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This page supports ukrainr too much and is biased [[Special:Contributions/113.254.66.32|113.254.66.32]] ([[User talk:113.254.66.32|talk]]) 11:35, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
This page supports ukrainr too much and is biased [[Special:Contributions/113.254.66.32|113.254.66.32]] ([[User talk:113.254.66.32|talk]]) 11:35, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
:Care to explain how? [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 11:46, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
:Care to explain how? [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 11:46, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] When Catherine II annexes a country, it is a conquest but when Russian president does the same, it is an invasion. This article uses every political jargon and trick possible to convince the reader that Putin is a tyrannt. 95% of the sources used are Western sources and therefore do not present other views. When William Shirer was writing a book on Nazi history 15 years after WW2, he was cautioned that it was too early for academic research, and now idle commoners come together and claim to have written a neutral account of this war, while solely relying on Western newspaper articles. Where are the war diaries, letters, government reports, archival documents, monographs, books, journal articles, encyclopedias? They are not written yet, however people here are hasty enough to create an article! [[User:Madame Necker|Madame Necker]] ([[User talk:Madame Necker|talk]]) 17:12, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


The heading above is a link to the archived RfC: Talk:2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_9#RfC on "Supported by" in the infobox for Ukraine, closed 9 June 2022.

See also earlier RfC: Should the individual arms supplying countries be added to the infobox?: closed 6 March 2022.

Both RfCs were closed with "no consensus". Cinderella157 (talk) 08:27, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Attacks in Crimea

In the last ten days there have been two or more large explosions in Crimea https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/08/16/the-ukrainians-have-struck-another-russian-airfield-in-crimea/?sh=4791ca3c2dfa It is a new aspect of the war, so I would have thought a heading here might be justified. I haven't check other related pages yet. Any thoughts? Thelisteninghand (talk) 19:46, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Five Crimea attacks altogether: Black Sea Fleet HQ, Sevastopol, July 31; Saky airbase, August 9; Hvardiiske airbase, August 16; Maiske (adjacent to Azovske) ammunition dump, August 16; Dzhankoi electrical substation, August 16. —Michael Z. 21:58, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Mzajac, I’ve heard the attack at Hvardiivske may be internet rumors - have you seen a reliable source about it? (Just trying to keep up with current information, not question the relevance of attacks in Crimea).—Ermenrich (talk) 22:05, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Speculation is a drone hit an ammo dump at the airbase.[1][2][3] Nothing like the scale of the Saky attack. —Michael Z. 22:17, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There's plenty of RSS on the attacks in Crimea, https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/17/ukraine-defense-minister-special-forces-new-strategy/ the question really is how to include them, given a degree of coyness from UAF about how they are being achieved. In my opinion it is an entirely new 'front' if you can call it that. It is certainly an expansion of operations by Ukraine. The effect on tourism should be noted. The losses reported at Saky were significant for Russia. New heading "Attacks in Crimea"? Thelisteninghand (talk) 20:29, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
August 18: supposedly an ammo depot hit in Belbek with little info, antiaircraft fire over the bridge at Kerch, and depot explosions in Belgorod oblast leading to the evacuation of two towns. August 19: drone reported shot down at Sevastopol.
This campaign may include the use of special forces, partisans, missiles, and/or drones. It is a continuation of the HIMARS campaign against Russian echelon and the (misnamed) 2022 Western Russia attacks. —Michael Z. 21:16, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks - I've made a start, please have a look. There's a separate article for Saki, but not for others - I've made brief summary of three events under 'second phase' and stopped short of calling it a third phase. I've added the timeline article to 'See also'. Thelisteninghand (talk) 21:59, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

President Zelenskyy has mentioned several times that the Crimean peninsular will be eventually be liberated.[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 05:56, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ BBC News television channel; August 2022

Draft:National Republican Army (Russia)

I have created a draft article for the Draft:National Republican Army (Russia), the group which may be responsible for the car bombing that killed Darya Dugina according to Ilya Ponomarev. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 22:56, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New Ukrainian report of their military casualties

Almost 9,000 Ukrainian military killed in war with Russia -armed forces chief | Reuters -- kazerniel (talk | contribs) 14:46, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please update the map, it looks like undated

. 86.123.7.179 (talk) 19:42, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not clear which of the maps you are referencing. The Infobox map looks up to date. ErnestKrause (talk) 13:58, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This page is biased

This page supports ukrainr too much and is biased 113.254.66.32 (talk) 11:35, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Care to explain how? Slatersteven (talk) 11:46, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Slatersteven When Catherine II annexes a country, it is a conquest but when Russian president does the same, it is an invasion. This article uses every political jargon and trick possible to convince the reader that Putin is a tyrannt. 95% of the sources used are Western sources and therefore do not present other views. When William Shirer was writing a book on Nazi history 15 years after WW2, he was cautioned that it was too early for academic research, and now idle commoners come together and claim to have written a neutral account of this war, while solely relying on Western newspaper articles. Where are the war diaries, letters, government reports, archival documents, monographs, books, journal articles, encyclopedias? They are not written yet, however people here are hasty enough to create an article! Madame Necker (talk) 17:12, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]