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Windows subsystem for Linux

An IP editor attempted to change

"Linux distributions for Windows Subsystem for Linux are obtained through Microsoft Store"

to

"Linux distributions for Windows Subsystem for Linux are obtained through Microsoft Store and can also be added through Windows Features option in PC Settings".

I declined the pending change because I couldn't find "PC Settings" on my Win10 box. I did find:

Start Button (icon on the lower left - is it still called the start button?)
Windows System (sub menu)
Control Panel (menu item opens window)
Programs (link opens window)
Turn Windows features on or off (link opens window)
Windows subsystem for Linux (check box)

That isn't really a Linux distributions, though, just the Windows subsystem for Linux. I did find:

...but I did not find Slackware or Fedora, and I didn't find a list of all the Linux distros available on the Microsoft store.

So, should the above information be in the article? If so, how how best to convey it?

Also, the same IP added "Microsoft claims Edge to be the fastest Web Browser on Windows 10", which really needs a citation. --Guy Macon (talk) 15:59, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

On "Edge fastest", I Googled it and found "Tests suggest Edge is maybe not the fastest browser after all". Even with Edge fastest [currently or at some point] I wouldn't include it. A claim from Microsoft (only) is not good here. These things also get outdated fast, e.g. with Firefox Quantum, that came after [at least original Edge]. comp.arch (talk) 13:18, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Windows 10 Infobox info is wrong!

Windows 10 October 2018 Update which is said to be currently latest version in infobox is currently NOT latest in any way, and was pulled by Microsoft due to bugs. If you try to download the ISO of Windows 10, you will easily see it is now still the April 2018 version. So, infobox info is simply in error, if not misleading. Someone fix! What do you guys think about this? Can we add a small link with the "Microsoft pulled Oct 2018 update and will re-release it with fix(es) at some unknown time in the future"? Currently the infobox is plain wrong. Naki (talk) 11:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Features Removed - comment on versions

The Features Removed section has sub-sections for each major version. However if reading the article from the start the versions have not yet been described by this point, so this section is assuming reader knowledge. The Versions are described in a later section further down the article. Maybe the Features Removed section should be moved to an article on the history of Windows 10, as it will only get longer with each new release. John a s (talk) 17:44, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Propose "Microsoft Windows 10" instead of "Windows 10"

Articles for many other products (including software operating systems and applications) indicate a corporation or platform, as in "Adobe Acrobat", "Mac OS X", "Amazon Web Services", "AOL Instant Messenger", "IBM Selectric typewriter", and so on. I would like the article title and first reference in this article to be "Microsoft Windows 10". (Subsequent uses of the name could be kept in the shortened form of "Windows 10".) Pros, cons? 165.225.38.220 (talk) 17:19, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tis has likely been discussed multiple times in the past. We do not refer to things like this on a formal, full name basis, unless everyone else does. Titles must also be concise, and Windows 10 is already concise. ViperSnake151 Talk 14:48, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Windows 10" as Windows 10. Microsoft refers that product as "Windows 10", without their own corporation's name. I see no point of it. --81.200.16.229 (talk) 14:05, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Propose to add "Microsoft Windows 10" to lede

The article named simply Firefox begins with "Mozilla Firefox (or simply Firefox) is ...." Would it be appropriate to begin this Windows 10 article similarly? That way we could keep the marketing name as the article title and every other mention in the article, but be more precise in one place. 165.225.38.220 (talk) 18:33, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Sek-2 writes in the edit comment that reverts my edit "no. The main Windows article is one thing, but literally nobody refers to individual Windows versions as "Microsoft Windows 7/XP/10/etc." However, Googling for the quoted string "Microsoft Windows 10" yields "About 60,000,000 results". Aren't these strong indications that I am not the only "nobody" to use the longer phrase? 165.225.38.220 (talk) 16:28, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, because your methodology is flawed. Besides the fact that a lot of those pages are from Microsoft or directly quote Microsoft (this includes using Microsoft's full title from the box when selling a Microsoft product), I opened three pages that I chose at random from that Google search and found:

[1], which quotes the exact title of the ISO (named by Microsoft) of "Microsoft Windows 10 Media Creation Tool".
[2] which doesn't use the phrase at all except in an alt="Microsoft Windows 10" tag on one of the images.
[3] which simply calls it "Windows 10". The Google search algorithm was fooled by the title "Microsoft's Windows 10 October Update eats ZIP files too".

