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Political Impact/Psychology

Europe Elects reported in two articles about the effects of voters being more in favour of their leaders in opinion polling, which seems to be related to the COVID-19 pandemic. This could be included in the article.

EU Parliament Projection: Corona Rallies Europeans Around the Flag: https://europeelects.eu/2020/04/02/rally-around-the-flag-corona-and-voting-behaviour-in-europe/ Coronavirus: European Leaders Enjoy Surging Approval Ratings Amid Crisis: https://europeelects.eu/2020/04/01/coronavirus-european-leaders-enjoy-surging-approval-ratings-amid-crisis/

Map of Spain

Is there not a way to find another type of map for Spain or the Canary Islands Archipelago would be relatively close to the peninsula to facilitate the reading of the map, the vast majority currently represent a vacuum. This kind of map is currently used for the French one for exemple.

Suggestion: map with sub-national ratio of cases

As cases are not spread throughout the whole country and as every region has a different total population, sub-national data of this the number of cases divided by total population (in the considered sub-national political units) should give a better picture of risk, which is ideally presented by a map.

Ursula von der Leyen statement

https://audiovisual.ec.europa.eu/en/video/I-186565 (English) https://audiovisual.ec.europa.eu/en/video/I-186566 (French)

Why is Europe the most badly affected continent?

Europe is the worst affected continent, both in proportion to its size & its population - despite the pandemic originating thousands of miles away. The article should explain why that has happened. Jim Michael (talk) 07:31, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If someone can find reliable sources explaining and proving why this is the case, then it can be added to the article. As far as I know at the moment it is too soon to have full and clear explanations for why it is hitting Europe. --Ritchie92 (talk) 09:48, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Even if Europe is thousands of miles away from China, that's only few hours by plane (as suggested by the 12 Monkeys movie)
The three main European countries contributing to this European score are Italy, Spain and France.
Spain and Italy are used to kissing greetings, have terraces and Spaniards and Italians are older than US inhabitants and Spaniards and Italians smoke more than US inhabitants do https://dailytimes.com.pk/580411/why-did-coronavirus-hit-hard-in-italy-and-spain/

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.136.209.235 (talk) 21:15, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Kissing on cheeks greetings is also the normal standard of friendliness in France, or at least handshakes (between men). Giving this up is unlikely to have been/be easy. Boud (talk) 23:50, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair we could add that — out of Asia — the two first countries where the covid19 epidemic spreads were Iran and Italy, the two countries involved in the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). Lombardy and Tuscany are the two regions that saw the most Chinese investment. https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/03/19/its-no-coincidence-that-italy-and-iran-have-been-so-hard-hit-by-the-wuhan-virus/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.136.209.235 (talk) 14:43, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
While it's mostly conjecture at this point, the path of the virus be traced more reliably through sites like nextstrain[1] As to the fast spread in Europe: I suspect the population density accompanied by a high volume of cross border travel will have aided the spread. In general I think it can be said that European countries were caught off guard and didn't have the experience of Asian countries with recent outbreaks. Added to that there are a lot of local reasons, such as in the Netherlands case a lot of wintersporters were returning from Italy while at the same time people in the south were celebrating Carnival. Only at the beginning of March it was conclusively established that the virus was infective even before the symptoms showed and I think that caught everyone off guard. Some medical practitioners in hospitals in the south were found to have been infected even before the first case was known in the Netherlands. 84.87.99.58 (talk) 03:25, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Travels are also possible at a large scale within the USA or within China or within India or within Russia, without internal borders. Thus, this is not the only and main reason.
While nextrain [1] shows a map with most of European countries have mostly light blue (A2a) coronavirus, and Unites-States has mostly orange (B1) coronavirus, does this provide the full picture? and what is the differences between the A2aand the B1?
Might be sampled genomes are limited by the test strategy which is not the same everywhere? (It looks like France and Italy were not in capacity to import tests early, while USA and Germany can make numerous tests) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.136.209.235 (talk) 21:13, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree its not the only reason, though I would contend that Europe has got a more continuous densely populated area, at least in the west. I’m not at all an expert, but i understand the origins of certain strains can be traced if enough countries have added their fieldwork. At the moment it’s too incomplete as you say, but for certain strains a route can already be traced if you click on one. The uniqueness of certain strains would become more pronounced when the virus has had the chance to mutate in a certain place, so would become more visible per region over time. 84.87.99.58 (talk) 22:51, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Germany - where kissing as a greeting is much less common than in France, Italy & Spain - also has a very high incidence of infection, so what are the reasons for its high infection rate? How has Germany managed to have a far lower death rate from it? Jim Michael (talk) 14:13, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This question might be easy. Each EU member (including brexiting UK) keeps its own sovereignty in its way to manage this crisis.
German has many tests and many masks and capacity to produce more https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-german-tests-develop-private-pharma-company-cdc-a9406956.html
France had had one billion masked stored one decade ago, but for cost killings changed its policy to buy only when needed. Now everybody wants to buy masks and tests, but the demand is very competitive while the offer has some kind of inertia.
Thus Germany makes many tests and find many cases which can be isolated, while France makes possible tests and find less cases and cannot separate people on a covid-19 criteria.
There are also differences on the way deaths are counted. For instance some countries do postmortem tests while other do not https://www.thelocal.fr/20200311/coronavirus-death-rates-why-do-they-vary-so-much-between-countries
Just to illustrate, the number of deaths in France was deaths in hospital, while the number of deaths in EHPAD was not counted while now this second counting started. https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2020-03-27---ps-deputies-call-for-%22transparency%22-on-deaths-in-ephad-.r1AxtnsU8.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.136.155.241 (talk) 13:10, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

History section

A history section could be added to clarify the virus was yet introduced in Lombardy in January 2020 and spread in France in February 2020?

Fix the archive bot

Can someone fix the archive bot that was put on this page? I think it never actually worked, and this page is becoming too long. --Ritchie92 (talk) 08:33, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ritchie92, should be fixed now. Mdaniels5757 (talk) 18:38, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2020

There are now 188 cases in Malta 213.217.240.27 (talk) 15:05, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Mdaniels5757 (talk) 00:10, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2020

Could be added here to Germany or pandemic in Germany article: A group of patients from Lombardy in Italy and the border region of Alsace in France were treated in Germany.[2] 14.42.205.228 (talk) 23:34, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ https://nextstrain.org/ncov?c=clade_membership&f_country=Netherlands&l=radial
  2. ^ https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-treating-european-patients-in-germany/a-52943695
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