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Evolutionary musicology merger

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Musilanguage

I'm happy to do the merger, by the way. Uncle G 10:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Robertson article

Tyro nominated Chris Robertson for deletion and it was then speedy userfied by you (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Robertson). I was the orignial creator of the Chris Robertson article - and the article I wrote was about the sqaush player Chris Robertson, a former professional player who was once the world junior champion and ranked No. 3 in the world. I suspect that what happened is that Urbanaddict then changed the article to one about a different Chris Robertson (who may well be himself). I've now recreated the Chris Robertson article in a similar format to when I orginally wrote it. I think it should stay as the squash player is, in my opinion, encyclopedicly notable. But the page may need monitoring to stop Urbanaddict tinkering with it. Zaxem 03:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:There is no deadline

I am proposing a merging with this article and WP:GREAT due to the similarity in content. Agree? Please reply on my talk page.

RFA thanks

File:IMG 3666border cropped.jpg

Thanks so much for your support on my RFA, which closed successfully this morning with a result of (64/3/3). I will be stepping lightly at first trying to make sure I don't mess up too badly using the tools. Any further advice/guidance will be gratefully accepted. I hope I will live up to your trust! NawlinWiki 11:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC) talk contribs[reply]

Redirects

Is there any way to speedy the school and state redirects at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2006 August 19? CaliEd 21:54, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I applied a little rouge. It came as no surprise to find that this user's other work includes creating a disparaging category just for Michael Moore, and work on Hyles-Anderson College. Just zis Guy you know? 22:12, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I made the above redirects, but I never made any "disparaging category just for Michael Moore". Quit making things up about me. You really appear to be acting like a bully. What does Hyles-Anderson College have to do with my redirects? And why do you bring it up? I notice that you have made many edits to that article.

You have also deleted other edits of mine without giving any explanation. --Kalmia 06:56, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OIC, so you made up a disparaging category and purely by coincidence put only Michael Moore in it. That makes all the difference... Just zis Guy you know? 17:42, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You may call it a "disparaging category", but it was really factual whether you liked it or not. I guess you think this is a disparaging article. And it wasn't "just" for Michael Moore. I put many others in there including Jerry Falwell, Dennis Hastert, King Henry VIII, Walter_Hudson and William Howard Taft. Michael Moore wasn't even one of the first to be added, but I guess that is the only one you could read. Why don't you use your admin. tools to go back and look it up. Log is here. --Kalmia 19:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And what about Category:Overweight people? And what was the reliable secondary source for Moore being obese? Just zis Guy you know? 07:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I made Category:Overweight people then figured that Category:Obese people would be a better category, so I made that one and left the other alone. As for sources, I googled for a list and put some people in there and left it for others to finish. --Kalmia 19:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RfA message

		My RfA video message
		Stephen B Streater 08:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ackoz

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ackoz. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ackoz/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ackoz/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 11:53, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bowser

Remember the bad Bowser move you made a few days ago?? Please note that the Nintendo character, not the tanker truck, is the primary meaning. Georgia guy 13:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

False. The fuel tanker meaning predates the Nintendo character by several decades and is probably the predominant meaning worldwide, whatever Nintendo fans may think. Bowser currently redirects to the dab page which is fine. Just zis Guy you know? 07:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lol. --kingboyk 08:40, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support

I just came across the Arbcom case concerning ParalelUni and I would like to offer you my support. Comments like the ones he made have no place in Wikipedia, or in real life and I hope his ban will be endorsed by the Arbcom. Anyway, I hope this won't stop you from editing. If you ever need any help to get through a rough patch let me know. I'd be happy to share my recent Esperanza-ness with you. - Mgm|^(talk) 08:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Countries

What are these two countries?? Georgia guy 17:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Irony

The irony is that if our thousands of investors knew how much time I spent here, I'd probably get the sack. Stephen B Streater 18:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

:o) Just zis Guy you know? 18:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

bolt-free fitting?

