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A possibly plagiaristic site to this article.

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 16:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Gosh, this reads like a puff piece. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 09:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The victim of Vangheluwe did not go public as alleged in this article. Michael Wood 2468 (talk) 17:18, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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On the March 2017 Revision and Expansion of the Article

This article owes its expansion to the appearance of the 558-page biography of cardinal Danneels by Mettepenningen & Schelkens (M&S), which is now the main source of the article. I have left what was correct in the previous version, unless I judged it contributed nothing new. Links affected by linkrot have been updated where I could and deleted where I could not.

I corrected two serious mistakes.

  • Danneels never studied at the Bruges seminary to become a priest. His bishop, Msgr. De Smedt, sent him directly to Leuven to study philosophy there. When Msgr. De Smedt appointed him spiritual director of the seminary—Danneels was barely 26—he didn’t even know his way in the building. It happened several times he got lost and that the students he asked for directions asked him ironically in which year he was a student. (M&S 81)
  • Danneels did not lead the funeral service of Grand Duchess Josephine Charlotte of Luxembourg; cf. the article "Adieu, Mme la Grande-Duchesse" in La Dernière Heure of 17 January, 2005, which mentions "La messe, célébrée par Mgr Fernand Franck, l'archevêque de Luxembourg".

I based all the translations that I added on the Dutch-language sources I consulted, rather than the French-language ones, since Dutch is Danneels’ native language (and mine). The translations that were already in the previous version I compared to the Dutch originals, and when I changed them I did this to reflect these originals more closely. Polla ta deina (talk) 12:13, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

St Gallen group

I've not seen any evidence that suggests Danneels identified as being a member of the so-called St. Gallen group. Nor that this group is significant enough to merit the addition of a specific category entry. I've removed this category for now. I'd welcome thoughts. Contaldo80 (talk) 14:07, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It has been on the National Television of Belgium, it is true. No secret in Belgium. please restore?--Carolus (talk) 14:53, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but what exactly did Belgian tv say? And does it make sense to mark this as a specific category or is not sufficient to simply include a reference in the text. I'm nervous about giving this UNDUE weight. It's also not helpful for you to have gone in and added the category back until we have achieved consensus. Please remove it until we've decided that it's relevant. I have big concerns that we're fuelling a big conspiracy theory here to play up to a conservative Catholic agenda. Big risks of violating NPOV. Contaldo80 (talk) 15:05, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No comment, i made my point, this so called conspiracy theory is nothing news in Belgium (Danneels destijds lid van geheim netwerk met Europese topkardinalen= Daneels was a Member of a SECRET NETWORK of European TOP-CARDINALS).--Carolus (talk) 15:20, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks but that doesn't reassure me therefore that the article needs to link to a specific category. Sounds to me that it's just exaggerated reporting with little substance. Contaldo80 (talk) 15:52, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Then why you ask my opinion then?--Carolus (talk) 17:31, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Contaldo is well aware that this group has been reported on in mainstream sources (not just in Belgium, but also the National Catholic Register and others) so the blanking can be treated as vandalism at this point. Not only that, but Danneels has since 2015 openly associated himself with the group in televised interviews promoting his authorised biography by Jürgen Mettepenningen and Karim Schelkens. Contaldo knows this because he has read the St. Gallen Group article, where such references are presented and is attempting to blank both it and articles pertaining to it, because he favours Danneels soft stance on homosexuality (politically motivated) and for whatever reasons wants to hide this activity. Claíomh Solais (talk) 19:49, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The category has now gone so the discussion has moved on and the tag can be removed. Claíomh Solais - I've warned you before, however, to stop your attacks. If you can't edit without pursuing some crazy "conspiracy-motivated" agenda then please move on. One more reference to my sexuality, nationality or religion and I'll formally make a complaint about you.Contaldo80 (talk) 08:52, 22 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The revert in the section "Member of the group of Sankt Gallen"

I reverted the anonymous edit (of 14:00, 18 November 2018), which substituted, without justification, "That remains unclear" for "That is misleading". ("That" refers to the claim, made by some pundits, that the Sankt Gallen "mafia" worked to elect cardinal Bergoglio and were opposed to Ratzinger.) The revert again shows that is claim indeed is misleading, by providing two arguments, both footnoted.Polla ta deina (talk) 17:45, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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