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Notable people from Kirkuk

The famous Iraqi-Arab poet Fadhi Al Azzawi grew up in Kirkuk.TheThirdBillyGoatGruff (talk) 22:37, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There are many other Arab and Assyrian poets who born in Kirkuk.

I agree with you.Many other famous people from non-Kurdish ethnic background appear to be denied by biased authors of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.222.204.185 (talk) 00:27, 5 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Iraqi Turks' city

Wikipedia shouldn't be a place for political lies. This aricle is not objective when mentioning Iraqi Turks and their influence. There are at LEAST 2 million Iraqi Turks living in Kirkuk, and historically Kirkuk is no Kurdish city. see: http://kirkuk.us --Bunifa88 (talk) 00:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreeing after comparing different resources. --Berkaysnklf (talk) 21:25, 16 March, 2015 (UTC)
Are you kidding ? Turkmens are not natives in Iraq. Turkmens are come from central Asia to Iraq. Selocan49 (talk) 12:45, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What a smart idea, Selocan! Could you please elucidate us how long we should live in a place to be considered as its native? Are Kurds who were bone in Istanbul not native of Istanbul then? I agree with the top comment with a concern: cities, states, don't have ethnicity or religion, but the people.However, this modern fact isn't given a space by so-called Kurdish intellectuals of the Middle East. Eventually, the top comment is about denial of the Iraqi Turks. Simply no one can underestimate or reverse a fact because of their political whims. I agree with Bunifa88, the partisan (or biased) approach in promoting Kurdish existence of Kirkuk can be validated by checking the famous people from Kirkuk list. This should be changed and I will do so very soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.222.204.185 (talk) 00:12, 5 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There aren't even 2 m people in Kirkuk let alone 2 m Iraqi Turks. Jim Michael (talk) 13:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits

This article has been getting a number of edits recently. Newcomers should look at Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers and the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. We welcome new contributors, and hope they will take some time to familiarize themselves with our work to build an encyclopedia join us. One of our important policies is Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, often called "NPOV" for short. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 17:54, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

TO ALL READERS All information in Wikipedia fabricated and does not worth to read .I think they get money from Kurdish group to change the facts.

Fake information about Kirkuk , wikipedia owners are kurds.

Robert Merkel how much you got paid by Kurds you look like a good puppy of kurds.

Mr merkel i am very sorry, for this turkmens insulting remarks but then what can you expect from a descendent of the savage holako (a illegitiamte grandson of genghis khans)

Category: Assyria

I would like to know why the category Assyria is allowed while category Kurdistan is being removed? Is there exact boundaries for Assyria? As far as I remember that's the main reason given for removing the Kurdistan category. Heja Helweda 22:54, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kirkuk was founded as a city by ancient Assyrians, therefore its fitting that Category:Assyria is there (you will notice that Category:Assyrians, the category that deals with the modern-day Assyrians, is not present). Kurdistan, however, has vaguely defined borders, so that's why the Kurdistan category is (was) being removed. I've replaced the Kurdistan category for the reason I just stated with Category:Kurds as there is a sizeable Kurdish population in Kirkuk. --3345345335534 15:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Hi, As far as I know Britannica is a very neutral source, It clearly states that Kirkuk is in Kurdistan. [1], [2]. So the category includes this article.Diyako Talk + 22:51, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just to sort things out here. Britannica doesn´t state that Kirkuk lies within Kurdistan geografical region. It states that Kirkuk lies NEAR the foot of the Zagros Mountins which lies within Kurdistan. No where does it say that Kirkuk is within Kurdistan.

And wheter it do or not, it´s not up to Britannica to determine the statues of Kirkuk.

In all fairness, Kirkuk can technically also be defined as being in an ancient area called Assyria, Mesopotamia (which is better defined as the area in and around the Tigris and Euphrates), and the Fertile Crescent. I may be forgetting some more "regions," but the point I'm trying to make is that they often overlap or compose parts of each other. Why Kurdistan has special preference in the first sentence over all the other, more ancient names, I don't know. I would like to see that changed. --3345345335534 00:55, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge?

