Talk:Muslim Brotherhood

Cleaning Up

This page really needs to be cleaned up. It has enormous paragraphs everywhere, very little coherence (very little of what's written in any section is relevant to the section heading), lots of links to print sources which don't say what it is said they say (one example goes "In 1997, Muslim Brotherhood Supreme Guide Mustafa Mashhur told journalist Khalid Daoud..." but the print book source it lists doesn't have any mention of "Mashhur" anywhere and he doesn't seem to be in any news articles anywhere).

Is anyone willing to help me with this? Or wishes to propose a better structure for the page than it has now? I personally don't think we need sections titled "In Egypt", "In the Middle East", "Elsewhere in Africa", "Other States", and "Foreign Relations".

I'm also alarmed at the amount of uncited statements. For example, under "Elsewhere in Africa" and then under "Maldives": 'The Adhaalath Party was founded in 2005. They have 1 seat in the Maldivian Parliament. They have been alleged to have participated in a coup that toppled president Mohamed Nasheed.' No citation, nothing even claiming this to be related to the Muslim Brotherhood...

If people want to take a task here are some which need to be done:

1. Cleaning up larger paragraphs and breaking them up into readable divided sections.
2. Ensuring that sections and subsections maintain coherence
3. Better organizing of the group's "Foreign Relations" and International Activities sections.
4. Adding sections which can act as catch-all for information which is scattered throughout the page (like "Affiliated Members" or "Affiliated Parties")
5. Adding "Citation Needed" tags
6. Verifying sources (lots of print sources here, unfortunately...)

Please feel free to add more... Mavriksfan11 (talk) 16:58, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 6 external links on Muslim Brotherhood. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100807010707/http://www.nefafoundation.org/miscellaneous/FeaturedDocs/nefambexecbureaurejectubltape1207.pdf to http://www.nefafoundation.org/miscellaneous/FeaturedDocs/nefambexecbureaurejectubltape1207.pdf
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120120161038/http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/772/op8.htm to http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/772/op8.htm
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20121209125608/http://www.salon.com/2012/11/28/egyptian_courts_suspend_work_to_protest_morsi_decrees/singleton/ to http://www.salon.com/2012/11/28/egyptian_courts_suspend_work_to_protest_morsi_decrees/singleton/
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20111011182523/http://www.currenttrends.org/docLib/20090411_Merley.USBROTHERHOOD.pdf to http://www.currenttrends.org/docLib/20090411_Merley.USBROTHERHOOD.pdf
• Added archive https://swap.stanford.edu/20091018121447/http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=3996 to http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=3996
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090215024930/http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm to http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 05:25, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

External links modified (February 2018)

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Muslim Brotherhood. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20121211104633/http://www.adl.org/main_International_Affairs/muslim_brotherhood.htm to http://www.adl.org/main_International_Affairs/muslim_brotherhood.htm
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130927053305/http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-08-15/opinions/41412548_1_muslim-brotherhood-human-rights-watch-military-trials to https://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-08-15/opinions/41412548_1_muslim-brotherhood-human-rights-watch-military-trials

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 09:16, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Alleged Muslim Brotherhood-Nazi Germany links

The lead of the page contains the claim that 'In its early years, the Brotherhood was financed and supported by Nazi Germany'. The sources for this claim are clearly biased, questionable and do not provide other evidence other than their unsupported claims in their books. The first reference is a book called Understanding the Volatile and Dangerous Middle East: A Comprehensive Analysis which can only be described as an anti-Arab and Muslim screed. The second reference is a book called The Nazi Connection to Islamic Terrorism: Adolf Hitler and Haj Amin Al-Husseini which is a similar book spouting the same unfounded claims. The third reference is a statement made by the former grand Mufti of Egypt who supported the military coup against the MB government back in 2013 and has a history of making outlandish and unfounded remarks in support of the ruling regime in Egypt. Finally, the WSJ book review provides no evidence of Nazi Germany financing and supporting the Muslim Brotherhood. As such, it is not appropriate to make such contentious claims about an organisation using clearly biased and questionable sources in the lead of the article. If the claim is to be made, then it should at the very most be a side-note and not a central part. Faaraax (talk) 09:03, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

And WND Books, publisher of The Nazi Connection to Islamic Terrorism: Adolf Hitler and Haj Amin Al-Husseini, is among the crappiest sources one can use. The first book is self-published, likewise an unreliable source. nableezy - 00:42, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

All of those sources are crap. Much better is David Motadel, Islam and Nazi Germany's War, which documents some pre-war financial support not noteworthy enough for the lead. Zero^talk 03:19, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Edit war

To begin with, יניב_הורון, the material you are edit-warring over and claiming is "sourced", despite at other instances claiming ONUS requires consensus, is not sourced. This, the reference for right-wing, does not support far-right. The "anti-semitic thinker of Islamic supremacism" line on Qutb was added without a source here, and the source for the sentence, this, does not once say anything close to that. It in fact doesnt contain the phrase semitic or supremacism. This is not a reliable source, the paragraph sourced to this is a WP:COPYVIO as a word-for-word copy of a translation. Can you see the NY Review of Books piece? Can you tell me what in it supports and the seeming impunity given to Islamist radical attacks on Christians and other minorities? Normally Id say both of you are edit-warring and both of you should stop, but you are repeatedly putting in unreferenced crap into an encyclopedia article and claiming that it is sourced. That is, to be blunt, a lie. There is no source for much of what you are inserting in here. And beyond that, the stench of the hypocrisy in reverting per ONUS here, and here, and here while simultaneously violating that requirement here is really just too much to silently watch. nableezy - 00:48, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Found a copy of the NYRB article, it comes close to but doesnt quiet support what was in the article. The rest of it was either outright fabrications or plagiarism. So, since you said that the material you restored was sourced content and then demanded that others read the damn sources, despite twice having specific issues brought up in the edit summaries, before again reverting this time without comment, could you give an honest answer to the demands you gave to others? Did you read the damn sources? nableezy - 05:58, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try to find new sources before reinserting the material.--יניב הורון (Yaniv) (talk) 04:27, 13 June 2018 (UTC)