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Thats not correct. eddie asks: where is your accent from? romania? bulgaria? balkans? and niko answers: you´re a smart guy. roman has never been called a serb. he has been called a serf by vlad. play the game with subtitles. and roman had problems with the albanians because of his debts. kosovo war has nothing to do with this. in the game it is never said that niko is from serbia. they allways say that he is slavic or from the balkans. sometimes they say mediterranian guy. and he was in the war. so he can be from serbia, croatia and bosnia. you see people they don´t tell it in the game. but niko is still speaking serbian, not croatian. but he has to speak in one of those languages, that doesn´t mean that he is from serbia. if he would speak pure croatian that wouldn´t mean that he has to be from croatia. they let it open from which of these countries he really is. it would be only correct if you say that niko is from the balkans or from former yugoslavia. it is never said in which war he was, in the bosnian or in the croatian war. this has to be changed. it is wrong to look at news on the internet to prove where he is from. you can only find that out by playing the game. and the game don´t want to tell it. rockstars also never said it officially. so let him be what he is, from the balkans or former yugoslavia. talking about croatia, serbia or bosnia alone is wrong. and it should be said that he was in the yugoslavian war, because we don´t know if he was in bosnia or in croatia in the war. we only know trough the game that the war was in the balkans from 1991 to 1995. [[User:Dave Galesh|Dave Galesh]] ([[User talk:Dave Galesh|talk]]) 19:03, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Thats not correct. eddie asks: where is your accent from? romania? bulgaria? balkans? and niko answers: you´re a smart guy. roman has never been called a serb. he has been called a serf by vlad. play the game with subtitles. and roman had problems with the albanians because of his debts. kosovo war has nothing to do with this. in the game it is never said that niko is from serbia. they allways say that he is slavic or from the balkans. sometimes they say mediterranian guy. and he was in the war. so he can be from serbia, croatia and bosnia. you see people they don´t tell it in the game. but niko is still speaking serbian, not croatian. but he has to speak in one of those languages, that doesn´t mean that he is from serbia. if he would speak pure croatian that wouldn´t mean that he has to be from croatia. they let it open from which of these countries he really is. it would be only correct if you say that niko is from the balkans or from former yugoslavia. it is never said in which war he was, in the bosnian or in the croatian war. this has to be changed. it is wrong to look at news on the internet to prove where he is from. you can only find that out by playing the game. and the game don´t want to tell it. rockstars also never said it officially. so let him be what he is, from the balkans or former yugoslavia. talking about croatia, serbia or bosnia alone is wrong. and it should be said that he was in the yugoslavian war, because we don´t know if he was in bosnia or in croatia in the war. we only know trough the game that the war was in the balkans from 1991 to 1995. [[User:Dave Galesh|Dave Galesh]] ([[User talk:Dave Galesh|talk]]) 19:03, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

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Despite this, you don't have a reference, unlike the above section, which means the game probably identifies him as serbian.


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Giving Niko his own page

if we did it for all the other protagonst, why not for Niko? --SoldierOfColbert (talk) 04:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Significance of Dimitri Rascalov's name

in GTA IV It seems to me that the name Dimitri Rascalov (and perhaps to a far lesser extent the character himself) is a reference to the character Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov, the protagonist in Russian author Fyodor Dostoevsky's novel Crime and Punishment. Besides the obvious similarity in last name and the fact that the mission in which Dimitri Rascolov is first introduced is titled "Crime and Punishment," the character Raskolnikov is a poor former student who commits a murder and ends up trying to hide the fact from his friends, family and the authorities. Additionally, Dimitri somewhat resembles Raskolnikov as he is described in the novel, as he is tall, fair of build and has brownish-blond hair, although he is never mentioned as wearing glasses.

However, all of these similarities are irrelevant if no one thinks that the references to Raskolnikov are worth mentioning in the article. So, what do you think? --Bionic Pants (talk) 23:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Mike and Joey

I'm pretty sure there's nothing out there confirming any of these characters, including their involvement with other known characters.

