Talk:George Floyd protests

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Inappropriate split

This is a completely unnecessary split from the death of George Floyd article. The two events are tied together, there is zero reason to separate them at this point. Make a h2 section on the Death article to make the riots section stand out if necessary there. --Masem (t) 05:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. The protests have escalated into riots and have been gaining increasing international attention. It deserves its own page. Nahnah4 (talk | contribs) 06:52, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Articles for each is standard when they're both notable enough. For example, Shooting of Michael Brown & Ferguson unrest. Jim Michael (talk) 06:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 May 2020

It has been proposed in this section that George Floyd protests be renamed and moved to 2020 United States police brutality riots.

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2020 Twin Cities riots → 2020 United States police brutality riots – Riots have spread beyond the Twin Cities; for instance, rioting has occurred in Columbus, Ohio, and numerous other cities as well (see NBC4 report on the rioting/protests that occurred: https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/crowds-gather-across-columbus-to-protest-police-brutality/ Also see Twitter post by NBC4 reporter Eric Halperin: https://twitter.com/EricHalperinTV/status/1266229197896286208) TZLNCTV (talk) 06:15, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Changing the title to broaden its geographic scope makes sense, but the proposed title is unsuitable due to it not being neutral or standard naming. Jim Michael (talk) 06:47, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. Too early to tell anything. Nahnah4 (talk | contribs) 06:53, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Document the individual events. We can create a list of them later. WhoAteMyButter (📬│✏️) 07:05, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now. Same reasons given by User:Jim Michael. It should definitely be changed - I've seen reports of George Floyd related riots and counter-violence in Denver, Columbus, OH, Los Angeles and Memphis so far - but the title must be something else more appropriate. Kire1975 (talk) 07:22, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. "police brutality riots" is too vague. Miss HollyJ (talk) 07:43, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now per Miss HollyJ, as well as the fact that the Minnesota riots are extremely notable in comparison to the others, which appear smaller in nature. We'll see how the story evolves from here, though. Love of Corey (talk) 07:44, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I agree with Miss HollyJ's statement the term is true vague. But I think a new article "list of riots triggered by police brutality" should be created, the 1980, 1992, 2014 and now 2020 cases just to name a few. Dilbaggg (talk) 07:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until more information is known about the scope of the riots. Nixinova T C 08:09, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose you either say where they are or the what they are about, not a social issue.Life200BC (talk) 11:30, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Lets wait and see if the rioting spreads to other cities before declaring it a multiple riots. It might be definitive by the end of the week and might escalate. - AH (talk) 09:36, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Protests arose in other cities, and there was some incidental violence, but full-blown riots are (hopefully) confined to the Twin Cities. Notable non-violent protests can be included on the Death of George Floyd aftermath section. GaidinBDJ (talk) 10:25, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support The riots are a direct result of police brutality and undermining this by giving it a place-name is misleading. The riots are happening in places dud to an idea: police brutality. Any other generic naming is nothing short of revisionism. The article could also be called the George Floyd riots, as that is what appears to be the most common usage in media. Andrew Z. Colvin • Talk 10:33, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

None of our other articles are named that way. Many rioters are opportunists who are using the death of someone whom they'd never previously heard of as an excuse to be violent. Jim Michael (talk) 11:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Many rioters are opportunists who are using the death of someone whom they'd never previously heard of as an excuse to be violent." doesn't sound very NPOV, and unless you have a source for it I don't think that's a valid reason to oppose. JustLucas (they/them) (talk) 12:17, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's my reply to the comment immediately above it. I stated my reasons for opposing the proposed move further up this section. Jim Michael (talk) 12:28, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Half Support, there are multiple secondary sources on the protests spreading nationwide. CNN, The Guardian, Sky News, France24. I'm not fixed on one definite name. It needs to be expanded, the riots are in response to police brutality. I'm not opposed to the title presented, but can understand concerns about it. JustLucas (they/them) (talk) 12:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect image caption

The image labeled "The 3rd District Police Station in Minneapolis was set ablaze on May 28 by protestors" does not show the 3rd Precinct Police Station. That is housing. The picture should be changed or relabeled. BattlePig101 (talk) 07:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support The 3rd district police station looks like this. Kire1975 (talk) 07:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Love of Corey (talk) 08:10, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 29 May 2020

It has been proposed in this section that George Floyd protests be renamed and moved to 2020 Twin Cities Uprising.

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2020 Twin Cities riots → 2020 Twin Cities Uprising

Uprising is the correct term here, not riotUnibrow69420 (talk) 08:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose You have not bothered to list a single reason why that is the correct term here. Keepcalmandchill (talk) 08:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - riots is the usual term. Uprising is incorrect & strongly biased, making it sound like looting & arson is legitimate, justified etc. In addition, we shouldn't have more than 1 move discussion open at the same time. Jim Michael (talk) 09:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose they are riots not uprising.Life200BC (talk) 09:33, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Super opinionated. Love of Corey (talk) 09:53, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - This is subjective, but to me the term "uprising" sounds very biased towards the rioters. 90.250.184.135 (talk) 11:43, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Biased Interpretation of Ambiguous Language

Within the Reaction section, it is stated that "President Trump responded to the riots by threatening to send in the National Guard to shoot looters". Trump's tweet currently available here uses ambiguous language: specifically "when the looting starts the shooting starts". It seems to be quite a leap to assume that this is a call to violence when it could very well be a postulation of the escalation of the rioters' behavior. I'd suspect confirmation bias of whoever decided to reference this article as an absolute truth and would call WP:NPOV into question. --Davman99 (talk) 09:20, 29 May 2020 (UTC)Davman99[reply]

I agree. The tweet was deliberately ambiguous. "To shoot looters" or similar phrasing should not be said in Wikivoice. The language has since been changed to It was seen as a threat for the military to shoot looting protesters.^[1] userdude 12:16, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "George Floyd Protests in Minneapolis: Live Updates". The New York Times. 29 May 2020. Archived from the original on 29 May 2020. Retrieved 29 May 2020.

Infobox image

Currently, the most prominent image in the infobox is commons:File:Protest against police violence - Justice for George Floyd, May 26, 2020 08.jpg. This image shows a peaceful protest. While I understand the desire to not mislead readers into thinking the protests were entirely violent, this article is about the riots, so the infobox should only contain images related to the riots. Images of peaceful protest might belong in the Background section. userdude 12:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

arrest stats?

are there any official stats on the number of people arrested yet?

[NYT20200529081440-1] "George Floyd Protests in Minneapolis: Live Updates". The New York Times. 29 May 2020. Archived from the original on 29 May 2020. Retrieved 29 May 2020.

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