--Guy Macon (talk) 18:52, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the quick response! However, I am not quite following your logic. If many of the pages that use the full "Microsoft Windows 10" are from Microsoft that would support a mention of the phrase "Microsoft Windows 10"; Microsoft is the official source for the name of its product. When a page has "Microsoft Windows 10 Media Creation Tool" instead of "Windows 10 Media Creation Tool" that supports a mention of "Microsoft Windows 10". That a URL feels the need to include "Microsoft" supports a mention. That a web image <alt> markup or web page <title> markup includes "Microsoft" supports a mention. For many purposes, on and off the web, there are many of us "nobody" people who use the full "Microsoft Windows 10", so a complete omission of it is too much. If the Firefox article's approach isn't working for you, how about "Windows 10 or Microsoft Windows 10 ..." to start the lede? 165.225.38.220 (talk) 21:12, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We have a policy on that. It is at WP:COMMONNAME. The official name of the UK is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" but we call it the United Kingdom. The official name for a realtor is REALTOR®. The official name for a Raspberry is Rubus occidentalis. The official name of Brazil is Federative Republic of Brazil. Actually, I lied about that last one. The official name is really República Federativa do Brasil. --Guy Macon (talk) 04:21, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I thank you for your quick response, but again I am having trouble understanding your logic. Yes, the official name of the UK is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", on Wikipedia the article is called United Kingdom, and the article mentions the longer name. I want the Windows 10 article to mention the longer name "Microsoft Windows 10". I have proposed language to achieve this; if your quibble is merely with my choice of words, please suggest wording that you would find appropriate. 165.225.38.220 (talk) 13:20, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Or we could simply call it what Microsoft calls it.

I'm just saying. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:27, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely, I do not contest that "Windows 10" is the WP:COMMONNAME. What I am proposing is that "Microsoft Windows 10" is used in enough contexts to bear mentioning in the article lede, much as the United Kingdom, Firefox, etc. articles – see above list provided by @Guy Macon for more – mention lesser used names. 165.225.38.220 (talk) 17:50, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@User:ViperSnake151 writes in an edit comment: "Why do you continue to assert this is required?". The answer is easy: because "Microsoft Windows 10" is used in several contexts and Wikipedia is here to report about the world we live in. Let me turn the question around: why is it okay for countless other articles to list alternative names after the most common name, but not for the Windows 10 article? Given the 60 million Google hits and other evidence presented above, we have a pretty good case that use of "Microsoft Windows 10" is not obscure. 165.225.38.220 (talk) 20:50, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Mozilla Firefox" is used more often in official materials than just "Firefox" (even the desktop shortcut is labelled as such), in comparison to "Windows 10" vs. "Microsoft® Windows® 10". Why are you so intent on strictly acknowledging this operating system on a full name basis? ViperSnake151 Talk 21:42, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The repeating of the claim that "Microsoft Windows 10" is the most common name (it isn't) and the claim of "60 million Google hits and other evidence presented above" (I showed that the "evidence" was flawed) leads me to the reluctant conclusion that we are dealing with a troll. I advise that we all stop responding to him and see if he gets tired of shouting into an empty room.

    Responding just 
    encourages them! 
           \ 
            >') 
            ( \ 
             ^^`

165.225.38.220, if it turns out that I am wrong (I am not infallible) and that you aren't trolling us (please don't waste our time denying it; both trolls and non-trolls deny being trolls) then WP:1AM gives you detailed advice as to what to do next. --Guy Macon (talk) 05:33, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am not asserting 'that "Microsoft Windows 10" is the most common name'. Initially, I thought "Microsoft Windows 10" was the most formal name, but I am now fully a convert to WP:COMMON. If you are resisting my edit because you think I am asserting that the name "Microsoft Windows 10" is superior to "Windows 10" in some way, please reconsider.

"Why are you so intent on strictly acknowledging this operating system on a full name basis?": because "Microsoft Windows 10" is used in several contexts and Wikipedia is here to report about the world we live in. However, I think it is safe to say that you are saying that contexts that refer to "Microsoft Windows 10" are too obscure to bear mentioning. (If I have that wrong, please try again; I promise to try to understand!) I feel like I have been addressing that issue, but apparently you are not impressed. At 1 against 3, I lose, but I will return if I find additional evidence. With peace, 165.225.38.220 (talk) 21:27, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]