. Because Ghosn is interesting to LOTS of people, his entry gets wiki contributions from LOTS of people. Any one of them - well quite several of them - individually could produce a coherent and interesting entry. But piling all the contributions, with their disparate underlying priorities and assumptions, upon each other, you end up with something that points in a whole lot of different directions at once, and you should not be surpirsed if at that stage the reader loses the will to read. So from time to time you desperately need someone with the time and commitment to come in and tidy up (or more) the garden, and hack out some of the undergrowth in the process.Charles01 (talk) 07:05, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have to say this Ghosn situation was the worst I had seen, and after carefully reviewing the editing/revision statistics and who had done what and when on the article, I came to the conclusion that this mess was mainly because: (A) He's not an American or a Brit, so there are less immediately in-the-know people editing the article, and news reaches the U.S./UK about him from a distinct distance. (B) The people editing the article have in the past all been very scattered, piecemeal, and inaccurate, and even those drive-by people usually abandoned Wikipedia entirely after their one or two, or handful of, drive-by edits. The article has never had any long-term care or indeed anyone who has made more than generally a small handful of edits. Of course this is compounded by the fact that Wikipedia has been hemorrhaging good editors for quite a few years. In short, I have found that most articles have some core of reliability with scattered errors, but this article had a core of complete misinformation with some scattered accurate facts. Softlavender (talk) 07:22, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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underreporting of Brazilian and French links/properties while overreporting of Lebanese

Might one highlight how this article is biased, or would that reflect on the quality or agenda of the researcher/source? Could it be that Ghosn has more connections to France and Brazil? 126.3.17.188 (talk) 13:59, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[1] French AND Brazilian citizen "Ghosn l'impatient". L'expansion (French Economy Newspaper). 01-16-2002. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

[2] "Car and Driver – First Look Nissan GT-R".

[3] "2009 Nissan Skyline GT-R". Edmund's Inside Line.

[4] "First Look: 2008 Nissan GT-R". MotorTrend.

[5] ttp://web.archive.org/web/20080128180010/http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/24/lifestyle/Ghosn_dream_car.fortune/index.htm

[6] ttp://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/automotive/new/chi-2013-nissan-gt-r-20120319-story.html

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