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Young Life International?

Hi, I was just wondering why this article almost explicitly talks about Young Life in the U.S.A. Young life is active in many countries around the world (over 60)^[1]. In fact, recently Young Life changed their "YL" logo to not resemble just a Y and L because the language differences in locations. --Serknap (talk) 16:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC) 1.[1][reply]

I totally agree with you, there needs to be an addition for the International Chapter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mojmills (talk • contribs) 20:21, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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^ http://www.younglife.org/PublicSite/Templates/Locator.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRNODEGUID=%7b87FD7709-662F-4E0E-8026-094E1441A672%7d&NRORIGINALURL=%2fLocator%2f&NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest

brainwashing kids?

i'm mostly a wikipedia reader rather than editor so i don't want to make any changes to the page but the section title seems to be a sort of vandalism. brainwashing kids can't possibly be the appropriate term, i personally go to young life and don't see myself or anyone else as being "brainwashed" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.235.202.45 (talk) 21:03, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's what they want you to think! They're brainwashing you into a zombie, but they're doing it so secretively that you can't tell. Isn't it obvious that nont of this is vandalism? That's my two scents 05:13, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Young Life is NOT brainwashing kids. I work at Young Life and guarantee that all we are trying to do is share God's love with these kids. I would love for you to visit a Young Life camp and see for yourself. Please message me, I would love to talk to you! User:RayburnGirls9 13:51, 2 July, 2015 — Preceding undated comment added 18:51, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I want to be upfront in saying that I currently work with Young Life - and wanted to ask for a correction on Denny Rydberg's salary. It's referenced from Forbes, but that's actually just the Top pay which according to footnotes "may not be that of listed top person," and in this case, is not. His salary infomation as reported to the IRS in 2010 is actually $370,333 as shown on page 8 of our Form 990 (which can be seen here: ^[1]). Please help me by editing that information! Thank you! Ebranscombe (talk) 20:22, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good point that the sentence is a misinterpretation of the source. To fix this problem, I chose to remove that sentence entirely, since a self-published PDF also isn't a strong source. Information about living people needs to be handled carefully - see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. The article is not well sourced in general, with mostly self-published sources instead of reliable sources, but that's a different problem. Dreamyshade (talk) 11:21, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Second request from a Young Life employee - could we please remove the "cult" in the first line that says "Young Life is a evangelical Christian cult..." Calling Young Life a cult violates one of the pillars that Wikipedia is based on "Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view." Thank you for your help! Ebranscombe (talk) 23:52, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

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I currently work for Young Life, and I wanted to ask for a correction to remove the nickname for the president Newt Crenshaw. I am unaware of this as his nickname and don't believe it's attributed to anything. Furthermore, I think it's done in fun but could be viewed as derogatory. Thank you! 63.230.64.72 (talk) 22:35, 6 August 2019 (UTC) GKnipp[reply]

Editing

Hello all! I am a college student editing this page for an assignment of mine. Being a relatively new wikipedia user, I am still trying to get the hang of editing perfectly. So if I make an edit and something is wrong will you please contact me instead of just deleting what you think is wrong. Considering my Professor is going to look over the article if my edit is deleted, it would not be good for me. Thank you! --Sneakgeek2 —Preceding undated comment added 14:09, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Sneakgeek2: Hello. Please discuss your concerns here. I doubt your professor would appreciate you using their assignment as an excuse for unvetted work being published in a collaborative project. That may not have been your intention, but that's kinda what it looks like you're trying to do. I'm willing to help, but you need to understand why your contributions were not an improvement to the article. While I appreciate your contributions, the burden is on you to make sure that your changes meet Wikipedia's guidelines.

Information must be supported by reliable sources (WP:RS), and content must clearly be encyclopedic. The info about the "Five Cs" needs context explaining why it's encyclopedically significant to the larger topic, because it really, really just looks like internal jargon and Young Life boosterism. The way to include this would be to find a WP:SECONDARY source which is independent of Young Life that explains what the Five Cs are, and why they matter.

The info on cultic characteristics is even more of a problem. The source you cited from CARM.ORG did not mention anything about Young Life. This suggests that you are using Wikipedia to publish original research (WP:OR), which is not allowed. Additionally, the CARN article doesn't appear to be a reliable source, anyway.

Much of the other information you added or restored lacked any sources at all. While that info may be factual, Wikipedia articles must be verifiable (WP:V), meaning there must be some outside way to assess the claims being made. Adding information you personally know to be true is, at best, a temporary step that can be helpful for non-controversial content. Since the article is already tagged as being too promotional and too reliant on primary sources, your additions aren't routine enough to go unchallenged. The addition of minor and WP:UNDUE details makes the article more flattering, but makes it less reliable. Does that make sense? Grayfell (talk) 22:12, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism section

This criticism section is a particularly glaring violation of NPOV. In order for our readers to understand "sin talk" and "non-negotiables" we must provide context regarding the guiding principles or other foundational or operating guidelines of Young Life. Additionally we need to inform readers regarding the bias of Tony Jones. This section is POV and not balanced. This is obviously necessary to improve the article and is in accordance with out policies WP:STRUCTURE and WP:CRITICISM and lastly an accusation of "whitewashing" could be construed as a personal attack. Please WP:AGF. – Lionel^(talk) 08:40, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The article is already overstuffed with primary-sources and borderline promotional routine trivia, so labeling a section "Guiding principles" and then asking for it to be expanded is also asking for trouble. This section title was also non-neutral and confusing, since the connection between "Guiding principles" and what was discussed by that section was subjective at best. I don't particularly like CSECTIONs either, but as a neutral encyclopedia, we cannot use vague 'shop-talk' like "guiding principles" when discussing staff being fired or quitting in protest. This phrase is fine for a church's own website, but it's not formal, neutral language. To me, this is subtly whitewashing the article by presenting the controversy in an even more confusing format than it already was.

I do think this should be explained better, and probably also expanded, but I do not believe that the combination of changing the section title and adding the 'expand' template were appropriate ways to do that. The title change shifted this away from the specific point being discussed by those sources to something else, which is not original research, but does seem like it's inviting original research.

I'm talking specifically about your edit of the article in the past-tense. I have no knowledge or interest in you, personally. Grayfell (talk) 10:11, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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