Talk:Rafale deal controversy

Too many citations in the lead

There's doesn't seem any need to have 13 citations (including 11 for a single sentence) in the lead. Per MOS:LEAD, the lead should basically summarize what comes later in the article; it shouldn't really be the only place where such content is covered unless you're the article is only a few-sentence long stub with a single section. Moreover, citations in the main body of article are preferable to ones in the lead per WP:CITELEAD, except when some really exceptional claims are being made. The article could probably benefit from a "Background" section (between the lead and "Accusations") which goes into a little more detail regarding the events or circumstances which led up to the scandal. Many of the citations could most likely be moved there or to other parts of the article. Too many citations for a single sentence like is done in this article give the impression of WP:BOMBARD and actually detract from the article; 11 citations to sources saying basically the same thing are not needed to support a single sentence, so maybe pick out the best two or three and dump the rest if there's not other use for them. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:24, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

I did it because of this concern -- this was needed initially because article was deleted once and government supporters dislike the article so i want it to be heavily sourced for some time, will remove sources later once article is developed and gets stable.. thanks --Adamstraw99 (talk) 07:51, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

and @Marchjuly:, see the attack on me is already started, one gentleman just said here that i am driven by some 'political agenda' haha, thats why I Am saying please let this article to be heavily sourced as of now... we can remove excess sources from lead once the article is developed and stable .. thank you --Adamstraw99 (talk) 09:09, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

I don't thing what Nick Moyes posted at the Teahouse is an attack at all, but rather some advices being given to you by an experienced editor trying to help you out. You need decide whether your WP:HERE or WP:NOTHERE. If want to help improve Wikipedia, then you need to understand WP:OWN and that other editors will try to improve the article to bring in up to Wikipedia's standards, which sometimes means adding maintenance templates when they're needed or removing content/citations when they're not needed. It might also mean merging or redirecting content when it's in the best interests of Wikipedia to do so.

On the other hand, if you're here to try and set the record straight and make sure everyone knows everything that can possibily be known about this controversly and feel that somehow it's Wikipedia's duty to do so, then you're probably going to find out that this isn't what Wikipedia's about and end up frustrated and disappointed. I'm not posting this to discourage you from further editing or continuing to try and improve the article, but only just to explain how Wikipedia works. Now, you can if you like, request that this article be draftified so that you can continue to work on improving it as a draft.Then, when you think all problems with it have been sorted out, you can submit it for review via WP:AFC. That might be one way of avoiding the article being nominated for deletion if that's something you're really worried about. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:27, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

@Marchjuly:, Thanks for telling me about WP:HERE, WP:NOTHERE and WP:OWN.. You are a true hero ..:-) Adamstraw99 (talk) 11:16, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Copying and pasting content and citations from other Wikipedia articles

@Adamstraw99: If you've copied-and-pasted content directly from other Wikipedia articles or sections of article like Indian MRCA competition#Selection of the Rafale into parts of this article, then you need to make sure you do so in accordance with WP:CWW. Wikipedia's licensing allows content to be reused in a such a way, but proper attribution is required; otherwise, it's technically a copyright violation. There are a couple of ways for you attribute where the content originally came from, so please see WP:RIA for more details.

In addition, if you're going to copy-and-paste citations found in other articles into to this article, you should try and make sure the format being used is consistent throughout the article per WP:CITEVAR and MOS:DATEUNIFY, etc. Keeping things consistent from the start will make it easier to keep them consistent as others edit the article and add more content and citations. My suggestion to you would be to use the "Day Month Year" for all the dates used in the citations per MOS:DATETIES since that seems to be the format commonly used in Indian/British English and get rid of the all numerical format currently used in some of the citations. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:48, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

thanks for the inputs, didn't know this... will work on this --Adamstraw99 (talk) 07:53, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Which speaks to broader question, why this deserves page of it's own, when by it's author's own admission the topic is extension of Indian MoD MMRCA tender? (albeit abandoning legal format of that) Embedding it within MMRCA page (as elaboration of the already existing "Fate of the deal" subsection which already exists there) would remove need to restate context of MMRCA, avoid problem of "Rafale deal controversy" hardly being coherent unique identifier for this topic (when that phrase could apply to many countries' purchase or non-purchase of Rafale jet - I came across this page looking for info re: Belgian non-selection of Rafale), and be natural location to engage with community of editors who are educated on the topic - the avoidance of some hypothetically problematic editors being author's self-admitted rationale for this page. 50.113.24.80 (talk) 00:40, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Lawsuit by ADAG

The article needs to be updated, ADAG has already filed several lawsuits. e.g. on the wire--DBigXrayᗙ 12:40, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

recent edits by DBigXray

DBigXray, I've reverted a series of edits by you, for the following reasons: because you outright removed a considerable amount of well-referenced content, while simultaneously adding cherry-picked content from a primary source (e.g., [1], [2]), and you did so, in most cases, spouting your personal opinions (e.g., [3]), which is disruptive. You've also removed content, which again was sourced from mainstream secondary sources under the false pretext of "misrepresentation", (e.g., [4], [5]) when the content was perfectly representative of the cited sources. While a minuscule proportion of your edits might be productive on the face of it, it doesn't appear feasible to separate the wheat from the chaff at this moment. Please explain them one by one and get consensus. MBlaze Lightning 14:45, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

I am willing to discuss each of my edits. Please explain why you disagree and explain your position so that I can reply to it. merely pointing diffs and accusing is not helpful. --DBigXrayᗙ 14:56, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

I've outlined my concerns succinctly above. You need to realize that it is incumbent upon you to explain your edits and get support if you want them restored. You haven't done so yet, but you still went ahead to put them back in the article, which again is disruptive. Brushing off my concerns with a terse response certainly won't get you anywhere, nor will the WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT behaviour. MBlaze Lightning 15:26, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Instead of having a confrontational attitude against fellow editors that got you banned indefinitely from India pakistan articles by Arbcom [6] why dont you edit in a collaborative manner. This kind of extremist attitude will soon lead you to a site ban if you do not improve. I have explained my edits in the edit summary. you say you have succinctly outlined your concerns, but all I see above is your vitriolic accusations and my diffs above, I need you to explain what you think is the problem with those edits (with evidence for your position) so that I can respond to it. and remember WP:Comment on the content, not the contributor --DBigXrayᗙ 15:34, 23 December 2018 (UTC)