Talk:Manspreading

Lede image not really manspreading

Manspreading as defined in the article as a man's legs taking "more space than the speaker sees as necessary or polite". The photograph in the lede show men facing each other where the space between them necessitates angling their legs so they wont touch. The photographer is none other than User:Peter_Isotalo who is also spreading his legs widely apart to avoid contact with his neighbor. As such, this is not a photo of Manspreading and should be removed.Mattnad (talk) 18:16, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

I agree. Easiest thing to do is to move the MTA poster image up and the man and woman image down so I'll do that.--regentspark (comment) 21:34, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm fine with the MTA picture in the lede, but the males in the second photo are not really manspreading. If they were to have their legs closed together they'd be bumping knees. Anyone who's traveled using those facing seats knows what I mean.Mattnad (talk) 22:58, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

I disagree heartily here, especially since I was the one who took the photo and know the context. My right knee kinda-sorta looks like its spread over my neighbors seat, but I can assure you that this was not the case. It's the angle of the camera that is producing that effect. If its distracting, I suggesting simply editing out my knees. But I'm not going to engage in discussions about what I did or didn't do in this photo. I was there, I took the photo, I know what I was doing. Anyone who wishes to claim something else is either questioning my sincerity or has an agenda.

By the way, I am myself 190 cms, but I have no experience of "bumping knees" with men who aren't sitting with a clear manspread like this. At least not on the Stockholm Metro, and not in this type of car. Not much else to add to that.

Peter ^Isotalo 14:40, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

I cropped the pic somewhat and uploaded it in place of the other one. I disagree with the idea of moving up the MTR poster as the lead, btw. An actual, real-life example is far more relevant as a lead illustration compared to NYC campaign material.

Peter ^Isotalo 14:51, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

So you're saying you weren't manspreading but the other guy was, and we should ignore how it looks when you do it as an optical illusion, but it's not when the other guy does it. And yet I see the person to the right of you avoiding your leg as well. So when you do it it's necessary and polite, but not the other guy. Got it. Now you're editing out the evidence. At any rate, two editors here are in agreement, and you're on your own objecting to the change.Mattnad (talk) 14:54, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

No, I'm simply saying that you're obliged not to call me a hypocritical liar in the face of a rational explanation. If you want to go down Paranoia Lane with accusations of my "editing out the evidence", it's all on you.

Peter ^Isotalo 15:23, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

• I prefer the MTA poster to the Isolato image. First, manspreading was popularized by the MTA campaign so that image is the more appropriate. Second, I'd rather not use a staged image as the lead when an alternative is available. I'm reverting Peter Isolato but, of course, they are welcome to add their image back in the main body of the article and/or open an RfC for wider input. --regentspark (comment) 15:02, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

RegentsPark, which image do you consider to be "staged"? The poster or the photo I took?

I'm personally in favor of an actual illustration, but I'm not going to start a huge row about it. But I don't appreciate being accused of lying and hypocrisy by Mattnad just because his views on this topic are different from mine (and that of most reliable sources).

Peter ^Isotalo 15:18, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

You're the one who has tried to crop our your own "spread" from the photograph. How should we interpret that? Looks like when you do it, it's not "manspreading". So why the other guy?Mattnad (talk) 15:59, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

I think the photo is fine because it does illustrate manspreading so nothing wrong with including it. Actually, because it shows one person manspreading while another is not, it is better than, say, the woman lolling on the seat image. Still, I'd rather go with the MTA poster on top because it is directly connected to the term as opposed to something included mainly to illustrate the act. --regentspark (comment) 16:13, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

It looks like it's settled anyway. The MTA poster is nonfree. Since there are free images present, no nonfree may be used, since that would fail NFCC #1 (replaceable and, indeed, replaced). Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 17:46, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

ok. I would have thought this comes under fair use but if not ... In that case I'm ok with moving the other image up. --regentspark (comment) 18:02, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Is this article really neutral?

I have the impression that the article is overwhelmingly critical of the term manspreading when this term is becoming increasingly popular among the young generation of feminists and not at all criticized as trivial by feminists. Pulling one example out of context (Tom Hanks) does not prove anything. --Nattes à chat (talk) 22:36, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

The entire topic is contentious. The Tom Hanks example illustrates the sometimes pettiness of complaints and was notable enough that it received multiple national media outlet stories and coverage. Your personal opinions about it perhaps differ, but wikipedia is built on verifiable sources.Mattnad (talk) 14:46, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2019

I suggest replacing all direct mentions of the word 'men' or 'man'(except the words itself) and replacing them to people since it is an accusation to men, no matter how the reader interpret the meanings. Add an extra line at the end of the first paragraph explaining this style is commonly practiced by a portion of men. I choose to submit this request is because of a lot of people around me doing this aren't exactly men and not all men practice such action. By inscribing the word, 'men' or 'man' is direct discrimination against men. IMPORTANT: I did not submit this request to change the word "Manspreading" since that was the term used widely and recognized. This request was for the explanation and the meanings. Thank you very much and I hope you have a great day! Runkai Zhang (talk) 22:31, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Thank you for your request. If the word "men" is to be changed in every instance to a person, then your request should indicate which persons this should be, along with references for the changes. Otherwise, we cannot know which persons you wish to have these changed to.  Spintendo  22:55, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Age

Hi. I think old men manspread more than young men. The article does not explain about the effect age of on manspreading. Is it effective or not? --Doostdar (talk) 17:28, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

NPOV

This article is in severe need of a thorough, outside, POV check. As it seems to be very short on anything but one particular ideological view on the subject. And completely devoid of any medical or biological discussion. James xeno (talk) 02:15, 24 April 2020 (UTC)