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Decarceration

Thank you for accepting my article on decarceration and for leaving detailed suggestions, each one weighty, on how to improve future articles. I appreciate your helpful feedback, as well as your compliments. I must admit I wrestle with writing something that is interesting enough to read, though neutral in tone, for some Wikipedia articles read like a recitation of facts without context. To achieve a more neutral tone, I deleted some of my contextual frames, which may have resulted in a few sections appearing less relevant. In any event, there is much to learn. Thanks again, MarcyMarcywinograd (talk) 22:36, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

@Marcywinograd: thanks for the kind words, they're very good to hear. :) By the way, you can sign talk page comments with ~~~~ and you somehow left your comments in the middle of this page rather than the bottom. It's nice to hear the feedback is helpful and thanks again for all of your edits! — Bilorv (talk) 22:49, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Bilrov, for reading, responding and accepting in such a timely manner. I appreciate your feedback and will review the MOS and other notes. Stay safe and be well, MarcyMarcywinograd (talk) 00:57, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bilorv, thanks again for approving my article "Decarceration in the United States." Question: Currently, if someone googles "decarceration" the redirect is set to Wikipedia's page "criminal justice reform in the United States." I would like to change that redirect so that it goes to my article on decarceration. Can I over-ride that initial redirect to criminal justice reform? I want to be careful here and not step on any toes. I looked into removing that redirect, but it would not allow me to actually change the redirect to my article--so I didn't remove the original redirect to "criminal justice reform." What do you suggest I do? (Before all this, when I was learning about redirects, I redirected my "Decarceration in the United States" article to "Decarceration"--so now I'm dizzy! Thanks for any guidance you can offer here. Best wishes and stay safe, MarcyMarcywinograd (talk) 00:00, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Marcywinograd, not quite sure what happened with your comments but I've moved them to the correct section. I think there's a couple of things going on here, and I'll explain them all even though you might understand some of it already, and though some bits may not have been what you were trying to ask. Internally, Wikipedia has redirects which mean that if you type, say, bagels into the search bar in the top right then you get taken to the page bagel, because that's the page you're looking for. You should also (on desktop, might be a little different on mobile) see a small piece of text (Redirected from Bagels) below the title. Click that link and you'll be taken to a redirect page. Look at the page in the edit window and you'll see that #REDIRECT [[Bagel]] is the code that makes the page a redirect to Bagel.
In the case of decarceration, it might have been a little more confusing as the redirect took you to a section within the page you mention. You can still find a link to the redirect at the top of the page. The code to redirect to a section is, in this case, #REDIRECT [[Criminal justice reform in the United States#Sentencing regulation]] I've just changed the target of the the redirect to Decarceration in the United States, as it's an article wholly about decarceration, an improvement over the previously linked article which used to be partially about it.
As for Google or other external search engines, they choose what you see and we don't control it. Sometimes Google takes stuff from Wikipedia and displays it in the actual search page. If Google looks at our redirect pages—maybe it does—then this redirect change might lead to a change in Google's results in a few days. But Google has results highly tailored to the individual—for me, no Wikipedia page is on the first page of the list—and if it's showing you a Wikipedia page as a normal search result then that's due to a mixture of pageviews, its perceived information about your education level, political beliefs, personality etc. and it's something we don't control. Interestingly, even though Criminal justice reform in the United States is a more established and more viewed page, when I search "decarceration" on DuckDuckGo (search engine that doesn't store information about you) I get Decarceration in the United States as the first result from Wikipedia, at the top of page 2.
As another thing, I'll leave you with this link (which you can see for a page by clicking "View history" > "Pageviews") to show that the decarceration article is being seen. — Bilorv (talk) 08:04, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Bilrov, for your feedback and intervention on the dizzying decarceration redirect. I appreciate your timely response and support. MarcyMarcywinograd (talk) 14:50, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Bilrov, I'm trying to figure out why my page "Decarceration in the United States" is not showing up in a Google search. Any thoughts on what I can do to make it show up? Thank you, MarcyMarcywinograd (talk) 17:24, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcywinograd: I think I addressed this in my comment above—what Google shows you is not necessarily the same as what it shows other users, and it's not in Wikipedia's control. — Bilorv (Black Lives Matter) 17:55, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Proquest

