Jump to content

Talk:All Elite Wrestling

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by BobbyFundiJr (talk | contribs) at 07:18, 1 October 2019 (→AEW on TBS: new section). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Headquarters?

I have not see any sources mention where the AEW headquarters are at, is the assumption that it will be at this location based on anything reliable? Or just a conclusion drawn from the Kahns involvement? MPJ-DK (talk) 18:44, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think is assumption. I would remove it --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 20:57, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That was my thought too, but I figured I'd ask first. MPJ-DK (talk) 22:30, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Best bet would be to remove it for now until officially confirmed. --HC7 (talk) 23:36, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cody Rhodes, Matt and Nick Jackson are the company's inaugural contracted employees not founders

Hello,

Cody Rhodes, Matt and Nick Jackson are the company's inaugural contracted employees not founders. Per Cody's Twitter there will be few more executive VPs as well. The Young bucks (Matt and Nick) probably aren't even inaugural employees [1].

ThanksDoilyminis (talk) 22:44, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oriental Wrestling Entertaniment

Soemone as to create Oriental Wrestling Entertaniment it's now notable.

So will anyone create or should be created? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8A0:6A20:2F00:6C64:6835:456F:B0BB (talk) 23:20, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just because they're affiliated with AEW doesn't make them notable. JTP (talk • contribs) 00:12, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You are correct, but significant coverage in independent third-party reliable sources do and OWE actually had that prior to AEW so I wrote the article. MPJ-DK (talk) 17:14, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Change logo to IDENTICAL logo activities

I have pointed this out on Speedy Question Mark's page that it makes no sense to reupload the exact same logo under a different name, unless someone is trying to hide the history of the original image. Especially a 'Non Free' image like this. MPJ-DK (talk) 04:29, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not trying to hide anything... WHAT is there to hide anyway? I've already explained why but you keep ignoring what I'm saying! It just feels like you guys are making a mountain out of a molehill. Speedy Question Mark (talk) 13:42, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Your explanation was that you were trying to clean up old revisions. This is not a justifiable reason for uploading a duplicate image, AND those old revisions will be auto-deleted today. Wicka wicka (talk) 16:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It was done in good faith because it looked rather messy in my opinion but I will stop. Speedy Question Mark (talk) 17:17, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shahid's a founder?

Isn't Shahid Khan just a investor not a founder, unlike his son Tony? Speedy Question Mark (talk) 18:33, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments, February 2019

The article looks to be in good shape. Kudos to everyone who worked for this throughout the past month! THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 21:55, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some of my comments for improvement:
  • In May 2017, journalist Dave Meltzer made a comment that the American professional wrestling promotion Ring of Honor (ROH) could not sell 10,000 tickets for a professional wrestling event. The comment was responded to by professional wrestlers Cody and The Young Bucks (the tag team of Matt and Nick Jackson), who were top stars signed to ROH and good friends both inside and outside of professional wrestling as part of the group Bullet Club (and, later, The Elite). - This part could be written in a much better way. Like why are Dave Meltzer and ROH so significant, and potentially WWE could be added to the mix. I am not sure about this, but I think overtime, the 10,000 seats thing will lose it's worth overtime. Just the All In event is enough and will work for the general audience.
  • Is it only Cody or Cody Rhodes?
  • Why isn't Brandy Rhodes mentioned in infobox as a key individual and on the lead as one of the inaugurals?
  • WP:ALL CAPS refs should be fixed asap. Make sure they are reliable according to WP:PW/RS.
  • What's the "SoCal Uncensored"?
SCU is a stable consisting of Frankie Kazarian, Christopher Daniels and Scorpio Sky. JTP (talk • contribs) 18:48, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like outside of match results we should refer to him as Cody Rhodes in the article. This is based off it being his WP: COMMONNAME. StaticVapor message me! 21:15, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

One question. Why is Sonny Kiss listed under the female talent? I saw him during LU, but as far as I know, he is a man. Source doesn't mention he is part of the female division. Did I miss something?--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:12, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

