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Map needs updating
Now several months out of date. Sdrawkcab (talk) 11:43, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
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Size of the infobox
Yeah, it's as massive as ever...
Ran the page-size tool on it and here are the results
- File size: 256 kB
- Prose size (including all HTML code): 1 B
- References (including all HTML code): 0 B
- Wiki text: 53 kB
- Prose size (text only): 1 B (1 words) "readable prose size"
- References (text only): 0 B
And another thing - according to the Manual of Style guideline of MOS:INFOBOX, infoboxes are supposed to provide a summary of the article, an overview of the article. This infobox has people in it who are not listed in the article at all like Riad Darar & Qasem Soleimani, it has multiple hide-show components that link elsewhere - like Units Involved/Opposing forces which leads to Belligerents of the Syrian Civil War#Opposing forces which is massive in and of itself, meaning the infobox is even bigger than you think it is at first glance. MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE states
- When considering any aspect of infobox design, keep in mind the purpose of an infobox: to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored). The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance. Of necessity, some infoboxes contain more than just a few fields; however, wherever possible, present information in short form, and exclude any unnecessary content.
The size of the infobox has been mentioned on the talk page before - sometimes by me, sometimes by others, here are a few examples:
- Talk:Syrian Civil War/Archive 48#My recent edit to infobox
- RfC (Talk:Syrian Civil War/Archive 48#Request for comment on size of infobox)
- Talk:Syrian Civil War/Archive 48#I posted at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous) about the size of the infobox
- Village pumps (miscellaneous) - Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 61#The infobox at Syrian Civil War...
I gave up on my earlier efforts to reduce the size of the infobox a while ago and at this time don't intend to even try to reduce the size myself (though consensus at the RfC was for the size of the infobox being reduced) so perhaps this was all just a bit of a rant but looking at how big the infobox has gotten, I do think we need to ask ourselves - does the infobox serve the article or does the article serve the infobox... Shearonink (talk) 06:11, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Shearonink: I think I've brought it up before but does the infobox really need all the extra bullet points and additional subleaders? Like can't we just have the political and military leader for example or just the "Syrian Republic" and "Interim Government" People can click on those links and read more about the various divisions right? In order to measurably reduce the size some actual cuts are needed. Would need some consensus on this though as people are going to try to revert it. - MTWEmperor (talk • contribs) 01:20, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
@Shearonink: @MTWEmperor: I've tried placing {{clear}} after the box and a paragraph of lead before it, so at least part of the lead is visible when you load the article, but ppl keep reverting it to visual garbage. Is there an option to collapse the info box, the way we do nav boxes? That would be at least a temporary fix until we work out a permanent solution. — kwami (talk) 20:14, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
- Needs to be fix as per previous talks. One of the worst accessibility problems we have seen on Wikipedia for a major article.--Moxy 🍁 00:38, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Notice about creation of related article
I just came across Astana Platform in the new page queue and noticed that it's not well-integrated with other Syrian Civil War articles. It's also heavily reliant on Sputnik and other dubious sources and thus could probably use some attention from editors active in this subject. signed, Rosguill talk 20:32, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
Timeline section navigation
Hi there. I can't help but feel that the whole timeline area is somewhat difficult to navigate currently. The Afghanistan war article has a layout which could apply here: War in Afghanistan (2001-present)#History. That is, a table with dates down the left, and a one-line description of what happened on the right with a link to the relevant articles. The war is of course an incredibly complex topic- but something like this:
Period | Main event(s) |
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March–July 2011 | Protests, civil uprising, and defections |
July 2011–April 2012 | Initial armed insurgency |
... | ... |
--ERAGON (talk) 21:03, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
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The whole article needs a rewrite, it for example lists allied forces as bellingerents. And it's locked so that nobody can actually do anything to deal with its problems.
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