Hi Bilorv, I've been working on improving the articles on my userpage and specifically the overlooked death of Leonard Deadwyler. I found the Los Angeles Sentinel has some better stories on the case and I saw that you have ProQuest access, which appears to be the only way to access these historic articles at this time (per their archive page.) I was wondering if you could help me by sending me a few of the articles? I have a date for two of them, one is specifically the coverage page where Johnny Cochran won the first ever settlement for the victim of police brutality family in history and the other is for Deadwyler. LA Sentinel appears to be one of the only papers that really covered the killing of this teenage boy as well. Anyway, I know this is a big ask, so no sweat if you're unable to help! Thanks, Praxidicae (talk) 13:01, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I should add I also have access to Newspapers.com (and newspapersarchive) but they don't have this specific paper, unfortunately. Praxidicae (talk) 13:07, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Praxidicae: thanks for the question! I'm a bit busy over the next few days but I'll look into this as soon as I can, hopefully within a week. At a first glance it does look like I might have access to some relevant LA Sentinel articles—what are the two dates you came across specifically? — Bilorv (Black Lives Matter) 19:34, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Creffett was able to help me. Thank you for responding though! Praxidicae (talk) 15:31, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Million Awards

The Half Million Award
For your contributions to bring An Unbelievable Story of Rape (estimated annual readership: 728,000) to Good Article status, I hereby present you the Half Million Award. Congratulations on this rare accomplishment, and thanks for all you do for Wikipedia's readers! Reidgreg (talk) 14:06, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Half Million Award
For your contributions to bring The National Anthem (Black Mirror) (estimated annual readership: 550,000) to Good Article status, I hereby present you the Half Million Award. Congratulations on this rare accomplishment, and thanks for all you do for Wikipedia's readers! Reidgreg (talk) 14:06, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Quarter Million Award
For your contributions to bring The Entire History of You (estimated annual readership: 400,000) to Good Article status, I hereby present you the Quarter Million Award. Congratulations on this rare accomplishment, and thanks for all you do for Wikipedia's readers! Reidgreg (talk) 14:06, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

fyi

PLS SEE Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Introduction page.--Moxy 🍁 11:27, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shilpa Shetty filmography

Hi mate, thanks for your valuable comments on the list. Though I have tried my best to solve all issues highlighted, there few doubts. I have left my comments. Please help me understanding those points. Much thanks.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 13:43, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello mate. I have responded.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 16:31, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@25 Cents FC: can you please ensure that you submit these comments in the correct place? You have been leaving these comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Black Lives Matter. — Bilorv (talk) 16:54, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your valuable time on the list. Since the list had garnered three support ideally it shall get promoted to FL. What needs to be done from my end in order to get FL.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 13:00, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@25 Cents FC: Nominations are closed when appropriate by an FL director or delegate. You can contact an FL director as listed at the top of WP:FLC (Giants2008, PresN, The Rambling Man) for more information. — Bilorv (talk) 13:14, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you mate.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 13:21, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request for FAC help

Hello again! I hope you are doing well and staying safe with everything going on in the world right now. I have recently bought Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic and spent an entire day playing it, even though I should have been far more adult with my time lol. Anyway, I was wondering if you could possibly help with my current FAC. I completely understand if you do not have the time or interest, but I just wanted to reach out and ask. I hope you are having a great start to your week! Aoba47 (talk) 04:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Aoba47: thanks for the message. All things considered, I've been doing quite well and staying busy enough. I'll see if I can look at the FAC. — Bilorv (talk) 13:00, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the response, and I am glad you are doing well. The only thing we can really do is keep trying our best while also staying careful. Aoba47 (talk) 18:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My FAC was actually just promoted. I should have waited a day before reaching out to you, but I'm still glad to have talked with you. I hope you are having a great week so far! Aoba47 (talk) 18:11, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Aoba47: haha, no problem. Congrats on the promotion! — Bilorv (talk) 18:48, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Aoba47 (talk) 21:16, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GirlsDoPorn