About the comments. Use Cody Rhodes as promoter. During the matches and storylines (the character) just Cody. Brandi should be in the infobox. About The Elite, it's everything. It's a group of friend, they are promoters and also work as a stable. Maybe a mix between Perros del Mal, The Kliq and... any pro wrestling stable. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:16, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to merge male and female wreslters for WP:GNL. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 22:08, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why? What's the point? I don't see why a distinction between male and female divisions enter into GNL. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 00:29, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I was just thinking that if AEW introduces intergender matches, then we might not need to have separate lists for males and females. All wrestlers will be the same and without gender specification to better GNL. Aside from that, Cody Rhodes' (and others') real name should be used if their any sources that mentions that in terms of business POV. Otherwise, Cody Rhodes or Cody, depending on what majority of the sources use. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 21:04, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, Cody Rhodes is the common name, but he can't use it during matches because WWE. Same as Fenix and Pentagon Jr, sources call them Pentagon Jr and Fenix even if they wrestle as Penta el 0M and King Fenix. As for the roster, I don't see how GNL enters here. If the promotion has two divisions, it would be divided, nothing wrong. Like AAA or CMLL, they have male wrestlers and minis, but it doesn't mean minis aren men, just they are in their own division. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 00:11, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

information Note:Now is the best time to start archiving sources before they become jam-packed. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 21:13, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Contracts

AEW wrestlers are not employees. The only ones who are employees are those who also have full-time backstage roles, e.g. Kenny Omega. Please stop adding this statement. Wicka wicka (talk) 17:47, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source for that? Because the source that you removed, which is considered a reliable mainstream (that is, non-wrestling-specific) one, clearly states that they are, in contrast to WWE wrestlers' status as independent contractors, and that distinction is part of the appeal to signing with AEW. Your removal seems unfounded and removed important information. oknazevad (talk) 19:05, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I read the source, it does NOT say that. Provide a quote immediately. Wicka wicka (talk) 19:08, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Read a bit closer: ...the men and women of AEW are employees and they deserve the benefits which come with that status. JTP (talk • contribs) 19:10, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a statement of fact. It is a comment on the way that wrestling promotions consider their wrestlers to be "independent contractors" and a suggestion that they should, instead, be considered employees. This is obvious if you read the entire paragraph, AND if you read the Deadspin article on which the Vice article is based, in which the author explicitly states:
"there were still plenty of questions concerning employee status and extending health insurance to wrestlers"
Find a source with someone from the company actually confirming all their wrestlers are employees. Wicka wicka (talk) 19:14, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Here are the details, it depends on the wrestler and their involvement, quoting Tony Kahn [2] . - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 19:19, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This doesn't say all wrestlers are employees. In fact, it explicitly suggests otherwise. Again, the line as currently written in the article is a blatant lie. Wicka wicka (talk) 19:21, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oknazevad or NotTheFakeJTP, provide a source immediately that proves your claim or remove this sentence from the article. It is not acceptable that we are openly lying to our readers. Wicka wicka (talk) 19:23, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oknazevad/NotTheFakeJTP, how is it that you reverted my corrections so quickly, and had time to level accusations of edit warring at me just as quick, but now you fall silent? Wicka wicka (talk) 19:26, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is absolutely incredible. These two dudes are INSTANTLY here to revert my correction and to jump down my throat on this talk page. When it's explained that they're wrong, they vanish. Wicka wicka (talk) 19:54, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dude, its been 30 minutes, you need to calm down. I agree with you, they are not all covered, thats been said many times, its depends on the wrestler and their role in the company. But you need to just calm down and give people a chance. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 19:59, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Did they give me a chance? They took barely 30 seconds to revert my corrections. Wicka wicka (talk) 20:04, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, when you remove sourced material with no evidence, it does look bad. I'm willing to wait for more definitive sources one way or the other. Galatz's source is a good start. oknazevad (talk) 21:07, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I know Cagesideseats is not a RS, but this article [3] does a good job of summarizing everything, with a listing of sources for each item. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 21:52, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
oknazevad Let me make something abundantly clear, because I absolutely loathe when people trot out this argument: I do not have to, and often literally cannot, provide negative evidence to "disprove" a fabricated statement. You (or another editor, not sure who) misunderstood a source and wrote a sentence that was factually untrue, which claimed that all AEW wrestlers are employees. The fact that this is not true does not mean that I can always find a source that explicitly states that they are not employees. But I don't need to, because I am not the one making an assertion - YOU are. YOU asserted that all AEW wrestlers are employees, YOU must provide a source that proves that statement, and if you cannot prove that statement then it WILL be removed, regardless of what evidence I do or do not bring to the table. This is basic, fundamental logic. Wicka wicka (talk) 23:45, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Did you notice I removed it the most recent time? I now agree that it is an insufficient source for the claim (which was also ungrammatically written, too). oknazevad (talk) 23:49, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I removed this, all the talk of permission and exclusivity was WP:SYNTH of the cited source. StaticVapor message me! 23:11, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Does this section even need to exists? All it says is that AEW doesn't reveal info about their contracts. That is true of pretty much EVERY wrestling promotion and the section adds nothing. 108.176.81.42 (talk) 00:17, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cody, Bucks, and Kenny's real names vs ring names