I'm suggesting that Arrapha be merged into this article. Any thoughts? --3345345335534 15:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --3345345335534 00:55, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]


POV pushing

Hi, this article from AP, page two, last parapgrapg states: The last ethnic-breakdown census in Iraq was conducted in 1957, well before Saddam began his program to move Arabs to Kirkuk. That count showed 178,000 Kurds, 48,000 Turkomen, 43,000 Arabs and 10,000 Assyrian-Chaldean Christians living in the city. [3]. This is in contrast with the claims in your article. Thanks.

Hi, in reference to the two remarks mentioned above, thank you for your input, although some mistakes should be pointed out. In the first remark, the gentleman stated that Turkomen and Arabs took over housing through the "Arabization" program of the Baath regime. In fact, it was only the Arabs (mostly shiite from the south) who were brought into Kirkuk. Kurds, Turkomens and Assyrian-Chaldeans were forcibly removed. In reference to the second remark, the population figures are correct, although they are for Kirkuk Province (renamed Tamim by the Baath regime) and not for Kirkuk town, which is the city under debate. The 1957 census figures showed that the "city" of Kirkuk was made up of 28.2% Turkomens, 48.2% Kurds, 24% Arabs. Thanks.139.184.30.19 01:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

kirkuk is turkmencity

Dear sirs if the kirkuk is not kurdish city. why all the lands was confiscated by former regim belong to Turkmes not to Kurks?.

zaynal - kirkuk

Sister City?

I noticed Dallas Texas was listed as a sister city to Kirkuk, why is that?

Because they're both awful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.49.142.21 (talk) 22:33, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

68.183.67.83 21:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)Tia[reply]

Turkish Invasion Threat?

While it wouldn't surprise me that Turkey doesn't care about the Sovereignty of Iraq to the point of invading over Kirkuk, it does need a reliable source since it's such a volatile and controversial claim.

-IkonicDeath

Reliable reference on the Turkmen Nature of Kerkuk City

www.turkmen.nl/1A_soitm/Turkmen-Nature-of-Kerkuk.doc

This article is full of unreliable asertion

the historical section of this article is full of bogus nationalist psuedo history and should be rewritten using reliable sources —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.152.243.32 (talk) 17:53, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


I agree. Wikipedia is not the place for the kind of editorializing which seems to be happening on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.111.29.2 (talk) 19:49, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Slander against Turks and Arabs

This article was obviously recently edited by a pro-kurdish editor. There are many pieces of uncited sentences of Turkmens helping the Iraqi Military force Kurds out. It also says 'Kirkuk is a historically Kurdish City'. No it is not, I request a moderator remove all remarks that may cause anger among the Arabs and Turkmens because they are uncited works.

Thankyou.

-Erol —Preceding unsigned comment added by BabaGurGur (talk • contribs) 04:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence you incorrectly quoted, actually says, "Historically, the city has always been considered by Kurds* and Turkmen as a cultural capital." Which, the Kurdish part, is referenced by this source, *Claims in conflict: reversing ethnic cleansing in northern Iraq, Human Rights Watch (Organization), Aug. 2004, Vol.16, 54. and contains a link to read said source. So your accusation that this is an uncited work is false. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:19, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic Bickering

It seems that there is a lot of ethnic bickering and we have the content of the article being changed without references to back it up. Some edits big up the Kurds and do down the Turkmen and some big up the Turkmen and do down the Kurds.

