Talk:List of Star Trek television series

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Merge proposal

Personally I think it's an obvious move to bring this more into line with other similar List of film/TV franchise articles. But, notably, Star Trek (film series) is actually about three film franchises, which are connected to the TV series in the same overall franchise. Putting it one page just makes more sense.

I suggest moving the cast/crew-related sections to List of Star Trek production staff. The Even-Odd popularity section really belongs on Cultural influence of Star Trek. If there's no strong objection, I'll make this page a redirect once I'm sure all the information has been replicated elsewhere. UpdateNerd (talk) 19:13, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Follow the instructions here WP:PROPMERGE Rdzogschen (talk) 19:27, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I did. This is the discussion. :) UpdateNerd (talk) 20:58, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Have you posted talk on the other page? Rdzogschen (talk) 00:24, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There's no need. The dicussion link from both merge templates at the top of the articles link here. UpdateNerd (talk) 00:26, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This was an awfully short discussion. I wish there was more discussion over this. Oldag07 (talk) 16:42, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I also don't see something on WP:STARTREK. I am considering reversing the change, and reopening the discussion. Oldag07 (talk) 16:44, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please state your reasons and get consensus first. Lots of people have been working on the current page. UpdateNerd (talk) 20:57, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am not against the move per say. I guess I wish you advertised the discussion more. Messaging the top 5-10 editors [1], on both pages, posting on the wikiproject is encouraged. At least try to get more than one person to support the move.

Star Wars has a combined page like this. The MCU separates the two. so pages like this are hardly standard
The original film page was over 70000 bytes. If anything, we probably should have split the movie page WP:SIZERULE
This page is technically a list but I would argue lists, in general, should be shorter. WP:LISTPURP A feature film page is where we could expand things.
I personally like the fact that this page was created. I think both pages can co-exist with each other. I guess I am not arguing against this page's existence, but to bring back the film franchise page.
I guess I will do so when I get the time.... Which could be never.

Oldag07 (talk) 18:02, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I understand all of the points you just made; thanks for explaining in more detail. I argued for a similar solution of creating a "Star Wars in film" page separate from the list, but consensus determined that a "List" does not need to be interpreted so literally... based on the MCU article. Maybe there is some cause to reopen the conversation at some point, but I don't have the energy to jump on that train now either. My main argument against an article about Star Trek films being very necessary is that most of the films have less to do with one another than they do with the series they're based on.

However, there are specific pages for each Star Wars trilogy, which go into much more detail. I wouldn't be against similar separate articles for the individual series of Trek films. UpdateNerd (talk) 23:29, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I replied to this on your talk page. Again, I appreciate your hard work UpdateNerd. Further discussion can be found on WP:Lists Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Lists#Star_Trek_and_Star_Wars_lists Oldag07 (talk) 01:39, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If we were to spin the pages out again, List of Star Trek episodes could be merged into the Star Trek TV page. I thought about adding more to the table I made, but the table here is far superior to what I have.... Oldag07 (talk) 21:17, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

While I'm not sold on the article series, I do reject the wisdom of redirecting the page here. First off, I'm not sure it makes sense to have a list of films and television series combined, given you're combining two different mediums. Secondly, this isn't a list. It's short paragraphs linking to the actual relevant lists of episodes. This is structured more like an article than a list, and in that case this is colliding into redundancy with the main Star Trek article (at this point, I don't see the point of this article at all when there should be a List of Star Trek films and then the existing List of Star Trek: X episodes. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 18:55, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

An article doesn't have to be composed of primarily tables or minimal info to be considered a list (although I've argued the same point in the past). List of Marvel Cinematic Universe films is a FA and includes sections of pure prose. UpdateNerd (talk) 21:21, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tabling that tack for the moment, it's still fusing together TV and movies that have very little in common for being the same franchise, thanks to different rightsholders and creative teams, especially in the last few years. Why do we need a partially redundant list here for the TV when it's content that's found elsewhere? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 12:54, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lead actor images, logos, etc.

Per MOS:SANDWICH, I recommend removing the lead actor images. This was the solution applied to Star Trek. Rdzogschen (talk) 08:09, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think the actor images should remain; that way one article has the logos, this more detailed one the headshots. UpdateNerd (talk) 08:12, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The page looks crowded there. Why MOS:SANDWICHING was written yes? One or the other is my vote, but I *lean toward* logos. If both HAVE to be there put them on the same side and shrink them so they fit within the bounds of that series info. Wanderer0 (talk) 08:24, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You both realize this has been fought over on Star Trek at least once a year? Almost always lands on the side of series logos, until someone adds the lead actor images, and then WP:EDITWAR. :) Rdzogschen (talk) 08:27, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Trekkies… Am I right? Whichever/whatever works, as long as the page reads easy, etc. EDITWARRHHGH!!! ;) Wanderer0 (talk) 08:29, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:List of Star Trek episodes#Proposed changes

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"Untitled Star Trek sequel" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Titular space stations

A caption of one of the article's images says that Avery Brooks played Captain Benjamin Sisko in Deep Space Nine, commander of the titular space station. This put a question in my mind which, I see, I'm not the first to puzzle about: Do Female Astronauts Wear Bras in Space? I feel the article should address this issue. E Eng 00:00, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]