True but then again there is a chance they will be in there! Joey might make a return as Don of the Leones! But this is purely Speculation--Manny Ribera 14:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

jacob

jacob needs to be added to this page

I agree. He has actually been confirmed here as part of the official new artwork: http://www.gta4.net/artwork/
The actual filename "http://files.gtanet.com/images/3393_gta_iv_artwork_jacob_spliff.jpg" also suggests his last name is Spliff. Anyway, I previously saw someone add info about Jacob Spliff in the article although Alex deleted it. Should I add it back? Elizabeta has also been added after she was displayed in the artwork with no surname mentioned either so why not Jacob? -Bhavesh.Chauhan 19:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But it's just a file name. Elizabeta was actually confirmed by a magazine in the editors letter section. If this Jacob Spliff can be confirmed in a similar form to the one I mentioned above then you can add it. - .:Alex:. 16:58, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Back in April a zip file sent to magazines which were doing the first GTA4 previews contained a file named Jacob spliff 04 flat.psd, presumably referring to a character named Jacob smoking a spliff inside his (?) flat (which is depicted by above mentioned artwork). But yea, you won't find an "official" source for that anywhere yet. Could as well add it to a list of rumored character names, along with "B. Crane", which can be seen on a door in the second trailer. -88.72.60.154 14:07, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia doesn't do rumors. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. - .:Alex:. 15:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Characters

I don't think we should start this yet! We have so little info of each charaters of the game we should delete this article!--Manny Ribera 13:46, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 On Nicko's age; I gave Little Jacob a ride last night and in their conversation Niko said, to the effect, he isn't sure how old he is anymore. He stated that he stopped counting/having birthdays since so many of his friends are dead and can't have any more birthdays, so why should he. I know that Niko's gay profile said he was 30 but that could be an estimate by his cousin or Rockstar's use of real world facts concerning things not considered mainstream. Not to start some sort of flame war but people cruising for cheap sex tend to understate their age.

Niko from Russia

Give out a reason why you took out the mention of Russia Alex. I just would like one. Sean mc Sean 22:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

isn't he russian and he's also a antagonist. no one in GTA is protagonist cause they don't do anything exactly good.

"The protagonist or main character/narrator is the central figure of a story." Taken directly from Wikipedia's definition. Protagonist doesn't necessary mean the "morally righteous" guy of a story. Look it up in the dictionary yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.213.117.12 (talk) 22:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yea. xbox just recently confirmed he was russian last week but I think Alex took it out. I think he needs the official source from R*. - Bhavesh.Chauhan 02:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


-Listen: Go to the gunshop and buy something. The shop keeper says "You Russians are drying me out" or something to that extent. Niko replies with "I'm NOT Russian..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.13.75.181 (talk) 21:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blonde woman in the 2nd trailer

Has any info been released bout this character? I haven't seen anything for myself, but if anyone knows anything about her, please add it to the article (with cources and citation, of course). Dancehallqueen123 03:08, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For those who need a visual http://files.gtanet.com/images/3461_gta_iv_trailer.jpg Dancehallqueen123 20:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's no info released about her and adding speculation to the article will be useless since it'll be deleted anyway. When the time comes, correct information will be added about her (if she is a character even). Till then, just be patient. - Bhavesh.Chauhan (talk contribs count) 05:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. Nice way to welcome new members. All I was saying, is when someone knows her name, don't forget to add her to the article, since she did have some dialogue in the trailer. Why wouldn't she be considered a character, since a "character" is defined as a person represented in a drama, story, etc.? Dancehallqueen123 21:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I didn't know you are a new user on Wikipedia. But still, you have to be patient until more information gets released. And anyway, when information such as her name will be released why not be BOLD and add it yourself into the article, eh? Ok well, she may not be considered a character because she might just be a bystander/pedestrian in the game who was just a witness on a news channel or something like that. She can literally be any random person in the game.. no one can really say who she is at the moment. As I said before, the game doesn't release until Spring time, 2008, so we can't add anything about her into the article yet. - Bhavesh.Chauhan (talk contribs count) 06:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Niko Bellic

The article Niko Bellic should be merged into this article for several reasons. The article Niko Bellic has no secondary sources to establish notability, per Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Notability (fiction). The article as it stands now would probably not survive AFD. This list has a better chance of not being deleted, as the combination of characters has typically improved the assertion of notability in the past.

