Talk:Expo 2010

More info

Not suprisingly, I think the Chinese version of this article has a lot more info. I'm not a good chinese speaker/reader but the article has a lot of good info that can be translated to here. Just saying. Jasonxu98 (talk) 01:34, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

2010 has come and gone

This page could use an update. --96.247.1.233 (talk) 05:59, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Pics of Pavillions

Someone would like to add nice pictures of the national pavillions? Some are simply spectabular like the UK, Netherlands, Denmark...so many that are so spectacular.

Indeed. If any Wikipedian is going to see the Expo, would it be excessive to ask you to take your digital camera and take a snap of each pavillion? ;) Aridd (talk) 09:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Need picture on every pavillion please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.176.144.158 (talk) 20:27, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

How much will it cost?

I don't believe the estimates by China or by its opponents. Is there a credible source of the expo's actual budget? Thanks. 67.243.7.245 (talk) 19:10, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

If you don't believe anyone, then of all the people that will answer your question, who will you believe? -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 02:21, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Ask the US military, they have spies all the world and I am certain you will trust them! 142.176.144.158 (talk) 18:47, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Business?

The article doesn't discuss whether any serious business is being done at this event - is it a fancy theme park for tourists, or are companies showing off their products and finding new customers? See e.g. [1] vs. [2] . I don't pretend to know the truth here, as some fast talking may have been done to justify the expensive national pavilions. Wnt (talk) 16:22, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Africa Pavilion?

The article says that the joint Africa pavilion is second in size only to China's, and yet there's NO other information about it in this article. It would seem a major addition is necessary. 65.93.150.2 (talk) 16:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

There is not really that much information about the China pavilion so looks like size it not the most important thing :-) The Africa pavilion is a cubic building containing many countries. Inside is a stage with a mountain. The mountain has a big face. Kinamand (talk) 04:54, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

A funny thing is that the description of the United States pavilion is so long because it only shows three movies. There are no decoration just a few pictures on the walls and no items on display and all rooms are ordinary rooms. The two first movies are boring and here on wikipedia described at pre-show movies but they are each 8 minutes long as the third movie. The third movies is okay. Even though the pavilion not has much to show it is the pavilion with the longest description here on wikipedia. Kinamand (talk) 06:44, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Detailed information regarding each pavillion

See also: Expo 2010 pavilions

There is a 8,000 word, very detailed description of the Expo as written by a volunteer worker at the Expo circulating throughout Chinese cyberspace, with detailed information regarding each pavillion. ChinaSMACK.com has an English translation. Placing links here in case people need them:

• http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/stories/2010-world-expo-expo-3-day-walkthrough-introduction.html
• http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/stories/2010-world-expo-expo-3-day-walk-through-first-day.html
• http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/stories/2010-world-expo-expo-3-day-walk-through-second-day.html
• http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/stories/2010-world-expo-expo-3-day-walk-through-third-day.html

Regards, -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 02:30, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Great! This is a lot of detailed info, so I just created a separate article: Expo 2010 pavilions to keep this main article a reasonable size. Heroeswithmetaphors (talk) 16:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Mascot(Haibao) resembles Gumby

hi, there. can we add this pictures or better to delete from the article? cheers.

"Some say that Haibao resembles Gumby, but The expo's secretariat said that it is an original design and they had never heard of Gumby."

• Mascot(Haibao)
  Mascot(Haibao)
• Gumby
  Gumby

--マークレアスト (talk) 02:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I think that including an image of Haibao to the side (and not within the central article body) is perfectly fine, as it is relevant to the Expo itself, but inclusion of an image of Gumby as well is quite unnecessary; Gumby is relatively irrelevant to the Expo itself, which is what the article is about, and it clutters the page. There is an easy-to-see See also link to Haibao for those who would like to know more about the Haibao/Gumby controversy, and so the image can be in that article without any problems in my opinion; however placing it in the main Expo article is a bit of an overkill. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 02:37, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree and have undit it. Gumby has nothing to do with expo and clutters section. If possible we need more pavillion pictures up!! Also there are no information on corporate pavillions.This page is severly lacking in deetails!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.20.55 (talk) 02:55, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

hi, mr.li-san. okey, let's delate a pic, but don't you think it's better to keep

"Some say that Haibao resembles Gumby[1], but The expo's secretariat said that it is an original design and they had never heard of Gumby[2]."