Hello Bilorv. I wanted to give a personal congratulations on maintaining neutrality on this page after all it went through. It's almost GA-worthy now, and remember that the nomination is on hold until July 14th. That should be plenty of time to go through my final comments. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:02, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting some help

Hi,

Recently initiated a new Draft:Sexual politics and looking for proactive help in updating and expanding the article. Please do see if contributing to Draft:Sexual politics would interest you.

Thanks and regards

Bookku (talk) 03:09, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April–May 2020 GAN Backlog drive

The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
Thank you for completing 5 reviews in the April–May 2020 GAN Backlog drive. Your work helped us to reduce the backlog by over 60%. Regards, Harrias talk 07:21, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Toilet paper

Always good to replace that source, but it did seem somehow fitting that it was used on that particular article... GirthSummit (blether) 09:09, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Girth Summit: very good, hadn't noticed the irony to it. :) — Bilorv (talk) 11:51, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MGTOW Edit

What kind of sources are required to edit the article. The proper reliable source was given for this edit. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Men_Going_Their_Own_Way&oldid=prev&diff=968449848 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winchetan (talk • contribs) 13:57, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What is wrong with this source ? [1] [2]

References

  1. ^ http://wagner.edu/newsroom/files/2015/11/151115-Sunday-Times-UK-Meet-the-men-giving-up-on-women-Miles-Groth-quoted.pdf
  2. ^ https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/meet-the-men-giving-up-on-women-zqmmthbvjrr
Hi Winchetan. Please do not edit war when you do not understand why your edit was undone. The article mostly uses (non-self-published) book sources and peer-reviewed journal sources, with some other specialist expert sourcing (e.g. SPLC). These are substantially more reliable than news articles. Note also that even if the sources were sufficient, the lead should not contain information not mentioned in the body; new information should be introduced in the body. Pinging GorillaWarfare, who also reverted your edits. — Bilorv (talk) 15:45, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Winchetan. Part of the issue with your edits, besides the lower-quality sources, is that you are using sourcing that makes no mention of MGTOW to make claims about MGTOW. We describe that as synthesis here on Wikipedia, and it is not allowed. GorillaWarfare (talk) 15:57, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Bilorv The definition of the Men Going Their Own Way cannot be referenced from the book [1] the said book is published around 2017 whereas this work has been published[2] around 2016. Which does not cite MGTOW as Misogynist. Kindly inform if this work can be used to edit and cite the references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winchetan (talk • contribs) 15:40, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv1xxrxw.9
  2. ^ https://ruor.uottawa.ca/bitstream/10393/35055/1/Lilly_Mary_2016_thesis.pdf
@Winchetan: I'm not clear on what you're asking but the JSTOR book is indeed reliable, whereas I do not know the provenance of the thesis you've given—generally, undergraduate or Master's theses are not reliable. There are multiple sources for the description of misogyny in the current version of Men Going Their Own Way. We don't base content on the first or the most recent source that exists, but on the overall view of a combination of high-quality reliable sources. You can sign your posts by ending them with ~~~~. — Bilorv (talk) 16:14, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hello GorillaWarfare Izno Kindly guide if this work[1] can be used to edit the definition of the MGTOW article. Have a look at the above given thread as well. As per the given work MGTOW is not stated as Misogynist .

Answer

To answer the question you posed about process, look at the comments made here. I have no real desire to have a known edit warrior start one all over again. --evrik (talk) 20:57, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ https://ruor.uottawa.ca/bitstream/10393/35055/1/Lilly_Mary_2016_thesis.pdf
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