Talk:Dylann Roof

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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 99.157.108.186 (talk) at 16:35, 16 December 2016 (→‎POV and Article is too long). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Northwest Front

The article states that this group participated in the 1979 Greeensboro, NC massacre. Reading the article cited as the source of this information, it appears that people who later formed the Northwest Front were involved in the Greensboro massacre (which is usually described as a clash between the left-wing Communist Workers Party, and two right-wing organizations, the KKK and the American Nazi Party. The Wikipedia article on the Greensboro massacre does not mention the Northwest Front. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2CD0:4F20:CC9E:DA1A:76A0:6303 (talk) 02:17, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2016

Please remove all instances & variations of the words "alleged" when referring to Dylan Roof's actions as it is fact that he killed these people. It is a proven & documented fact that he is a killer. The only thing that is unknown is the reason.

Xcorinnepx (talk) 06:35, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - his trial does not even start until next year - Arjayay (talk) 07:42, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Legally speaking, all American citizens are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. We wish all perpetrators rights were protected, but even in this situation it's not prudent to skirt the law and the Constitution; as such, "what he did" legally remains allegations until the evidence of those allegations are put through the rigor of trial and are determined to be proof. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.26.2.175 (talk) 20:36, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dylann Roof is an American mass murderer responsible for the June 17, 2015 Charleston church shooting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetruthdefendsitsself (talk • contribs) 03:32, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In that case it's pertinent to ask whether Dylann Roof deserves notability under WP:BIO . Other mass murderers don't always get a Wikipedia page, for instance Adam Lanza doesn't , it's the event that is notable not the individual. That is especially so if you have to say he is an alleged murderer. If he isn't a murderer then how is he notable at all ? I suggest this article be be merged with Charleston church shooting and focus on the crime itself. Moreover there is no consistency in this article's use of the word alleged. Why isn't the word alleged anywhere in the assault by Dwayne Marion Stafford ? That hasn't been prosecuted so the assault by Dwayne Marion Stafford is only alleged Hmcst1 (talk) 19:46, 24 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: As the previous editor said. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I'm been doing 21:54, 24 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed

I agree about the Dwayne Stafford paragraph. Given the absence of serious injury or any resulting charges, the incident seems trivial. What makes it worth noting?

I also think the lead paragraph seems strangely worded. Is he "suspected of perpetrating" the shooting, really? It seems like pointless jargon. While the exact charges and resulting sentencing may not be done yet, is there any doubt that he is the one who shot the people in the church? There were survivors who saw him shoot the people he killed, and he confessed to doing it.

I will remove the Stafford paragraph and the jargon from the lead, lacking support for leaving the page as it is.

Alienkind (talk) 00:01, 17 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alienkind (talk • contribs) 23:56, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • I vote to keep the "2016 assault in prison" section: this section is both relevant and well sourced. StrokeOfMidnight (talk) 01:19, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2016

Please specify in the article the the Synod of the Lutheran church of which he was affiliated is an Evangelical Lutheran Church of America. There are 3 types of Lutheran churches and this should be specified. 68.53.205.179 (talk) 21:31, 28 November 2016 (UTC) Please change the wording of Luthern church to Evangelical Lutheran Church of America. There are 3 types of Lutheran churches and this should be specified. 68.53.205.179 (talk) 21:33, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. The church and the pastor are mentioned in the citation in the article here. A mention of Evangelical Lutheran Church is found in the article. I found a website for that church here that mentions it is a Evangelical Lutheran Church. I have updated the article as asked. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 08:26, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request

<<When he was in middle school, he exhibited an interest in smoking marijuana, having once been caught spending money on it.[7(b)]>>\ This line needs to be removed, as it serves no point as phrased except to demonize a plant/imply a link between Roof's actions and having any history whatsoever with marijuana. Please remove this speculative, baseless, and empty point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Videsque (talk • contribs) 04:59, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done WP:NOTCENSORED 03:31, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2016

Article currently states "Dylann Storm Roof[1] (born April 3, 1994) is an American white supremacist convicted of perpetrating the June 17, 2015 Charleston church shooting, also known as the Charleston church massacre.[2][3]"

I would suggest the article begin "Dylann Storm Roof[1] (born April 3, 1994) is a murderer convicted on December 15th, 2016, of perpetrating the June 17th, 2015 Charleston church shooting, also known as the Charleston church massacre.[2][3] Queenie Moonbeam (talk) 22:15, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - Mlpearc (open channel) 22:17, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

POV and Article is too long

The editors are expressing POV by pushing the "mentality ill, family problems" narrative in the article.

All this info about his personal background, family etc is completely out of place. Beside him being an admitted White Supremacist and a terrorist nothing else about him needs to be mentioned.

Wikipedia is showing it's Racist White Supremacist leaning by playing Public Relation agent for Dylan Roof smh....

This article need to be shorten with only relevant info about the shooting, and not the terrorist Biopic.

I'm going to start removing un-need info! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.176.174.201 (talk) 00:49, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

> "Wikipedia is showing its racist white supremacist leanings"
What are you smoking, son?
--99.157.108.186 (talk) 16:35, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Error In Article: Wrong Flag

The subhuman did not pose next to this flag.

One part of the article says that the subhuman posed next to a "Confederate flag" on his license plate. He did not pose next to a Confederate flag. He posed next to a Confederate battle flag used by the CSA military. People really need to get this right. --99.157.108.186 (talk) 16:34, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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