Talk:The Real Housewives of New York City

TOO much marketing language

Obviously, some intern is editing this article. Too much marketing language. I will try to edit soon...but thought I would comment on the obvious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.171.24.45 (talk) 05:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC) Totes! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.90.79.214 (talk) 19:56, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Simon's hotel

In the March 18th 2009 episode someone mentioned Simon as owning the hotel he works in. Is this true?

According to this article. He does not. http://www.hotelchatter.com/story/2009/3/18/101312/987/hotels/Who_Owns_Hotel_Chandler_Not_Simon_van_Kempen

I have just edited the entry for Simon Van Kempen to correct a couple of "errors". It referred to him as "Simon Cowel" and called him a "tool". My correction needs correcting as I did not have the name of the hotel where he worked, nor his title, available when I edited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.4.230 (talk) 20:23, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

School of General Studies at Columbia

The school of general studies of part of Columbia University. I don't know why this article says that it is not. www.gs.columbia.edu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.15.208.241 (talk) 01:12, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Jill Zarin

What on earth does permanent fixture in the hamptons mean? Sagg Main is a permanent picture, does anyone care to explain how Ms. Zarin is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.63.143 (talk) 01:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I have a feeling these ladies wrote their own bios. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.105.245 (talk) 02:44, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Much of the text seems to have been lifted from Bravo's website. 38.115.185.13 (talk) 22:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)LNelson

I removed the information on where Zarin's daughter will be attending college. This info is only of value to stalkers and does not belong in this entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.141.241.245 (talk) 20:10, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

this is not a page to plug merchandise

i removed the merchandise section for several reasons, including the fact that Jill Zarin's merchandise was the only item listed yet all of the cast members are selling various items, those items are listed already on their own sites. This is not a site to advertise and sell items. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4rousseau (talk • contribs) 20:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

scrubbing?

there are several sections that have been removed. some stories from Huffington Post and other MSM. some of the behavior may be covered in the tv series however,that does not mean it cannot be covered by news outlets and WP in advance of the airing of the new season. it appears the bios have been cleaned up and Bethenny Frankel among other bios are being written as marketing tools which is against policy. this page and the Frankel page need to be monitored.

Episode list

I don't think that we really need a blow by blow episode list, do we ?

But if we do, can we have more than just one episode ? -- Beardo (talk) 22:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

It seems to have been taken from http://www.bravotv.com/Real_Housewives_NYC/season/1/episodes/101/index.php - is it different enough to avoid copyvio ? -- Beardo (talk) 23:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Aviva Drescher Season 6 absence

Aviva Drescher did not appear in the season 6 episode 'The Last Splash' and was removed from the opening sequence, her tagline and image. This should be noted in her bio part. Most media outlets are reporting she will be back but will be absent for at least 3 episodes!

I topo note to that to Zhyboo (talk) 13:15, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

I took note to that to, it was confusing Zhyboo (talk) 13:16, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

If you can find some sources for that info (even though I know it's true), feel free to add it to the page pertaining to season 6. Kelege (talk) 13:37, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

I added a note for this issue on List of The Real Housewives cast members, if that helps. Kelege (talk) 13:54, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

This entire article in its current state is a PR piece, not a Wikipedia article.

Anyone that has watched the show would barely recognize the women from these descriptions. None of their negative qualities are discussed. Imagine an article about Britney Spears that solely talked about her record sales without describing her tumultuous personal life. For instance, it is extremely ironic that the "Countess" LuAnn de Lesseps is writing a book about etiquette since she is constantly blunt, rude, petty, and tactless on the show. We get none of that from this article. SubtleGuest (talk) 02:43, 12 March 2009 (UTC)SubtleGuest

Don't read it then...the show is superficial too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.102.73.138 (talk) 20:26, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

"Don't read it then" is hardly the proper answer to a request to bring an article up to encyclopedic standards. This article as it stands is a disgrace — I don't normally even write about television, but to see an article so baldly written in marketing language, with material lifted verbatim from press releases, and multiple violations of such policies as WP:DATED, WP:TONE, WP:NOTADVERTISING, WP:BLP and others demands attention from responsible editors. This is not a fan page nor a marketing page. This article needs to be raised to encyclopedic standards, which means every claim has to be verified by reliable source citations.

I've made edits to the lead and to the first three cast-members, as a start. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:51, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

LuAnn de Lesseps - "Algonquin tribe"

Please note that there is no "Algonquin tribe" in Connecticut. If a person claims "Algonquin" ancestry, it is akin to a person claiming "European" ancestry, or "African" ancestry. "Algonquin" is an umbrella term and not a "tribe". If Ms. de Lesseps wants to claim she is of Algonquin descent, fine. But it is not a "tribe". She needs to do more research into her ancestry and learn exactly which tribe she descended from. She could be Pequot, Mohegan, or any of the others listed here: http://www.native-languages.org/connecticut.htm

The article has been edited to reflect that LuAnn de Lesseps is of French and Algonquin descent, using her official website as a reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Audrey7272 (talk • contribs) 22:47, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Should the article be semi-protected?

There seems to be a great deal of "drive by" IP edits, that are either vandalism, original research, or adding unreferenced controversial(and possibly libelous statements). I was just curious what other people thought about this.WackoJackO 08:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe a good idea. I see Kelly's section has been edited in that way. Hilarious but definitely not neutral and probably dubious. 98.113.199.242 (talk) 15:16, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Also, anon editors keep deleting the information regarding Kelly Bennsimom's(sp) arrest, despite the fact that it is properly sourced.WackoJackO 13:22, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I am trying my best to bring neutrality to this article. Please don't protect it to the point that it limits my access to bringing updated information to this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Audrey7272 (talk • contribs) 22:50, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

ramona singer lies about her age.she claims to be 52, she has to be at least 55, as she claims she has been married 18 years, and was alone until she was 37. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.238.147.158 (talk) 01:44, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Jennifer Gilbert?