Hi. If you're triaging your messages, put this one on the bottom of the pile. I was revising the cage nut article and the phrase "Although most modern rack-mount servers have bolt-free fitting", which first appeared in your revision of 23:09, 14 March 2006, caught my attention. I have never seen, or before now even heard of, any such servers. Before editing it I wanted to check with you and see why you think something is commonplace that I've never heard of. Presumably it has to do with our working in different parts of the business an ocean away from each other, but I'm curious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xela (talk • contribs) 04:40, August 30, 2006 (UTC)

Compaq, Dell and IBM all now supply snap-in rack mount rails which require no bolts for at least some products in their range. Some which do require bolts have the threads attached to the rails. I find that when I build racks these days the only things which require cagenuts are switches and UPS. Just zis Guy you know? 10:49, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While those are certainly three major manufacturers, I think you'll agree that "most" overstates the case. I'll change the page to say "some". And if you happen to come across a web page with a good picture of one of these boltless rail kits, I'd appreciate a pointer. I'm curious to see one.--Alex 03:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Disclaimer pages

Hey; thanks plenty for filling the editprotected on the disclaimer; if you could do the same for the risk, medical, legal and content I'd appreciate it quite much (also remember to repoint the header template and remove the first colon from the category upon each copy; take a glance back at my original post if you forget exactly what they're supposed to be). Thanks again. ~ PseudoSudo 13:38, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, I see; you made the change, just lost track of which page was which. Better. ~ PseudoSudo 13:48, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Last bits! Category in general; category in risk; kill extra newline just under {{Disclaimer-header}} in risk. Should leave them good to go. ~ PseudoSudo 16:49, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ees feex. Just zis Guy you know? 16:52, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You'rethebestthanks! ~ PseudoSudo 16:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cent

Please don't mess like that. You may think it's okay but I think you're just being cute. Aqua should display as a light blue or cyan tint. There's no reason for this standard color to cause you physical pain; if that's the case, I think you should avoid the risk and surf with colors overridden entirely. I'd be more tolerant of your bashing my hard work if you didn't have an excessively cute sig; if your complaint is genuine I think you can select a tint more pleasing to your eye. Please do not rm the functional backgrounds. John Reid 17:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

John, it hurt my eyes, literally caused physical pain. Who asked for coloured backgrounds? Not me. Where's the consensus for that? Who defines them as "functional" backgrounds? The new tint is better, BTW, but even so, where is the backing for this change? Just zis Guy you know? 18:14, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't go on like this. It's very rude. You've invested nothing in the effort; it's in poor taste to come in whinging. You can't possibly be sincere. I'm trying very hard not to be rude myself in return and I'm sure I haven't got much patience left. This is a serious tool for a serious purpose. Don't try to justify yourself; just let it go and so will I. Move along, please; nothing to see here. John Reid 04:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please remain civil and assume good faith. You made a change to a template which is very widely used, it caused me a problem, and now I'm asking some simple questions: where was the debate? what of accessibility issues? This is perfectly reasonable. I have "invested" a massive amount of time and effort in the project, and I am as entitled as anyone to have a view, to express an opinion or to ask a question. Just zis Guy you know? 08:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not much of a diplomat but I don't like to give unintentional offense. You may really not have any idea how offensive you've been; from skimming other comments on your talk page, I think that may be the case. I'll make some comments and you can take them for what they're worth; ignore them or not as you please. I don't want to get into an argument. You pretty much blew any hope I might AGF but I'll give you one more shot.

It's probably unwise to tell anyone, graphic designer or not, that his work "hurts your eyes", even if that is literally true. Social conventions demand that we couch our criticism in more diplomatic terms. "I think that color may be a poor choice." It's usually a good idea to offer alternatives, too. "Wouldn't pale green be better?"

You may or may not have done much on this project but I've never seen you lift a finger around Cent. Courtesy demands that if you feel it absolutely necessary to ram in a stick of harsh criticism, you lubricate it with a dab of recognition. "You've invested a lot of work on <foo> but..." This is not only courtesy; by showing that you know who has been working in a given area, you don't come off as a fool.

Some editors object to sigs such as yours. We don't like images (now, thankfully, forbidden), colors, special characters, clever formatting, and unnecessary links. Some of us object strongly to sigs that display something other than your true username. Policy is drifting toward increasingly tight restrictions on sigs; I have spoken against prohibitions but I feel very strongly about the matter. Every time you sign a comment, you come off badly in my eyes. What makes this worse is that you're commenting on a visual improvement. If you, like I, had a severely plain sig you might have some leverage. You might say, in effect, "I really don't like anything beyond the bare minimum." I don't agree with minimalists but I'm not in the baroque camp, either; I see both sides of the debate. Your comment would seem legitimate, even if only a knee-jerk reaction from a well-defined position. Instead, it just reads like petty whinging.

