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*'''Oppose.''' As noted above, this is textbook example of our naming conventions (until such time as [[WP:PRECISION|the policy]] is changed). —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 20:15, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
*'''Oppose.''' As noted above, this is textbook example of our naming conventions (until such time as [[WP:PRECISION|the policy]] is changed). —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 20:15, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
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== Requested move 4 December 2018 ==

{{requested move/dated|Red Meat (comic strip)}}

[[:Red Meat]] → {{no redirect|Red Meat (comic strip)}} – I do not think that this comic strip is the clear primary topic for the upper case never mind taking into account the lower case. [[Red Meat (band)]] gets around a 3rd of the views of the comic strip (despite the advantage of getting people who use the upper case) [[https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-20&pages=Red_meat_(disambiguation)|Red_Meat|Red_meat|Red_Meat_(band)|Red_Meat_(Supernatural)|Red_meat_(journalism)|Red_Red_Meat]] [[Red Meat (Supernatural)]] is a redirect so naturally doesn't get as many views as an article at that title since search engines don't land people on redirects. There is also [[Red Meat (film)]] which if created may bring down the views further. [[Red meat]] gets over 71x the views of the comic strip and is known by nearly everyone around the world and is clearly a topic of vast encyclopedic importance compared to the comic strip. A quick search on Google returns articles which use "Red Meat" (capitalized)[https://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/red-meat.html]. I have been on Wikipedia since 2009 and I don't think until 2 or 3 years ago I was even fully aware that WP titles that aren't proper nouns aren't capitalized (apart from the 1st letter). If I was looking for the meat article, I would have searched for "Red Meat". While I think [[WP:DIFCAPS]] can be good in situations where there are 2 well known topics and 1 is a proper noun and 1 isn't. I don't think its good when 1 is well known and 1 is obscure ''and'' we have multiple upper case articles. "Red Meat" should '''redirect to [[Red meat (disambiguation)]]'''. I suggest replacing the DIFCAPS example with [[Iron maiden]]/[[Iron Maiden]], see also [[Wikipedia talk:Article titles#Request for comment: DIFFCAPS|discussion]]. {{Ping|Amakuru|Station1}} who made many comments at the [[Attention Seeker]] [[Talk:Attention Seeker (EP)#Requested move 2 August 2018|RM]]. [[Talk:Grateful dead (folklore)#Requested move 5 March 2018]] was declined where a move based on lower case. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Red">talk</span>]]) 11:44, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

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"Bizarre" "tasteless" "twisted" "dark" "funny" ... that describes pretty much every comic strip featured in alt weeklies and college papers! A little more detail about the strip would be nice (e.g., does it have recurring characters - does it have a standard setting, and if so what is it? etc.) This shouldn't be a fan site. DavidWBrooks 01:22, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)


i think descriptions of the characters would be helpful such as teds fondness of wetsuits, i cant think of anything else off the top of my head at the mo.

Agreed. The list of characters is pointless without explanations. Who is Mister Wally? What is this Ted person like? HonestTom 19:53, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Characters.

I've added some more to the character list (and will probably do more in the future)... but... while I agree there is a place for that information on the page, do we want it there?

Most of the fun is discovering the characters and their behaviour. Reading what is at best a 2 or 3 line summary will only disappoint, and probably won't match the off-beat humour that is Red Meat.

I'm undecided. What say you all? 81.107.198.21 04:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is a online encyclopedia., not an advertisement or review site for any movie, book, or comic strip. The information here should be as complete, but concise as possible. If it's appropriate to have a character list, then any and all recurring characters should be listed. Chrisirwin (talk) 14:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Chrisirwin, for weighing in on a completely unrelated point. Should we be worried about whether or not Wikipedia is an advertisement or review site for any movie, book, or comic strip, we'll know who to ask. You might have missed the question, so here it is again, and a few more : Do we want, or need, a character list? Which characters? All of them? There aren't that many. Just the important ones? Which ones are the important ones? The recurring ones? All but a handful recur. Should the description be dry, or should it (attempt to) distil the humour of the strip? 82.26.18.62 (talk) 21:13, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added several more characters and their descriptions but I saw the other day that the character section was being challenged because it had too much stuff-- damned if we do, damned if we don't... Lisa mynx (talk) 01:45, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have never made an article so I don't really know what I am doing but wouldn't it make sense for someone to make a separate page for the characters? We could leave the main ones like Ted, Earl, Milkman Dan and Karen here but link to another article to list all the other characters... Lisa mynx (talk) 22:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I am going to (try to) make a separate article for the list of characters (pretty much just a copy and paste of what is here already) but for the time being I am not going to change the list as it exists in the main article... Lisa mynx (talk) 09:43, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, it's been a week and the character page is still unchallenged so I am going to remove the character list from this page (leaving just Ted Johnson, Bug Eyed Earl and Milkman Dan). Lisa mynx (talk) 08:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Newspaper listing?

Maybe a list of newspapers that print the comic might be of use.. shows that the comic has some actual followers.

cs302b —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.176.136.25 (talk) 08:46, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Move?

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 11:35, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Red MeatRed Meat (comic strip) – ...or Red Meat (comic). Red meat is a primary topic; not sure about this topic, but it is too indistinctive. --George Ho (talk) 12:09, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. If you google "Red Meat" -wikipedia, the comic strip is the topic for the top three results. Red meat is already primary, at least for the term Red meat. This move wouldn't increase its primariness. Disambiguation by capital letter is specifically provided for in WP:PRECISION, with this article used as an example. The two topics are very different, so a reader can figure out which is which from the context. There is no need to have an ugly parenthetical disambiguator sitting on top of the article. Kauffner (talk) 14:34, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I'm sympathetic to the argument, but it's my opinion that sometimes capitalization is sufficient disambiguation. As this is the ur-example used in our MOS for many many years, I would suggest this nomination be more widely advertised. Powers T 19:34, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. As noted above, this is textbook example of our naming conventions (until such time as the policy is changed). —David Levy 20:15, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Requested move 4 December 2018

Red MeatRed Meat (comic strip) – I do not think that this comic strip is the clear primary topic for the upper case never mind taking into account the lower case. Red Meat (band) gets around a 3rd of the views of the comic strip (despite the advantage of getting people who use the upper case) [[1]] Red Meat (Supernatural) is a redirect so naturally doesn't get as many views as an article at that title since search engines don't land people on redirects. There is also Red Meat (film) which if created may bring down the views further. Red meat gets over 71x the views of the comic strip and is known by nearly everyone around the world and is clearly a topic of vast encyclopedic importance compared to the comic strip. A quick search on Google returns articles which use "Red Meat" (capitalized)[2]. I have been on Wikipedia since 2009 and I don't think until 2 or 3 years ago I was even fully aware that WP titles that aren't proper nouns aren't capitalized (apart from the 1st letter). If I was looking for the meat article, I would have searched for "Red Meat". While I think WP:DIFCAPS can be good in situations where there are 2 well known topics and 1 is a proper noun and 1 isn't. I don't think its good when 1 is well known and 1 is obscure and we have multiple upper case articles. "Red Meat" should redirect to Red meat (disambiguation). I suggest replacing the DIFCAPS example with Iron maiden/Iron Maiden, see also discussion. @Amakuru and Station1: who made many comments at the Attention Seeker RM. Talk:Grateful dead (folklore)#Requested move 5 March 2018 was declined where a move based on lower case. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:44, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]