Secondly, the Niko article just repeats the small description found in this list. I see no reason to keep the separate article. I had previously performed this merge myself ([1] [2]), but was reverted by .:Alex:. ([3]), so I am bringing this for discussion. Pagrashtak 06:59, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well once the game is released there will be much more information regarding Niko that can be used to expand the article. So I am willing to agree that until then the article can be merged. .:Alex:. 08:16, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I've changed the article back into a redirect for now. After the game is released, please wait to create a separate article until there is real-world information to add and secondary sources that establish notability. It may be the case that this character will never be notable enough for a separate article. Pagrashtak 19:43, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Review stuff

Three missions were previewed during the demonstration. The first one was "Search and Delete," followed by "Deconstruction for Beginners" and then "Truck Hustle". A new character called Playboy X is introduced by Elizabeta (a mutual friend) during the second mission. Playboy X lives in a mansion, and eventually provides missions for Niko. A second character called Dwayne Ford is introduced, who just got out of prison. He taught Playboy X "everything he knows," apparently. In the third mission, two characters called Ray and Bell are introduced. They are from the mafia, and are trying to help Niko find someone, but want some favours done in return. The character Brucie is introduced to Niko by his cousin Roman. Brucie runs a garage just around the corner from Roman's taxi depot in Broker. Characters often look different each time you see them instead of perpetually wearing the same clothes like in previous GTAs. This was all from a review. GameSpot's preview has similar information. We saw Niko meet up with a new African-American character named Playboy X who is looking to recruit Niko. The arrangement appears to be a good fit, as we see Niko saying he needs money and doesn't care if he lives or dies. Playboy and Niko's chat is interrupted by the appearance of another new African-American face, Duane Moore. In a good and awkward moment Duane attempts to reconnect with Playboy and "pick up" where they left off, but it's clear Playboy isn't too stoked to have Duane be a part of his business. Playboy eventually goes inside leaving Niko alone with Duane and setting the stage for awkward moment number two as the pair chat a bit about "business." Their conversation is cut short by Playboy, who heads out with Niko to go on an errand. ... Your mission is simple: Kill the lookouts and get inside to take out the Mafioso union leaders in order to impress a character called Yusuf. ... The next mission kicked off with Niko and a gent named Ray coming into an office. Ray offers up Niko's services for some work; it seems the Triads want to offload something, so you're tasked with hijacking a truck in Alderney, the game's equivalent of New Jersey, and then checking in with a Mr. Bell. I think the second one is more reliably, since I found the first on a message board and it has different names. 206.159.155.148 (talk) 12:54, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Niko is Serbian

In the 3rd trailer "move up ladies" there is a scene where Niko meets Roman on a harbour and says "zdravo bračeru". This means "Hi Brother" in Serbian.

http://www.gta4.tv/forums/index.php?showtopic=783621&st=90

I am also fluent in Serbian and i can tell you that is true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rza90 (talkcontribs) 00:43, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hard to say for certain, as Serbian as a language is spoken in a number of other countries. monkeygra (talk) 18:05, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway the cousins say their own name wrong.

Im swedish and everyone here would say bellic like bell _ck_ Not like bellić = belli _ssh_ Or Bellic = belli _ts_ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kristoffer.ekendahl (talkcontribs) 04:49, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Many people speak serbo-croation the reason i know he is Croation is because Niko is a Roman Catholic name, derived from Nicholas but Slavinized for short Niko. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigwolfx (talkcontribs)

  • He says "Zdravo Burazeru" which means "Hi, brother" when he talks with Roman, also when asked if he has forgotten their language, he says his language is "Serbian". When you talk with the hitman Eddie, Eddie asks "Where are you from? Balkans, Bosnia, Serb?" Niko replies: "You're a smart guy". His mother Milica (Serb name) sends emails in the Serbian language. MSNBC: "Niko is a Serbian veteran in the Bosnian war" BradyGames: "Niko is a Serb immigrant". Rockstar Games: "He is NOT Russian", In Game: "Im not Russian", "My language is Serb" Roman is called SERB by his friends. He has feuds with the Albanians, because of the Kosovo War. -User:Nexm0d

daddy yankee or the big boss in the game?

i see a lot of web pages that they said that daddy yankee is on the game? is this true? --200.118.32.224 (talk) 23:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jeremy St. Ives