I feel you became truly annoying, though, only when you started in with Who asked for coloured backgrounds?... Where's the consensus for that? Who defines them as "functional" backgrounds? and I'm still curious as to the basis for this change. To answer your questions directly, I asked myself for colors; no prior consensus existed (nor was required); I define the backgrounds as functional and I can, at need, elaborate; most similar directory templates have similar colored-background headers. All of these answers are more or less obvious to most people and by asking them at all, you force a reader to make an unpleasant choice. Either you, too, know these answers and therefore are simply whinging for the sake of being annoying; or you do not. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, assumed you were of average intelligence, and thus only annoying and not stupid. If you accept the first label you avoid the second; if you keep hammering away in this fashion you invite one to reconsider.

You had one thing to say that rose above whinging. How well does it fit in with accessibility guidelines... If you'd said nothing else, you might have gotten a fair hearing. As it is, I'm moved to comment at WP:ACCESS. For now, I'll just say that if CSS aqua causes you physical pain, you need to go into your browser preferences and force your own text and background colors. I frequently stumble on web pages with unreadable color combinations; this is how I handle them: I force all text to black and all backgrounds to white.

I'm a professional graphic designer; check out the UBX. That certainly doesn't mean I'm always right about graphic design issues but it does mean that people pay me Cash Money to make these kinds of decisions. You have a right to criticize but if you don't show at least some token respect for my years of experience then you will be hard pressed to get a civil reaction. If you don't care how I react, then what's the point of engaging in a discussion? Just make the change and when I revert, file with ArbCom. I'd rather you did talk things over with me but I'd also rather you did so in a civil fashion.

Now, life has taught me to expect little from other people. Some take this kind of heart-to-heart talk well but many ignore it completely or take it the wrong way. I have no idea what you are going to do but I do promise that unless you seem to be taking this well, you are not going to get anything more out of me. What would be the point?

Last suggestion: Find something you really like to do and do it. It's much more fun than telling other people what they're doing wrong. John Reid 13:44, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

John, you are taking this far too personally. I am asking questions, prompted by my previous work on websites for B&Q and Woolworths, as well as being friendly with the webmaster of my local talking newspaper. Your post above appears to assume complete expertise on your part and complete cluelessness on mine. Actually one of the biggest problems we had with B&Q was that the graphic designers initially came up with a layout which did not work for visually impaired users. Just zis Guy you know? 09:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mongo Arb

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/MONGO

Generally once a case is opened, statement by the involved parties stay on the main page and comments by uninvolved parties go on the talk page. Do you consider yourself "involved"? If not, you should probably move your statement. Thatcher131 (talk) 18:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm about to stuff some evidence in. As a party to the ED deletion and reviews, and one who has tolerably civil relations with both Jeff and Mongo, I wish to participate. This has not been a problem in the past for me, but I don't feel strongly one way or the other. Just zis Guy you know? 18:10, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You can be involved if you want to. I was just checking. Thatcher131 (talk) 18:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, OK. Yes, my problem here is that a couple of people I respect - MONGO and Jeff - appear to be engaging in a schoolyard brawl where at least one has a conflict of interest, and I'm concerned that Jeff may end up censured as a result. I do not think this would be a good result for the project. Just zis Guy you know? 18:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you move Bowser?

Bowser (Nintendo), bowser

There was a debate, and a consensus in favor of moving to Bowser already. Why should we have to go through a new consensus because you decided that the previous one was invalid? - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:53, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Because the previous "consensus" seems to have been between Nintendo fans and other Nintendo fans, and because the term bowser is the generic term for mobile tankers, the local term for fuel pumps in Australia and New Zealand, and is the main meaning of the word in dictionaries and treeware encyclopaedias, with around a century of usage to back it up. I said all this already. Having bowser as a dab page is the obvious answer, which is what we do for Hoover. Just zis Guy you know? 08:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, yeah, I forgot, Nintendo fans' opinions are of no worth. And will you stop using a dictionary entry? The dictionary covers NO FICTIONAL CHARACTERS WHATSOEVER. That is a horrible argument that holds no weight, and is essentially saying that being real is more important than being more deserving of the main article title.