Should we keep Cody, Kenny, and The Bucks' real name or their ring names under the "Key people" section? Using their names just sounds a bit more professional. Or we could do "Cody Runnels (Cody Rhodes)". Just suggesting Jedi Striker (talk) 17:51, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fake AEW website

Somebody has changed the website link to ".org" which is obviously a fake AEW site, the real site is ".com". Speedy Question Mark (talk) 02:04, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Speedy Question Mark: Where? I only see links to .com. StaticVapor message me! 02:46, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just as I expected; an IP added it to AEW's Wikidata page. JTP (talk • contribs) 03:12, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unified Event List Format for all Professional Wrestling promotions

Are there any plans to modify the formatting for the event list to match other Professional Wrestling promotions?

WWE and New Japan Pro Wrestling (probably more) all use the following event list format:

Year

Date Event Venue Location Main Event
Date (without year) Event Name Venue name Location Name Example main event

Ring of Honor uses a slightly different format of the above, with an additional column for PPV number at the beginning.

NXT and now All Elite Wrestling cut the year header from above the event list and just add the year to the date column. NXT and AEW also have their venue and location columns transposed.

I'm not familiar with Wiki editing or how to make suggestions for entire groups of content, but I feel like this would be a good project to get uniformity between all Professional Wrestling promotions.

Zirekyle (talk) 01:03, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Zirekyle: You make a good point about the tables; making a thread at WT:PW will be the best way to contact a large group of pro wrestling editors. JTP (talk • contribs) 01:34, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

AEW redirect

Closed as maintain at current redirect. starship.paint (talk) 14:07, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I will be redirecting AEW to this page from Airborne early warning and control. Per the page views, it is the primary topic. starship.paint (talk) 15:02, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have reverted for now. Any redirect that long-standing should be more widely discussed, especially when the change appears that it may be a victim Of WP:RECENTISM. The discussion should be at WP:RFD in order to have the discussion on neutral ground, as it were. oknazevad (talk) 16:02, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please discuss at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 May 27#AEW. Thank you. starship.paint (talk) 11:36, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Avoid YouTube as references

I know that the company's storylines and production depends a lot on the YouTube channels but they are still primary sources. There are plenty of second hand coverage to replace them and I would encourage that. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 08:44, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2019

Add section call programming. Add TV show to section there. Add events as section under section. ImAWrestlingFan (talk) 21:48, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 13:19, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I believe this was the request [6]. Programming was all included in the "Formation" section which didn't really make sense. I bumped it down to its own subheader, which I think is what was more or less requested. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 13:49, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

AEW on TBS

TBS returns to wrestling as the home AEW Wrestling.

Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Elite_Wrestling&oldid=918987558"