I would like to remind editors that ethnically motivated propaganda is not welcome here. Unsourced changes are not helpful. In particular "ethnically cleansing" one group from the "notable people" list can not be tolerated. We need a text that is accurate, neutral and well referenced. Personally, I feel that any propaganda of the type that goes like "My dead grandfather was here before your dead grandfather" is pathetic and that no dispute was ever settled while people stuck to such a primitive line of argument,

I intend to revert to an older version and then merge in some good content from recent versions andd remove anything that seems inappropriate. I am not an expert on the subject so I may not do a perfect job but I would like us to work from that. I will include all people with articles on the notable people list irrespective of which group they are from but no red links. --DanielRigal (talk) 20:44, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't agree more. I think that since the article is dealing with a very sensitive issue unsourced statements shouldn't be tolerated. I will read the article and remove what I see as nationalist POV pushing.--Rafy talk 21:00, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's ordinary and natural that all of them claim the right for Kirkuk, which is a historical and cultural city with a diversity of four ethnic groups. We should observe the article from a neutral point of view as the outsiders. Gabriel Stijena (talk) 05:07, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Its littered with pure propaganda. "Arab Occupation"...from the 7th Century? I simply changed the title to 'Conquest' and haven't touched the rest, but its amazing how many problems this page has. Can someone put a POV issue with it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.182.90 (talk) 04:05, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well you should read the rest otherwise you can't through judgements like that. Beside that sub-title is there any other POV in your opinion.--Kathovo talk 10:52, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kirkuk Is Iraqi city with Turkmen Majorty

Kurds are not majorty in Kirkuk also Kirkuk is not in Kurdish region .

no thats not true if it is why do the turkmens own only 2 seats out of twelve seats in the last elections also kirkuk is now under peshmerga control — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anas Dler (talk • contribs) 21:07, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes - it's not Kurdish region. Absolutely right. --PumbaPumbata (talk) 20:20, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have written the name in kurdish turkish arabic please dont change it anymore

wikipedia isnt for politics it is for knowledge so enogh of this nationality — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anas Dler (talk • contribs) 20:31, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Anas Dler! I removed the names is Turkish and Syriac before I checked the talk page. I should have checked the talkpage first. I removed the name because even though Kirkuk is an ethnically diverse city it's still part of Iraq. The official languages of Iraq are Kurdish and Arabic which I think are the only ones that should be listed. Erbil for example has a sizeable Syriac/Christian minority but we don't list Erbil in those languages ~ Zirguezi 22:30, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]


I'm a Kurd Firstly Kirkuk isn't a part of Iraq anymore it's part of the Kurdistan regional gov. And Turkish is listed as a recognized language by the constitution of Iraq. Also Turks ain't a minority in Kirkuk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anas Dler (talk • contribs) 15:12, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Prrovince? Govornorate?

This edit caught my eye, and I noticed that the only instances in the article of the word "Province" are in the Kurdish people section and that the lead uses the term "Govornorate". Somebody needs to de-confuse this. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:26, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kirkuk and Kirkuk province

Kurds majority in Kirkuk center. But Arabs is majority in Kirkuk Province . These two things are not the same thing. Arabs are only of majority in their Hawija district of Kirkuk province. Hawija is largest district of Kirkuk With a population of 500,000 Arabs. Bruskom (talk) 06:41, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

¨Please provde sources♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 18:00, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Occupation

We are still treating Kirkuk as part of Iraq. if we want to change this and claim the city is autonomous ather than occupied we need reliable sources which meet our WP:RS and WP:V policies. My opinion is neutral bu we should be well sourced and consistent with other articles, such as Iraq. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 18:14, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I restored article with last version. But lately was removed by another two user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sedej (talk • contribs) 19:45, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Language order

I've switched the order and put Arabic first, as it's the national language of Iraq. Kurdish had been the first one listed, but the city is not majority Kurdish, is not part of the Kurdish autonomous region, and is no longer under the occupation of Kurdish militia, so there's no reason for Kurdish to be listed first. -2003:CA:83E4:D600:994A:5894:CBED:8600 (talk) 22:49, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, but IP users consistently vandalize the page. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 05:02, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keeping the four languages

Kirkuk's name is included in the four languages present in the city itself on so many signs in Kirkuk - including the council logo[1] which people can find easily. I think we should keep the name in Arabic, Kurdish, Turkish and Syriac as it is now. There has been some disruptive removals of Kirkuk's name in Syriac.

Best regards Ashurpedia (talk) 01:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/82604428-e4cf-4c0f-af2f-c9497306fcf6
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