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Death citations

Was skimming the 2020 death category and saw some names in there I have been unable to find some sources for. Putting the names here so editors can keep an eye out for them:

I've added a source to Eckstein's page. It's dated from January 16th, doesn't give a date of death on it but confirms he's dead. Should we add him to 16th with a "(death announced on this date)", or believe the 12th as a DOD from Hebrew Wiki and just stick him there? Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 20:06, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Uni death notice in Hebrew is actually dated January 15. I see someone has added the 12th. to his article (without a source), and since I don't read Hebrew, it would seem the safest thing to do is add him to the 15th. (death announced on this date) unless anyone knows otherwise. By the way, there is another article source dated January 20, that says he "passed away last week". Editrite! (talk) 22:54, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Zdeněk Pýcha doesn't show up seemingly anywhere on google in regards to death nor on social media. I found him on this ice hockey player database's year in deaths section however. Rusted AutoParts 04:32, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the deaths listed above should not be reported in Wikipedia. The "death" is either completely unsourced in the bio article, or it has an unreliable source, like Facebook or Twitter. I have been removing any mention of death from the bio article, absent any reliable source. WWGB (talk) 05:27, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's why I started this thread. If it's a completely unfounded assertion, we can weed that out. But some do have legit proof that for whatever reason doesn't have a reliable source to allow inclusion. That includes social media posts. By all means remove the links from their page but I don't see why they get evicted from this list because it's meant to let editors know that name needs a reliable source to list. The social media post announces the death. We then just wait for an actual reliable source to publish an article. Rusted AutoParts 05:37, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If someone has a flaky death source, I don't mind them being listed here. If there is no source in the bio to confirm death, then they should not be here. WWGB (talk) 02:02, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Rusted AutoParts 02:17, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Remind me of the rules here, please

When a person has a redirect (but not a specifically named article) ... do they get listed on this Deaths page? Example: the article is 1993 Iowa murders ... the article is about Dustin Lee Honken ... Dustin Lee Honken is a redirect. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Simples. 30 days. After a month, all non-dedicated "multiple biographical" articles must go. Only singular bio articles should remain after a month. In other words, using your example, Dustin Lee Honken would need an article about him only and not his partner in crime or the event which dominates 1993 Iowa murders. Ref (chew)(do) 17:55, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I was not exactly sure how "redirects" (like this) were handled. Thanks for reminding me. However, I do have a slight "tweak" to your response. If the article had been named Dustin Honken and Angela Johnson ... or ... Angela Johnson and Dustin Honken ... then, either / both people (Honken/Johnson) would be "eligible" for listing here, upon their deaths. Pretty sure that was a rule we all came up with several years back. I think it somehow originated with Ian Brady? (I think that his article was entitled "Moors murders" and not "Ian Brady"?) Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:02, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yet, by dint of publishing without their names on top, the article does NOT qualify? That certainly seems like an unfortunate quirk of the renaming process. I was pretty sure that a person bio had to be the only bio dealt with in an article, unless they were one of twins or shared a lifetime as one of a notable music duo. Perhaps someone could remind ME on that point? (According to your example, it is still called Moors murders (no redirect to Ian Brady or Myra Hindley). Therefore Ian Brady should not qualify for an entry in the relevant list. Which is ridiculous. Which is correct?) Ref (chew)(do) 19:49, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, Brady died on 15 May 2017 but has no entry at Deaths in May 2017. Without his own bio article, he is not considered individually notable. WWGB (talk) 00:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I am sure this issue has come up many times. But, I think I remember it re-surfacing when Ian Brady died. Some thought he was clearly "notable" (for the Moors murders) and should be listed on the Deaths page. Others said that he was not notable, because he didn't have his "own" article (i.e., Ian Brady, proper --- not as a redirect). So, in the end, the consensus was: if a person does not have his own bio article -- but his specific name is mentioned in the article title -- then he is "eligible" for entry in the Deaths list. One of the examples -- cited by me, I believe -- was Murder of Kitty Genovese. So, Kitty Genovese did not have a bio article. And thus, was not "notable". Through that consensus discussion, people like Kitty Genovese "became" notable (for Deaths entry eligibility) ... as long as their name was mentioned in the article title. That is how I recall the discussion. So, yes, Ian Brady is not notable ... even though the Moors murders are notable. Ditto with Honken/Johnson, and the Iowa murders. I guess it is an unfortunate consequence of the renaming process. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Here is the Ian Brady discussion: Talk:Deaths in May 2017#Ian Brady. I guess I got Ian Brady confused with some other notable (or "not" notable) person, from over the years ... ? Regardless, I am pretty sure we still have that "Kitty Genovese" rule. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:17, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clearing that up - despite how I still feel about (let's say) "notorious-non-notables" not appearing in the final list. Don't get me wrong - I'm not a fan of murderers, but what they did made waves and changed lives albeit in a negative way. Were you to be a totally uninitiated visitor accessing the relevant Deaths page, you'd probably expect him to show up there. Ref (chew)(do) 18:36, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree. Brady probably should be listed on the Deaths pages ... but no one could really see a way "around the rules". In all actuality, he probably should have had his "own" article, rather than just being clumped in the "Moors murders". But, I guess that ship has sailed. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:53, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Pollock

According to The Hollywood Reporter, he died on Saturday night from a heart attack. [2] MikaelaArsenault (talk) 00:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Saturday night" does not always align with a specific day.It can also mean any time until sunrise on Sunday. Better to wait for a date of death. WWGB (talk) 00:35, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t know about that. There’s room to be uncertain when it’s just “died overnight”. Saturday is specifically put, so that is to be figured as the date of death. Rusted AutoParts 00:42, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So how come a very reliable source says he died Sunday? WWGB (talk) 02:48, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Can't comment since I can't access the source due to a paywall. Regardless, they seem to be the lone wolf so far. THR, Saturday. Variety, Saturday. Rusted AutoParts 04:32, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"We got the information on X day" is very often assumed to be "subject died on X day", unfortunately. It's an understandable assumption but lazy as far as research goes. Ref (chew)(do) 07:36, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Vanity Fair, Saturday. Rusted AutoParts 16:43, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hans Scheepmaker

According to this, he died on either August 1 or 2 and not the 3rd. [3] MikaelaArsenault (talk) 23:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We need an exact date under which to list the death. Without a specific date, we add it to the day that the death was announced, with appropriate text ("death announced on this date"). WWGB (talk) 02:16, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reni Santoni

Why does his age keep changing from 81 to 82 and 82 to 81? MikaelaArsenault (talk) 00:51, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'm not meaning to be rude or anything, but not everything needs to be brought to talk page. This seems like a disagreement over birth year most likely. Rusted AutoParts 00:56, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

James Nash --- British children's author and illustrator

How come no listing or mention of his death on 7 August 2020 ?

Also, how come no entry for him in Wikipedia?

Just curious. 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 03:44, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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