Now, see - apparently, it is not agreed that it is the "right thing to do". Yes, I know, it's just Nintendo fans, and they're less worthy of being Wikipedians than Almighty You, but hey, it's always possible that you might stop thinking that you own Wikipedia. - A Link to the Past (talk) 08:31, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's not that Nintendo fans' opinions are of no worth, it's more that you are completely ignoring the established usage in favour of a neologistic one which is hardly a surprise given that all the discussion thus far apears to have been on Nintendo-related pages, there has been precious little input from anyone else. Having bowser as a dab page is a perfectly reasonable solution. I'm not insisting on the century-old term being at bowser, so I fail to see why you are insisting on the Nintendo usage being there, especially since I have fixed not only the links but also the links and double redirects which were broken by the move last year. Please do go back and read Steel's comments. Just zis Guy you know? 08:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This type of discussion comes up frequently when people with a particular narrow area of interest meet up on the relevant Wikipedia article. Lots of people agree with JzG's decision on this one. This encyclopaedia is written in a timeless manner. So consider some time in the future - Nintendo characters will have been long forgotten, but the more general meaning will still be in use. Stephen B Streater 08:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Correct. And ask the average person on the street - not the technophile average we have on Wikipedia - and they won't give you "nintendo" as the meaning of Bowser. Indeed, I think having a dab page there is actually generous, as far as I'm concerned the word has a primary meaning which should be in that slot - and it's nothing to do with Nintendo! --kingboyk 08:50, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Even if Nintendo is not forgotten in time, I suggest that historical perspective will not elevate the arch-enemy of the Mario brothers to the status of an everyday household word, which bowser is in Australia, with mainstream news reports like "Are Australian drivers being ripped off at the bowser?". But the most compelling arguemnt for me is that the term is a genericised trademark, like hoover or armco. Just zis Guy you know? 08:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Or maybe, JUST maybe, they, like the rest of the people with the exception of a minority of people, DISAGREE ON THE MATTER. Christ, can't it be that they have their own opinions, instead of them being a bunch of stupid Nintendo fans voting to move "kuz dey luv bowser"? Just because you got to the vote late does not mean you can say that it doesn't count. Are you going to do that with every article that you're upset you didn't get to speak your mind in? Wait for people who get a consensus, and leave it at Bowser where it was in the first place.

And maybe - JUST MAYBE - we think that because the video game character is the most notable and recognizable usage of the word Bowser? You argue that being more recognizable in Australia as something other than Bowser is more important than the fact that across the world, Bowser is a video game character, not some gas crap in Australia.

And to you two guys - how the Hell is video gaming a narror interest? Christ, again with you people! At what point does being real overpower the fact that the fictional one is more notable?! Christ! It's not even the debate, it's you being an ass and deciding a consensus is invalid because you happen to think you're the God of Wikipedia. You can't freaking say you disagree with a keep result in an AfD and delete it, so why the Hell can you decide that the consensus is invalid because you weren't a part of it?!

Cliff's notes: You're an elitist ass, and the consensus was valid, and you should be blocked for not even bothering to have a discussion before you decided that your way was the only way. I wish Wikipedia would have less of you people.- A Link to the Past (talk)