Jeremy must be a character in the game as well, as he is not only prominently featured in the television commercial, but also one of the co-hosts of the radio show "The Men's Room". However, aside from his appearance, I have no other information. monkeygra (talk) 18:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Niko's name (refactored discussion)

Where did you get "Nikolai" from? It would be "Nikola" in Yugoslavian. I haven't seen any official source say that his name is Nikolai. --nlitement [talk] 09:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're right nlitement. The Nikolai bit only seems to be on fan sites and the like, official sites and reliable magazines only ever call him Niko. - X201 (talk) 10:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"Yugoslavian"? :P But yeah, seems like copying speculation. Emil Kastberg (talk) 13:18, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
0 hits for nikolai site:rockstargames.com. xenocidic (talk) 13:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If that's true, flat out remove it and keep it out. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 17:30, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder what country is he from? None of the ex-Yugoslavian countries features a double L in any word, including regular surnames. If he were really from Serbia, his name would be Nikon Belić (not Niko and definitely not Bellic, nor Bellić). However, the voice acting in Niko's mother tongue (featured in trailer #3) is so bad that I can make out only the first word (it is definitely one of the ex-Yugoslavian languages) and guess what the other word means. Admiral Norton (talk) 17:59, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I did notice that when I did a google search for nikolai bellic it suggested "belic". anyhow. fictional universe, take it up with Rockstar ;> xenocidic (talk) 18:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've knocked it out. No doubt the usual "but this site know everything, they talk to Rockstar" claims will arise. But something like a character name should be easily obtainable from a primary source and shouldn't need to rely on fan sites. - X201 (talk) 18:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is the source used on the Niko entry in the characters page for "Nikolai" Kikizo.com. Bill (talk|contribs) 18:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Consensus above is that there was no credible source as to Niko's full name. It was likely something kikizo just came up with. Until there is proper proof that his full name is "Nikolai", please stick to the facts. xenocidic (talk) 14:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'd agree for now to leave it out. I've not seen anywhere else that has used Nikolai apart from Kikizo. While Kikizo is usually reliable, it's probably best to look at the majority of publications that don't mention the full name and be on the safe side. Bill (talk|contribs) 14:42, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Um, Kikizo pretty much say that the game calls him "Nikolai". That's why it was put into the article in the first place. .:Alex:. 18:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, yes, Jack Thompson Goldberg calls him Nikolai. But why is the word "nikolai" completely absent from Rockstar's website? xenocidic (talk) 19:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Haven't gotten to the mission yet, but I'm guessing the reason Jack calls him "Nikolai" is because he's pretentious and just inferring that Niko is a short form. His name might not actually be Nikolai. Even his mother calls him "Niko" in emails. xenocidic (talk) 18:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I just finished the mission, and just as I suspected, he starts off the interview saying "Niko...what's that short for, Nikolai" (niko doesn't answer one way or the other) and then he goes on to call him Nikolai for the rest of the interview even though Niko never confirmed that was his name. xenocidic (talk) 23:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For the same reason Tommy Vercetti isn't called Thomas on the VC website? Well actually I'm not sure about that one. But they don't have a bio of Niko on the site come to think of it. .:Alex:. 19:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Niko is not Serbian! Niko is a Roman catholic name therefore that makes him Croatian. I would know I'm from yugoslavia. And by the way the voice acting is great and I understood every word said by Niko in croatian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigwolfx (talkcontribs)

Wrong, it is already noted that he is a SERB. look at the references!

Playboy X

Playboy X was introduced to Niko by Elizabeta. He is an African-American gangster, and owns a mansion in the North Algonquin area. He used to do business with a pal called Dwayne Forge, a drug baron and gang leader who was recently released from prison, but Playboy has since moved on without him. He wears a multi-colored

Multi-coloured what? Someone who knows want to finish that line? Kaotac (talk) 04:55, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cast list

Niko Bellic - Michael Hollick Roman Bellic - Jason Zumwalt Brucie Kibbutz - Timothy Adams Dimitri Rascalov - Moti Margolin Francis McReary - Thomas Lyons Patrick McReary - Ryan Johnston Little Jacob - Coolie Ranx Elisabeta Torres - Charlie Parker Ray Boccino - Joe Barbara Phil Bell - Frank Bonsangue Mallorie Bardas - Elena Harvey Hurst Vladimir Glebov - Misha Kuznetsov Manny Escuela - Berto Colon Playboy X - Postell Pringle Mikhail Faustin - Karel Roden Dwayne Forge - Devin Richards Bledar Morina - Gregory Korostishevsky

--.:Alex:. 20:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Niko is a Serbian

Hi, as I can see there was some arguing about Niko's nationality. I first he was Russian but then I found that on many places it is said that he is a Serbian.

