Talk:Semi-vegetarianism/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

The table

How does this table help? If anything, it leads people to think that veganism is completely distinct from vegetarianism, when it's really an aspect of vegetarianism, and it leads people to think that ovo-lacto vegetarianism is synonymous with vegetarianism when there are different varieties of vegetarianism. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:58, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

It is very distinct. Vegans don't eat anything from an animal, such as butter, milk, cheese, or eggs, while vegetarians do. I've been vegan on and off but am vegetarian at this point because I eat some "sweets" which contain cows milk, and am a sucker for pancakes which probably have egg and/or milk in them. And nan. Nan usually has butter. When I am vegan I don't eat those things. The chart differentiates, although I'd cut off the semi-vegetarian section because there is no such thing, no matter what sources say. Randy Kryn 22:23, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Randy Kryn, as you know, we go by what reliable sources state for our Wikipedia articles. There are reliable sources, in both the Vegetarianism and Veganism articles, that are very clear that veganism is an aspect of vegetarianism. By discussions I've had with you at Template talk:Veganism and vegetarianism, I am well aware that you are strict with distinguishing a vegan from a vegetarian, but many people are not. I am a vegetarian. Some of my friends are vegan, and they simply call themselves vegetarians unless they feel they need to distinguish. Regardless of the way we or others distinguish these terms, there is still the fact that the table leads people to think that ovo-lacto vegetarianism is synonymous with vegetarianism when there are different varieties of vegetarianism. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:54, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Flyer22 Reborn (cool name). True, yet there are likely many sources which differentiate between the two enough to separate them a bit on Wikipedia and to keep Veganism as a very closely related topic. It sounds like you are suggesting something like eventually merging the two topics and doing away with vegan related pages. Or am I misinterpreting your intent? Ovo-lacto seems pretty much one common definition of vegetarianism, and since a vegan (as opposed to most venetians) eats nothing from animals, the term greatly overlaps with other forms of vegetarianism yet has that major recognized difference. On a personal note, I think an almost-vegan diet, hydration - so many ills are symptoms of dehydration - and a large intake of Vitamin C are three major keys to health and well-being, among other practices of course. I like my occasional pancake or four though, alas. Randy Kryn 13:19, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

No, I was not suggesting that the Vegetarianism and Veganism articles be merged. Why would I suggest that? Branches of vegetarianism that are notable enough to have their own Wikipedia articles and can be expanded beyond WP:Stubs should have them. Of course there should be a Veganism article. And, no, I'm not stating that all other veganism topics should be merged with vegetarianism topics. Anyway, as seen here and here, a suspicious IP altered the table...seemingly in response to this discussion. The "pollo-pescetarianism" listing should be removed. It is not notable enough for its own article. It's covered in this short article and that's enough. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:07, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, reverted most of those edits. I must be missing why you wanted the table to call veganism vegetarianism then. And the IP didn't take into account that grains and rice, etc. are all seeds. Ummmmmm, seeds. And Happy New Year! Randy Kryn 03:39, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

I didn't state that I wanted the table to call veganism "vegetarianism." I was simply noting that I don't see how the table helps, and that it can lead people to think that veganism is completely distinct from vegetarianism. We've already been over that I meant that veganism is a branch of vegetarianism. My main issue with the table is that it implied that ovo-lacto vegetarianism is synonymous with vegetarianism when there are different varieties of vegetarianism. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:50, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Term for people that don't eat flesh from bovines

Is there a term for these people ? See Talk:Environmental_impact_of_meat_production KVDP (talk) 14:53, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Intelligent? Randy Kryn 15:02, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

I was thinking on something like nonbovinarian, but this term hasn't been coined yet. I have found indications that some people have thought about this too (so I'm not alone in this). KVDP (talk) 14:55, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Change name to 'Flexitarian'?

Was going to put this up for an RM but thought I'd run it by page regulars first. Flexitarian seems the common name, or close enough. Thoughts? Happy New Year to all too! Randy Kryn (talk) 19:55, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

I agree! See https://www.bbc.com/news/health-46865204 for example. Lena Key (talk) 22:40, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Lena Key, it's been over a year since I wrote the above and you're the first reply. At some point soon a move could be requested, but since nobody has objected maybe it could just be a non-controversial change. Will give it a day or two to see if anyone objects to a non-controversial move. And to be consistent - Happy New Year. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:28, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

I missed this section until now. Per WP:NEO and "flexitarian" being broad while a semi-vegetarian may, for example, be a pescetarian, I object to the move. A topic like this is better served by a descriptive title. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:08, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

• Support. The term "semi-vegetarianism" does not make sense to me, even if some tabloids may use such a neologism. What about semi-health, or semi-deafness, or semi-celibacy? — kashmīrī ^TALK 09:14, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

One can start a WP:Requested moves discussion, but the argument should be based on one or more Wikipedia rules. We don't go by what makes sense to individual editors. We go by things such as WP:Article titles and WP:NEO. And just like with the term flexitarian, which isn't readily accessible to readers (because it's not a descriptive title), semi-vegetarianism is not just used by tabloids. I wouldn't even state that it's used by tabloids. What tabloids? I've seen the term used in enough decent non-media sources. For example, this 2010 "Medical Problems in Dentistry E-Book" source, from Elsevier Health Sciences, states, "Semi-vegetarians eat a little poultry along with fish, as well as dairy products and eggs." As for flexitarian, other than media sources, I mainly see it used in self-help sources or sources with "flexitarian" in the title, like this "The Flexitarian Diet: The Mostly Vegetarian Way to Lose Weight, Be Healthier, Prevent Disease, and Add Years to Your Life" source. And we can see that it even states "mostly vegetarian." Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:54, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Comparison to 'carnetarianism'

Wqqkjans insists on adding this fabricated term. There are many terms for a "mixed diet" which by definition does not need to be included to better understand "semi-vegetarianism". Wqqkjans has been warned twice about WP:3RR; further disruptive editing without discussion and consensus from talk page editors will likely get the user blocked. --Zefr (talk) 19:39, 7 June 2019 (UTC)