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What caused her to go?

all those underneath:

personal character
arbitrariness of human nature (watch: a. The Royal Institution, b. Gresham College, c. uctv all on YouTube)
bad friends

We cannot annihilate the percentage of arbitrariness/randomness of the human conduct.

If free will is the innate biological systemic noise, then there is no free will.
If free will is our genes then there is no free will.
If free will is our limited and not infinite environment then there is no free will.
If free will is biochemistry then there is no free will.

Free will is an explosion in the name of the supposedly Universal personhood; the god/allah.
Free will is a misconception.
Psychologically it's beneficial to believe in free will according to statistical data.
Psychologically it's not beneficial to be physically harmed by terrorists according to statistical data (the majority of the victims feel bad and that is measurable and quantifiable).
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:4118:DA00:5584:67A3:6753:D00C (talk) 21:19, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, seems like I did an oopsie

A few minutes ago I moved this page from "Shameena Begum (Shamina Begum)" to "Shamina Begum", thinking that this must be her real name. However, I'm ignorant of the fact that her real name might be "Shamima Begum" (BBC News, The Guardian). And I can't really fix this myself since Shamima Begum exists and is actually a redirect to this article (hmm...) Since I'm just a passerby (I came across this article because the news is talking about it) I hope someone might be able to verify her real name and to make necessary adjustments. Thank you. Ho Tuan Kiet (talk) 19:28, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in the process of correcting this. There are two separate people - this one, Sharmeena Begum, left the UK in December 2014. The news developments in the last week don't refer to her. They refer to Shamima Begum, who left the UK in Jan 2015 and whose mother is still alive (per cited source). She doesn't have her own article but is part of a joint article with the two teenagers who left at the same time as her. I will make adjustments necessary. 2A02:C7D:5E53:2500:F00E:CE51:5723:F363 (talk) 19:49, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've corrected everything in the body of the article, but my account isn't confirmed so I can't move the page. My view would be that this article should go to "Sharmeena Begum". "Shamima Begum" should redirect to Amira Abase, Shamima Begum and Kadiza Sultana. I'm about to list this on WP:Requested moves. 2A02:C7D:5E53:2500:F00E:CE51:5723:F363 (talk) 20:01, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

READ BEFORE UPDATING: Mistaken identity

This article is about Shamina or Sharmeena Begum, who left the UK in December 2014 and (as the article explains) whose mother died. News developments in February 2019 relate to ShamiMa Begum, who left the UK with two others in January 2015 and whose mother is still alive (and being referred to in press coverage.)

It's very unlikely that any news sources in February 2019 discussing a girl from the UK who travelled to join ISIS are about the subject of this article. Please triple check. I am 80% of the way through correcting recent edits that involved this mistake. 2A02:C7D:5E53:2500:F00E:CE51:5723:F363 (talk) 19:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mega confusion: Sharmeena Begum and Shamima Begum are two different women!

I m new here so have no idea how to go about untangling this mess, but careful attention to detail and sources show that Shamima who was one of the "Bethnal Green three" and who has now been stripped of her UK citizenship after giving birth in a Syrian refugee camp is simply not the same person as Sharmeema Begum.

"The three girls had joined another London teenager, Sharmeena Begum, in Syria." ^[1]

Others are editing this page as I type and are in fact replacing Sharmeena's story with Shamima's. The page originally said that the three girls followed Sharmmena Begum - who shared Shamima's surname but was no relation her,after she went to Syria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calatonia (talk • contribs) 20:02, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes - per previous entry on this page. If your account has been confirmed, I think it'd be extremely helpful to move this page to "Sharmeena Begum" to avoid confusion from the similar spelling. I've also requested this page be temporarily semi-protected in the meantime... 2A02:C7D:5E53:2500:F00E:CE51:5723:F363 (talk) 20:08, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

^ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/14/british-schoolgirl-joined-isil-found-syria-wants-come-home/

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