Here are some links to be added by someone that can edit. Please add them so there is less confusion. Thanks

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24356918/

In this site it is said <Niko Bellic, a merchant mariner and Serbian vet of the Bosnian civil war, arrives in Liberty City aboard a freighter ship.>

http://kotaku.com/384421/grand-theft-auto-iv-review-life-liberty-city-and-the-pursuit-of-happiness

<In it, damaged goods Serbian war vet Niko Bellic ventures to Liberty City in search of closure, all the while coming to terms with the harsh realities of The American Dream.>

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology/gamezone/2008/04/29/grand-theft-auto-iv-89520-20399274/

<This time around you take the role of former soldier Niko Bellic, a Serbian immigrant who is lured into Liberty City's underworld by his shady cousin Roman, falsely promising wealth and women.>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/apr/29/grandtheftauto?gusrc=rss&feed=technology

<Lead character Niko Bellic is a Serbian national with a violent military past who arrives in Liberty City via a rusted container ship.>

I suspect he is more Croatian than Serbian. Both were involved in the Bosnian war, but Niko is a common Croatian name. Bellic means "Warlike" in latin, so its more likely in a country with an influence from Rome. This fits well with the Croatian theory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.112.144.129 (talk) 00:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


On the contrary I suspect that he is more Serbian than Croatian. Belic would come from the slavic word belo meaning white. Also Niko could be short for Nikola. In Serbia almost everyone goes by a shortened name, especially in familiar relationships. Also in the introduction he says "Zdravo Burazeru" which would translate to "Hello (or greetings) Brother" in serbo-croatian, and I believe this term is more commonly used in Serbia rather that Croatia. Although all this information would equally suggest origin from any ex-yugoslavian country, I am told that he mentions Serbian and is referred to as a Serb throughout the game. This information would conclude this discussion, however, it is yet to be cited. Mstank (talk) 08:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Within the first couple of hours Niko does say a few phrases in Serbo-Croatian ("Zdravo burazeru", "kaži mi da da" - second mission, and a few more). The opening "burazeru" phrase is Serbian, that word is not used in Croatia, so to me Niko comes across as Serbian. 67.160.46.248 (talk) 08:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, he's Serbian (see [4] and [5]. I've updated the section. Neıl 10:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So who plays Niko Bellic?

The IMDB says the Burce Kronenberg plays him, but someone wrote that Michael Hollick does. I reverted this edit until we can find a source that says that Mr. Hollick does in fact, voice Bellic. James Luftan contribs 16:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, it seems that an ovewhelming majority beleives that Bellic is played by Hollick. James Luftan contribs 16:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
..once again, I'm amazed by Wikipedia editors. The game was released 2 days ago and included a manual with proper credits. And yes, it is Hollick. --nlitement [talk] 00:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Niko is Serbian

I think, Niko is a serb. I have found two references. They show that Niko is a serb [6] and [7]. Sorry, the references are in the German language. This is because I live in Switzerland and I am a serb too. In the first reference stand, that he is serb and he has fought in the Yugoslav wars. In the second reference stand, that he is serb. I can find some references to show, that Niko is a serbian, but I think two references are enough to show that he is serb. Niko could be short for Nikola and in the introduction he says "Zdravo Burazeru" which would translate to "Hello Brother" in serbian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.226.64.229 (talk) 18:34, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And if the email his mother sent to him still doesn't convince someone.. ugh. --nlitement [talk] 12:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can we please spell right?

Success is spelled like "succes" in this phrase: "Roman send a taxi to take you anywhere for free, though the succes/failure of having one available is random." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.240.159 (talk) 02:36, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

spoilers

I just wanted to read on a few characters' backstories but it immediately tells you if and when they die. Could there at least be a spoiler alert?