Lol, it's not wise to rant and rave like this on an admin's talk page - see WP:CIVIL. Wikipedia is not a democracy. We don't have to respect "votes", only arguments and the resultant consensus. As Guy pointed out to you, the "vote" was held amongst editors of the Nintendo page so you're not a representative sample. You now have 3 Wikipedians with no special interest telling you they disagree. ~~If you still maintain that the Nintendo article should be at Bowser you can take it to Wikipedia:Requested moves where the wider community can discuss it.~~ On that note, please refrain from cussing or there will indeed be a block issued - and it will be you my friend that gets it. --kingboyk 09:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is true. But once again we have the asserted "fact" that the Nintendo usage is more notable. No credible evidence has yet been advanced to support that. Much evidence has been advanced to contradict it. Just zis Guy you know? 09:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, Mario goes straight to the plumber. I was kind of surprised that Bowser went straight to the Koopa, but yeah. --badlydrawnjeff talk 10:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy to believe that if you asked a random sample of people what Mario meant they's either say "don't know" or reference the video game. If you asked the same random sample what bowser meant, I think you'd not find anything like as many who would reference the character in the video games. It's possible to have heard of Mario and never played it; that would include in a lot of parents, for example. To have heard of individual characters without having played the game is less likely. Also, there is no dictionary definition of Mario (other than as a proper noun). So: I think we agree. Where's the bunting? :-) Just zis Guy you know? 10:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hah! But yeah, pretty much. --badlydrawnjeff talk 11:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I like to think I'm on the technical side of average, and "Mario" to me is either an Italian name or a computer game. Bowser is a tank or tanker of some description. HTH! ;) BTW, what's bunting? --kingboyk 11:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A string of small flags used to decorate streets and large structures at times of particular celebration, m'lud. Do we have an article on bunting? Aha! I perceive that we do. Just zis Guy you know? 11:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed that per the lead of the article, the character's name is actually King Bowser Koopa. Shouldn't the article live there? --kingboyk 11:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Haven't a clue, mate. If it should then I will do the needful, it will be easy now all links are consistent. Just zis Guy you know? 11:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pissed off at the group, Just zis Guy. It is nothing personal. I do not have anything against you. It's your group of people, elitists. I bring up the fact that Mario is the biggest icon in gaming and highly notable all around the world (and by extension Bowser, also known as King Koopa), and you tell me that's not good enough, and your only arguments are awful. You argue that because Bowser appears in the dictionary as the real-life usages and not the fictional character, that they're more notable, which is more an argument that being real is more important than being more notable. And then the fact that it's likely more notable in Australia, yet you fail to understand that the Mario franchise is huge in Australia, as it is in Europe, North America, Asia, etc. While you have select notability and being real, I have worldwide notability. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to be blunt but you haven't established much notability at all. You've made some very broad, sweeping comments about the Mario series in general, but (amongst other things), you haven't said anything about how that applies to Bowser. By association or extension isn't good enough, I'm afraid. Mario may well be a well known name, but that doesn't automatically mean that one of his antagonists is equally as well known, which is what you're saying. -- Steel 19:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to be blunt, but pointing out that Bowser isn't in the dictionary is an even worse argument. Bowser appears at the end of world 1 (consisting of four levels) in SMB, the best selling game ever made. In all likelyhood, people will have noticed him. Your arguments are that he doesn't appear in the dictionary (an argument that attacks his fictional status, not his notability) and that in certain regions, Bowser is known as gas pumps or something. But Mario is a huge franchise in Asia, Europe, North America and Australia. The majority of people who have played a Mario game likely will have heard of King Koopa or Bowser, but people in NA won't know what a bowser is in reference to a gas pump, neither will people in the EU. - A Link to the Past (talk) 19:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We're not talking about the Mario series, we're talking about one of many characters within it. You say that Bowser is very well known, but a Google search says otherwise. The fuel pump thing is used in everyday language, and not just in Australia.
One thing I would like to emphasise is that we're not suggesting that the fuel pump term is given the Bowser page. We're suggesting that Bowser is made a disambiguation, where each of the many uses of the word are given an entry. You are acting as though we're trying to remove all mention of the Mario character from the entire encyclopedia. -- Steel 19:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's not even that the debate is going on. You know why I am so pissed? It's because Just zis Guy is such an asshole by looking at a consensus and deciding it's invalid because he couldn't input his opinion! I've already dealt with another case of assholery where someone decided to ignore a keep result in an AfD and turned it into a redirect. I am so sick of people like you (not Steel) deciding that they have the right to ignore all rules and be completely disrespectful to people who disagree with them. I'm not showing you any respect because you've chosen to not respect others, and you thusly do not deserve any in return.

