Talk:Rock and roll

Fashion

Rock and Roll has changed fashion over many decades especially during the 1960s, 1970s, and the 1980s. During these decades is when Rock and Roll really took off and came from underneath the skirt of blues, R&B, and Rockabilly. In the 1960s is when the early rock, girl bands, and the Beatles made it big during this time you would see male teens wearing suits and ties to concerts and the females would wear a nice dress. During the 1970s Led Zeppelin, ACDC, Pink Floyd, and Deep Purple to name a few were extremely popular the hard rock and disco also became popular during the mid to late 1970s which also change the way that people would dress you would see big hair, ripped jeans, bellbottom jeans, and tight shirts. In the 1980s Michael Jackson, Madonna, Duran Duran, and Queen became popular and fashion had again changed you would see leather jackets and the dirt look came out. You may have showered but you would look like you just woke up with your hair messy and clothes are crinkled, big hair was still in though.

style v. structure

The article is all correct about stylistic developments and social influences. But it fails to identify the single 'structural'Italic text characteristic that distinguishes R&R (and its blues and R&B roots): the controlling primacy of the chord(s).

All R&R melodies are mere elaborations of the chords (typically 3), which repeat sequentially. That is the only transcribeable innovation of blues-R&B-R&R. All other stylizations, such as beat and instrumentation, are shared with other musics.

That is, all other musics begin with melodies and then find chords to complement the notes. Thus, ironically, the hit "I Love Rock & Roll" (Joan Jett) is not R&R.

Kirk wilde (talk) 21:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)Kirk wilde, 7/2010

Wikipedia is, essentially, a compendium and summation of information that has already been published in reputable sources. If you can find reliable references for your statements, they can be included in the article. But if they are original research, they cannot. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:22, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Although I can not quote references, I feel the music itself provides evidence for the following: Early Rock and Roll music had an underlying triplet (swing) feel which is the roll, the accentuated beat being the rock. Rock music is in straight 4/4 whereas Rock and Roll has the triplet on each of the 4 beats. Let the listner to early Rock and Roll sing "did-a-lee" on each beat of any early Rock and Roll song to verify this. I feel this is the real and important distinction between Rock music and Rock and Roll. ---- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wezmabini (talk • contribs) 01:48, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree with Kirk. "all other musics begin with melodies and then find chords to complement the notes" is simply incorrect. The 12 bar blues is an obvious example of chord based music, but examples can also be found in almost every genre including classical music. ----

Origin of the name

The article previously was much clearer about the origin of the term. It now says "rock and roll did not acquire its name until the 1950s". It would be more informative to say that there was music called "rock and roll" at least as early as the 1930s but it didn't evolve into something resembling its present form until the 1950s. The 1930s citations were very clear in the previous versions.--61.18.170.65 (talk) 10:51, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, I'd be very interested to see any reliable sources that agree that "there was music called "rock and roll" at least as early as the 1930s". The terms "rocking and rolling" and "rock and roll" were indeed used in lyrics that early, and the music clearly had antecedents in blues, gospel, country and swing music at that time - but that is not at all the same thing as saying that "there was music called "rock and roll" in the 1930s. Most reliable sources state that the music was not called "rock and roll" on a regular basis until Freed started using that term (initially as an alternative term for rhythm and blues) in the early 1950s. See also Origins of rock and roll. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:00, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

More images are needed

This article only has one image. I think there should be more, perhaps of the Beatles or The Rolling Stones.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:33, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I will see what I can do.--SabreBD (talk) 16:36, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Bear in mind, Jeanne, that this is specifically an article about Rock and roll, not Rock music more generally (and PLEASE let's not get into that debate again.....!) and there are remarkably few free images of performers from the period covered in this article. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:39, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I have done my best. Ghmyrtle is right, there are remarkably few contemporary images, and this may be just about all of them. I am working on my laptop (which has a very narrow display) so this might need some revision.--SabreBD (talk) 17:14, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

That looks much better though - excellent! Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

The article looks great now. Nice choice of images!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:34, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

While images enhance articles, perhaps soundbytes would be even more useful in articles about music. Is there provision for this? ------ _____

First Rock and Roll Song?

Could an editor indicate the recording of Hank Williams "Move It On Over" 1947-1948 as the first rock song? When I listen to this recording, I hear the artists "rockin' out". Don't you? ---- N.K. 11-5-11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.56.43 (talk) 17:42, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

That's one of many songs listed and discussed at the article on Origins of rock and roll. Yes, its tune influenced "Rock Around The Clock", but it would be wrong to call it unambiguously "the first rock song". Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:55, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Sister Rosetta Tharpe performance shows all characteristic elements: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnWz2AJ4I7s --Arebenti (talk) 01:19, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Opinion

I feel that this article has too much opinionated language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.8.65 (talk) 17:50, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Such as? Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:52, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Such as the article attributes Rock n Roll to the United States rather than Papua New Guinea. LOL!