User talk:BoboMeowCat

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March 2014

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. ElKevbo (talk) 02:11, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi ElKevbo,I don’t think one reversion, with clear explanation of reversion constitutes an edit war. Also, a Google search turned up references for content added by the other editor, which was deleted due to lack of active references (regarding disability lawsuit), so when have chance will restore and replace dead links with active references.--BoboMeowCat (talk) 13:40, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

A reversion of another editor's initial reversion is by definition an edit war. Please abide by WP:BRD in the future. ElKevbo (talk) 16:53, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

1RR on abortion-related articles

I can't remember if you've been notified of this before, but abortion-related articles are subject to a 1-revert rule (meaning that no editor may make more than one revert, as defined here, within a 24-hour period). This restriction is much stricter than the standard three-revert rule which applies everywhere on Wikipedia. Since you seem committed to making controversial edits to abortion-related articles, including Becky Bell, I wanted you to be aware of this restriction. MastCell ^Talk 19:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi, your edit on Becky Bell appears to be controversial edit. You inexplicably deleted large amounts of reliable sourced info (from The Baltimore Sun, CBS News-60 Minutes, and New York Times). It has been reverted and I hope you will respect revert rule you site above. I do not believe I have made controversial edits but please discuss any such concerns on Becky Bell talk page.--BoboMeowCat (talk) 21:00, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

You seem to have misunderstood my edit. Please look again. You'll see that, far from "inexplicably deleting" the New York Times and 60 Minutes, I've cited them extensively. (If you don't believe me, scroll down to the references section and count the citations). The Baltimore Sun source is an opinion piece authored by a pro-life activist, which I hope you understand is absolutely not an appropriate source for claims of fact. If you're unclear on this, please let me know, because it's a pretty fundamental issue. MastCell ^Talk 01:16, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

The respective revisions are saved and show extensive deletions of information sourced by New York Times, 60 Minutes and The Baltimore Sun. I'm not claiming you didn't then later include information from 2 of those sources in your new revision and I agree it may be entirely appropriate to add additional info from those reliable sources, but think it would be better if you added the additional information without deleting the current properly sourced info. It seems better to first discuss desired deletions of properly sourced info on talk page. Regarding the Baltimore Sun, The Sun isn't the sort of paper to just publish quotes from a supposed interview with the doc who performed Bell's autopsy, without confirming quotes with that Dr first. It's a reliable source.BoboMeowCat (talk) 01:33, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Your description of my edits bears no resemblance to the actual revisions, as best I can tell. I didn't "later" include anything; I made one series of edits over about 1 minute, encapsulated in this diff. Those edits dramatically increased the article's use of the New York Times and 60 Minutes sources. To claim otherwise doesn't make any sense to me; can you elaborate?

Please stop for a minute and read WP:RSOPINION. Then come back and explain to me why you believe that we should use an opinion piece by a partisan anti-abortion activist as a source for facts in our article. I'll wait. MastCell ^Talk 01:42, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

I've read WP:RSOPINION. Please see reply on talk:Becky Bell and continue discussion there. Thanks --BoboMeowCat (talk) 02:37, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring at Becky Bell

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring, as you did at Becky Bell. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.

Your two reverts within 24 hours break the WP:1RR rule on abortion-related articles. The full report is at WP:AN3#User:BoboMeowCat reported by User:MastCell (Result: 24 hours). EdJohnston (talk) 04:36, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

BoboMeowCat (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Hi EdJohnston, Please review. There actually is and was no edit war. The second edit, within the 24 hour period, included content *not* part of the initial revert. My second edit involved deleting content that clearly seems appropriate for deletion, because it was not properly referenced. I respected the one revert rule and left all disputed content as is.--BoboMeowCat (talk) 04:46, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Per below. — Daniel Case (talk) 14:53, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

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The rule for abortion-related articles is two reverts in 24 hours. The definition of a revert is given in WP:Edit war. There is no requirement that the listed reverts be about the same material. Your opinion that the material deserved to be deleted is not a defense against edit warring. (Most edit warriors believe that they are right). What you took out in your second revert is in fact cited to a published book, even if the convenience link to the material no longer works. EdJohnston (talk) 05:12, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

EdJohnston Thanks for the response,

Just to be clear, in cases where there is disputed content, and I'm leaving that disputed content as is, and there is totally separate different content, in the same article, that does not seem properly referenced, I have to wait 24 hrs to delete that different content?

This question stands regardless of content, but in this case, I agree it's published book, but it's an extreme quote, the link no longer works to verify the quote, and it seemed allegations of attempted murder should be backed by neutral reliable source.--BoboMeowCat (talk) 05:27, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

I specifically pointed you to the definition of a revert (here), so I don't understand why you're pleading ignorance now. Reverts can involve "the same or different material". I mean, it says that in a big red box. Did you bother to click on the link and read the policy? Because that's pretty hard to miss if you did. MastCell ^Talk 05:43, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

EdJohnston and MastCell, this is what confuses me. From WP:Edit war "An edit war occurs when editors repeatedly override each other's contributions". The deleted quote was *not* MastCell's contribution. I reverted MastCell's contributions only one time, so believed I was following the 1RR. I did not realize that when content is in dispute, and you're leaving that content as is, that all other content on that page, is off limits for deletion for 24 hours. Is that actually how it works? --BoboMeowCat (talk) 05:55, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Notified of the discretionary sanctions for the topic of abortion

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Template:Z33 See WP:ARBAB for details. EdJohnston (talk) 17:25, 20 April 2014 (UTC)