(talk) 17:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not censored and doesn't do spoiler warnings anymore, sorry. It must be said that reading the sections will mention their deaths anyway... .:Alex:.


The significance of the name Bellic

The name Bellic is defined by

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Bellic

as: Of or pertaining to war; warlike; martial.

This fits very well into the character's history, making it notable. Many other names are significant - Faustin being linked to 'Faust', the path of Faust. Again, this is something that is mirrored in the choices Mr. Faustin makes. Perhaps we could add this information in? 64.252.165.155 (talk) 02:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Really a necessity to list when a character dies?

Really a necessity to list when a character dies? Jesus I just wanted to check up on someone and just found out that another character dies. That info is totally not necessary here. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fact of the matter is - if you don't want things spoiled, stay far away from WP until you're through the story. xenocidic (talk) 20:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You suggest we should play the whole game through and miss some important information about the characters ? Think about the non-native english speakers, you can't follow every dialog, even with subtitles on. It's nice to have a (free) guide speaking of character's history to refer to... I could of course buy the 15€ paper guide which will have the same use... Without the spoilers (or well-placed). 82.66.141.234 (talk) 10:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

possible additions of Bobby Jefferson, Julio Ochoa (spoilers)

As he is a fairly important minor character later in the game, Bobby Jefferson should warrant consideration of an entry. As a reminder, he is an associate of Gravelli who is in town to give a speech about the dangers of the Russian mafia. Niko must protect him when his convoy is attacked. As is heard by a radio news brief sometime after the mission, this speech (which also lauded the efforts of other hard-working immigrants such as Niko) also prompts Mayor Julio Ochoa to pay more attention to the Russians, possibly foreshadowing a shift in power with a reduced Russian presence in future games taking place in Liberty City. Ochoa, though unseen, plays more of a role than many already listed.

Youngblood0000 (talk) 10:10, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Youngblood0000 (talkcontribs) 10:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply] 

U.L Paper's agency

U.L Paper is a CIA agent. You can see a Certificate of Excellence with the CIA seal on the wall behind and to the right of him in the intro cutscene of Wrong Is Right.

75.38.40.209 (talk) 19:32, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Enough references of his origin??

Some links showing Niko is a Serbian:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24356918/ "Niko Bellic, a merchant mariner and Serbian vet of the Bosnian civil war"

http://kotaku.com/384421/grand-theft-auto-iv-review-life-liberty-city-and-the-pursuit-of-happiness "In it, damaged goods Serbian war vet Niko Bellic ventures to Liberty City in search of closure"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology/gamezone/2008/04/29/grand-theft-auto-iv-89520-20399274/ "This time around you take the role of former soldier Niko Bellic, a Serbian immigrant who is lured into Liberty City's underworld"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/apr/29/grandtheftauto?gusrc=rss&feed=technology "Lead character Niko Bellic is a Serbian national with a violent military past who arrives in Liberty City via a rusted container ship."

http://www.gamekult.com/tout/jeux/fiches/J000074918_test.html "clandestin serbe" In French

http://www.actiontrip.com/reviews/360/grandtheftautoiv.phtml?2656 "immigrant (evidently Serbian)"

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080429/gta_iv_080429/20080429?hub=World "The game tells the story of Niko Bellic, an immigrant from Serbia who comes to Liberty City (a stand-in for New York)"

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2008/04/29/0329grandtheftauto.html "This installment features shadowy Serbian War veteran Niko Bellic"

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-rutten30apr30,0,5577860.column "In this case, the story of a former Serbian militiaman"

http://dcist.com/2008/04/29/gamers_line_for.php "follows a Serbian immigrant"

http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/Content?oid=764682&category=33187 "a Serbian immigrant hungry for a slice of the American Dream"

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/421141 "Niko Bellic, less than two days off the boat from Serbia, is going on his first American date."