? if so, more easy-to-see See also link to Haibao. —Preceding unsigned comment added by マークレアスト (talk • contribs) 03:05, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Opening time

Hi, does anybody know at what time: a) the Expo opens its doors to visitors b) the pavilions open c) the pavilions close doors and d) the Expo closes?

I don't find this information niether her, nor in the official page. Thanks. Leonprimer (talk) 05:53, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

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Hi,

a) the Expo opens its doors to general public: 5:00 P.M. b) the pavilions open: TBA. c) the pavilions close doors: 10:30 P.M. d) the Expo closes: 12:00 P.M.

116.228.7.94 (talk) 01:28, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Many of the small pavilions far away from the entrance close already 9 pm depending on how many people visit them. So it is rather confusing in the evening to find out where things are open. Kinamand (talk) 04:48, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Participanting nations

Does anybody was in the Expo and personally saw the pavilions of Paraguay and Iraq? They are included in the officia list of the BIE, but they don't appear in the official page of the Expo, here. Thanks again. Leonprimer (talk) 05:58, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

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I might, I'll check back here later.

P.S. the horizontal line means I'll probably come back and edit below it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.228.7.94 (talk) 01:30, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Iraq is on the paper map you get when enter the Expo. It is in a small building together with Laos and Myanmar next to Japan. But it is not on the map you find on posters at the expo and the building looks like it is closed. Kinamand (talk) 04:44, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes both Paraguay and Iraq have a presence. Paraquay in zone C in the Joint Pavilion of Central and South American Countries. Iraq as Kinamand indicates near to Lao + Myanmar - unlike when Kinamand visited it was open when I was there (early October) Icarusgeek (talk) 18:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Egypt's Pavilion?

Doesn't Egypt have a pavilion that hosts Pharaonic relics —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.205.192.125 (talk) 05:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes it does Icarusgeek (talk) 17:03, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Czech Pavilion

Why isn't there even a mention about Czech pavilion anywhere in the article? This is official page of it. Dendre (talk) 16:54, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to Shanghai

As the host of EXPO 2010, welcome everyone to Shanghai China~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.70.129.3 (talk) 14:45, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Das ist ein Forum nicht. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 16:32, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Attendance

Can we list the highest attedance and lowest attendance days of the expo overall (so far at least with an update being noted when/if needed) and the attendance totals for each particualr pavilion as noted on the offical site.--Cooly123 14:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

On August 1st, the Red Cross and Red Cresant pavillion had welcomed its 500,000 vister. I can't find an area in the countries/coorporat section for this.

"Today on 16/10/10 the highest record breached 1 million visitors." Why has been added to the article. Figures as shown by http://en.expo2010.cn/ state that it is 841,000 no doubt it will reach 1 million later today but this is jumping the gun plus it gives hints that this article is propagandist in nature.

Anonymous 16 Oct 2010 at 7:53 am (GMT) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.17.61 (talk)

Seventy million visitors?

Seventy million people is a lot of people. Since we are not told how many of those were foreign visitors, let us assume all of them were domestic. This means one in every twenty Chinese people went. Most Chinese are farmers, who are not able to simply leave their land and travel for days on end to Shanghai. Besides the only possible source of these numbers is the National Bureau of Statistics, which is notorious for falsifying numerous reports. If there were 35 million foreign visitors, one in every forty Chinese must have gone - with China's underdeveloped transport system, it is absurd that such a number of people went. TYelliot | Talk | Contribs 08:13, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