Why is she listed in past housewives? She was in the running, and shot a segment for the opening, but was never officially added to the roster. I think a lot of people will have trouble remembering who she even was. She should be taken off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.247.62.162 (talk) 21:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Jennifer Gilbert also appeared in Season 5 of RHONY. She helped Heather with her fashion show at the season finale so I think a 'Guest' status should be put in for her for Season 5, like most of the other Real Housewives shows have done, example like Faye or Dana from Beverly Hills, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Real_Housewives_of_Beverly_Hills#Housewives_history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.14.130.145 (talk) 19:08, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

The above is not true. Jennifer Gilbert never appeared in RHONY season 5. There is no footage of her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.19.51.227 (talk) 15:21, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

• Yes there is, in episode 18, at 21:32 during Heather's fashion event in the silver dress. Kelege (talk) 15:50, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Jennifer should probably be included in the timeline, as she did in fact have a "recurring" role...featured in several episodes, had her own talking-head interviews, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.57.76.86 (talk) 23:16, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

And she had her own casting photo taken for the third season, so she was a major recurring cast member Zhyboo (talk) 20:47, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

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NYT: Sonja Morgan bought fake Twitter followers

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/27/technology/social-media-bots.html

Devumi also sells bots to reality television stars, who can parlay fame into endorsement and appearance fees. Sonja Morgan, a cast member on the Bravo show “The Real Housewives of New York City,” uses her Devumi-boosted Twitter feed to promote her fashion line, a shopping app and a website that sells personalized “video shout-outs.” One former “American Idol” contestant, Clay Aiken, even paid Devumi to spread a grievance: his customer service complaint against Volvo. Devumi bots retweeted his complaint 5,000 times.

Mr. Aiken and Ms. Morgan did not respond to requests for comment.

Xardox (talk) 18:01, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Infobox

Bethenny goes after Luann in infobox because De Lesseps goes before Frankel. Another user argues that since in French, only Lesseps is considered the last name that Luann should be listed after Bethenny. I feel as if since the article is written in American English, this calls for a discussion. Feel free to chime in! KyleJoan^talk 23:52, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Dispute: The French "de" used in the context of a proper name is "of" and is NOT considered a part of the proper surname "Lesseps" in the matter of alphabetizing. The page may be written in English, but the fact will always remain that Lesseps is the proper surname, French or English being equal or irrelevant, and should be alphabetized as such instead of by the PREPOSITION "de" meaning "of". Also, the "de" is not capitalized which also has a bearing on alphabetical order of a name. "If the prefix consists of an article or of a contraction of an article and a preposition, enter under the prefix: - La Bruyere, Rene - Des Granges, Charles-Marc Otherwise, enter under the part of the name following the preposition": - Musset, Alfred de - La Fontaine, Jean de. Reference: https://www.bookcrossing.com/forum/12/360742 AnAudLife (talk) 00:59, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Another reference; https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2010/07/nobiliary-particle.html "“In the names of Frenchmen and -women, de and d’ are almost always lowercased; treatment of du varies. La and Le are almost always capitalized. In alphabetized lists, names are alphabetized under their first capitalized element." AnAudLife (talk) 01:17, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

And another definitive reference: Merriam-Webster's Manual for Writers and Editors, "In French and Belgium surnames, the preposition de is usually ignored in alphabetization, while the article la usually is not. Lesseps, Ferdinand de and La Tour, Georges de." https://books.google.com/books?id=7C6V9zRxSPkC&pg=PA261&lpg=PA261&dq=alphabetizing+de+lesseps&source=bl&ots=3nu3WCYuLe&sig=ACfU3U2Pe5NoYmSrFOxa0KwUOiGU2y5xkA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjsp4DjxJLjAhUwq1kKHX7EB30Q6AEwEXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=alphabetizing%20de%20lesseps&f=false AnAudLife (talk) 01:27, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

== Conclusion ==

Due to the above preponderance of evidence in support of my revisions to the alpabetizing of the last name Lesseps and in light of said conclusions I believe a permanent change should be made to the list without further dispute and I have just made said change. AnAudLife (talk) 02:52, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

• The BookCrossing.com reference leads to a forum where the quote above was stated by a user whose credentials are unknown, undermining the accuracy of the statement.
• The GrammarPhobia.com blog post specifically states that the rule in question encompasses French nationals. De Lesseps is an American.
• The Merriam-Webster guideline makes use of the word "usually," therefore, it is not absolute, only commonly enforced.

More discussion needs to be held on this specific matter. I'll get started on reaching out to more editors. KyleJoan^talk 03:05, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

I was invited here because I had commented at Talk:Luann de Lesseps where I did not give a categorical opinion. {{infobox television}} says the list of stars should be "Organized by broadcast credit order, with new main cast added to the end of the list". Why is this being disregarded? If this is indeed going to be disregarded then Wikipedia's alphabeticisation guideline at WP:MCSTJR has priority over external guidelines. However, our guideline seems to me to leave unclear the situation of an American having a French surname. I suggest we defer to the program credits but, since I have never seen the show, I have no idea where that leads to. Thincat (talk) 08:29, 7 August 2019 (UTC)