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=559596 "— Niko Bellic — a Serbian who fought in the Balkan conflict as a teenager"

http://www.gameindustry.com/review/item.asp?id=959 "Being a Serbian immigrant, he arrives by boat to Liberty City to meet up with his cousin, Roman"

http://www.wired.com/gaming/gamingreviews/commentary/games/2008/05/gamesfrontiers_0502 "In GTA IV you play as Niko Bellic, a just-off-the-boat Serbian immigrant who is scarred by his experience in the Balkan wars."

http://www.hartfordadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=7713 "A Serbian war veteran"

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-rutten30apr30,0,5577860.column "In this case, the story of a former Serbian militiaman"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1924976/Just-a-game-Or-a-danger-to-young-minds.html "game in which a Serbian soldier called Niko Bellic arrives in Liberty City"

http://blog.play3-live.com/ratch/post/2008/05/06/Test-GTA-IV "se cache un Serbe qui a fait la guerre" and "notre Serbe"

http://www.xbox-360.fr/articles/visutest-xbox360__149__grand-theft-auto-iv__.html "Niko Bellic, réfugié serbe



--As for the pigeons... Why they did not put the HIDDEN PACKAGES and put PIGEONS is might be because as Niko is a Serbian and he hates Albanians which are represented as pigeons in Serbia. So he kills them....

--The language spoken in the game is SERBIAN

--http://www.photorola.net/uploads/2cf46a73a6.jpg "Actual footage in the game of Roman saying Serbian (language)"

---he receive from his mother is written in Ekavski (Serbian)

The face of Niko Bellic?

Hey, watch this video, particuarly at 3:37, the Thug for the Russian Mafia looks suprisingly like Niko Bellic, notice the big nose, :D , [8], he's the one in the grey tracksuit top BTW... --Hexhunter (talk) 21:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Niko is from the balkans or former yugoslavia

[quote]He says "Zdravo Burazeru" which means "Hi, brother" when he talks with Roman, also when asked if he has forgotten their language, he says his language is "Serbian". When you talk with the hitman Eddie, Eddie asks "Where are you from? Balkans, Bosnia, Serb?" Niko replies: "You're a smart guy". His mother Milica (Serb name) sends emails in the Serbian language. MSNBC: "Niko is a Serbian veteran in the Bosnian war" BradyGames: "Niko is a Serb immigrant". Rockstar Games: "He is NOT Russian", In Game: "Im not Russian", "My language is Serb" Roman is called SERB by his friends. He has feuds with the Albanians, because of the Kosovo War. -User:Nexm0d[/quote]

Thats not correct. eddie asks: where is your accent from? romania? bulgaria? balkans? and niko answers: you´re a smart guy. roman has never been called a serb. he has been called a serf by vlad. play the game with subtitles. and roman had problems with the albanians because of his debts. kosovo war has nothing to do with this. in the game it is never said that niko is from serbia. they allways say that he is slavic or from the balkans. sometimes they say mediterranian guy. and he was in the war. so he can be from serbia, croatia and bosnia. you see people they don´t tell it in the game. but niko is still speaking serbian, not croatian. but he has to speak in one of those languages, that doesn´t mean that he is from serbia. if he would speak pure croatian that wouldn´t mean that he has to be from croatia. they let it open from which of these countries he really is. it would be only correct if you say that niko is from the balkans or from former yugoslavia. it is never said in which war he was, in the bosnian or in the croatian war. this has to be changed. it is wrong to look at news on the internet to prove where he is from. you can only find that out by playing the game. and the game don´t want to tell it. rockstars also never said it officially. so let him be what he is, from the balkans or former yugoslavia. talking about croatia, serbia or bosnia alone is wrong. and it should be said that he was in the yugoslavian war, because we don´t know if he was in bosnia or in croatia in the war. we only know trough the game that the war was in the balkans from 1991 to 1995. Dave Galesh (talk) 19:03, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Despite this, you don't have a reference, unlike the above section, which means the game probably identifies him as serbian.

Characters dead?

Can Iget some proof the graffiti saying some characters are dead, besides the quote? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.51.250 (talk) 21:25, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't Niko short for Nikolai?

Isn't Niko short for Nikolai? In the interview with Tom Goldburg Tom asks the same question and then calls Niko "Nikolai" without any kind of correction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Secondhandsmoke (talkcontribs) 04:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One survivor...

In the line "There are virtually no characters from the previous games in GTA 4" there is one exception to this Lazlow who was in all the games after GTA 2 is the guy from ZiT and has a radio show.