You really are assuming bad faith on behalf of everyone here. How is a 70 million figure impossible, may I ask? You dispute the figure, but have you actually bothered to look up the tally for yourself? On October 16 there were over 1 million visitors alone. (Shanghai World Expo Sees 1+ Million Visitors In A Single Day) Your statement beginning with "Besides the only possible source of these numbers is the National Bureau of Statistics" is nothing more than a bad faith accusation. Also, I hate to appear rude, but your line "China's underdeveloped transport system" makes me want to vomit, eat it back up again, and vomit again. Then, there's "let us assume all of them were domestic" - why? What is the logic for that? Fox News logic? "Most Chinese are farmers" - again, a load of rubbish, I suggest you step outside of your room. I see nothing but bigotry and argument from ignorance here. Additionally, 70 million is not so big if you consider that the 1970 Expo in Osaka, Japan also had a sizable visitor count of 64,218,770. Japan is a mouse compared to China, and under your logic (which is full of logical fallacies by the way), it's a figure two thirds of the 1970 population of Japan. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 10:32, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

I am inclined to believe that the 70 million target was hit. Chinese government data states that under 6% were foreigners, and the remaining 94.2% were Chinese. (Most Chinese are rural, by the way; stating as much does not amount to bigotry). What is of interest to me is how the 70 million people got there. According to reports in the New York Times (and Foreign Policy, I think, but now I can't find the latter), state-owned companies forced their workers to go to the Expo, and threatened them with loss of wages if they refused. "According to tourism experts, state employees and government bureaucrats from virtually every part of the nation were ordered to pile onto buses, trains and planes and head to the Expo 2010 in Shanghai." (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/03/world/asia/03shanghai.html?pagewanted=all) Homunculus (duihua) 19:27, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Most Chinese are rural, eh? Under what statistical z-value? z=0.000000001? Since when was a near 50% value defined as "most"? Can I say that "most Americans are men", because the 51.09% of females out there are clearly a negligible figure? (I mean, 51.09%, that's really tiny lol </sarcasm>) -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 02:07, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

See urban-rural ratio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China The gap is closing, yes, and projections are that the urban population will exceed the rural population by 2015. But for the time being, my friend, China remains mostly rural, at least on paper. In any case, the issue is not germane to a discussion of the Shanghai Expo. Homunculus (duihua) 01:21, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

>Implying that I didn't post a link to that page before you as a part of my own argument

>Implying that a near-50% figure can be defined with the English word "most" or "mostly"

For starters, I don't think that your definition of the word "most" matches with mine. inb4 "off-topic", I'm leaving the topic now. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 07:02, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Wasn't the original goal to have 100+ million vistors? (it was stated on here for some time) Something about this should be noted in the article.--Cooly123 00:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Overall

This article is good, but we need some photos in here (particulary ones of each pavillion). Also if the musical arrangements can be incorporated too.

We are trying to incorporate the photos on here at a minimum, over the last month or so since the expo has ended many countries have at least one photo.--Cooly123 17:07, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Controversies

I had not checked this page in some time, but when I returned I noticed that someone (or perhaps several people) appear to have engaged in an effort to remove any information on the controversies surrounding the event, and otherwise scrub the page of "negative" content. For instance, the section on attendance once contained a very short paragraph detailing how, in order to meet participation quotas, authorities engaged in mildly coercive behavior, forcing workers of state-owned companies to pile onto buses and make their way to Shanghai. This was the topic of a fairly lengthy NYTimes article, but was deleted from the main page and relocated to the controversies page (I have restored it). The controversies section of this page now contains no real information at all — not even about the tens of thousands of people whose homes were demolished to make way for new construction projects, or about the religious believers who were tortured in connection with the expo. Pretty notable stuff, one would think. Is there a good explanation for this? If not, I will restore that information as well. Homunculus (duihua) 04:25, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I see an editor has again removed this information, saying only that it exists on another page. Seriously? This is certainly pertinent information that should be included on the main page. It takes up all of two sentences. Please engage in discussion, as I simply do not understand the rationale behind relegating any less-then-glowing information to a daughter page.Homunculus (duihua) 01:58, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

How about you stop spreading misinformation and undue weight. You phrased the sentence to make it as if all Chinese are coerced to visit the Expo, when the article clearly stated that the Expo was genuinely popular to the degree that ticket scalping was occurring en masse. --PCPP (talk) 02:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)