Additionally, Bowser (Nintendo) was at Bowser in the first place. Why the Hell should we have to jump through hoops to change it back? If you want to make a change, then you should freaking discuss it, not decide that Nintendo fans are too stupid to acknowledge that Bowser is the name given to a gas pump. The fact of the matter is that no only do more people probably know of Bowser or King Koopa as the video game character based on the fact that most people likely do not even know much about the gas pipes in the first place, but I assure you that there are more people who are going to search for Bowser looking for the video game character on Wikipedia, not search for a gas pump or some aviation thing. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And you, JzG, you are such a hypocrite. you decide that the move of Bowser (Nintendo) to Bowser is invalid based on the fact that you and your buddies couldn't chime in, but you then turn around and say that there cannot be an overturning of an AfD despite there being a good reason to do so, based on the fact that I was not able to present an argument, an argument which convinved a few people who voted delete to then vote keep. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:18, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Guy, please note that I have blocked A Link to the Past (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) for 24 hours. I gave a gentle warning to refrain from incivility and maintain a collegiate atmosphere at penalty of such a block, to which he responded with incivility on my talk page. Please note also that I've temporarily protected the two pages in question from moves. --kingboyk 08:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See, that is what I'm talking about. You're as biased as anyone possibly could be! You're on his side, and you attempt to keep the article how you see fit, not how the majority sees fit. It was at Bowser originally, why should we have to try to get it put back? Why shouldn't he have to discuss it? Why shouldn't it be moved back to Bowser, protected and then unprotected when a decision has been made? Why did you decide to protect in favor of one party (coincidentally, the party that you are a part of) as opposed to the opposing party? - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:04, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's not about sides, it's about writing an encyclopaedia, and in this case specifically about writing an encyclopaedia which reflects the wider world, rather than the narrow locus of geek obsessions. Just zis Guy you know? 08:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That came off as kind of nasty... RN 08:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take your word for it; it was not meant as such (I am a self-identified geek, after all). I will confess to a degree of irritation at the use of proof by assertion in this case. Multiple credible references were provided for the longer-standing usage, and not one single reference showing that Nintendo is unambiguously the most common. Along the way I was accused by this and at least one other user of vandalism, which is plainly false since even if you disagree with it there can't be much doubt of good faith, given the reasons advanced then and now. And when the argument was clearly going against him, A Link to the Past responded by becoming more aggressive and often outright rude. Every now and then we all need to turn off the computer and remember that the world continues to exist outside. This is one of those cases. Just zis Guy you know? 08:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, I came off as nasty whenever you declared nothing wrong with what you did, which is the most laughable notion I've heard in a while. And of course, to a lesser extent, what you did right there - said we had absolutely no evidence while you have a treasure trove. You have a Google search, and I have the fact that Mario is a huge franchise, both in the 80's, 90's and the new millennium. What makes you think this doesn't say anything about Bowser's notability? People who watch the movie see King Koopa, people who watch the cartoon or read the comics see King Koopa. And people who played SMB saw King Koopa four levels in. Just because it does not prove it for absolute fact does not mean it cannot be used for him. So, if you drop your crappy attitude, you'll have much less conflict. And no, my attitude isn't crappy, it's "assholey". What you do is subtly attack people buy disrespecting him. - A Link to the Past (talk) 15:55, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. I always try to avoid getting into arguments with people with that much spare time. But I think there's consensus to move the page to King Bowser Koopa. If you could do the honours? Thanks, Ben Aveling 08:52, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hrm, now I that I am catching up on this debate it doesn't seem that bad compared to some of the other comments :(. Sorry you got involved in such an unfortunate situation... perhaps one way to look at it is that is can be very hard for someone to change their view. Personally, I agreed with the non-disambig side until I took a calm look at the debate a while ago on the grounds that it was popular usage, and it is completely understandable to me why someone would still think the other way, despite the lack of evidence. It can be hard to change one's mind without something that is completely obvious... RN 09:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BLP concerns

Hello JzG, recalling how you were relative to the Lance Armstrong article I was wondering if you could take a look at this BLP noticeboard discussion? Thanks. (→Netscott) 01:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moot, since it's now archived. You did piss SlimVirgin off, though, which is probably not too smart. Just zis Guy you know? 08:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Potters House

That's fine, but what about Feldspar and his harrasment, is there somewhere I can get help? Please also state exactly whaere I am off, because feldspar accused me of manipulating the deletion vote and also said I was a liar. Potters house 14:49, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that you have annoyed Antaeus by your part in the incessant recreation of what is largely a vanity article on Johnny Lee Clary, and by your argufying, and by your rather strong and evident biases, but the comment which caught my eye was actually your unsigned comment to User:Ohconfucius. Not the first time you have used ad-hominem in a deletion debate, either. Absent good and credible evidence of bad faith (of which you present none), you must take all comments - delete or keep - at face value. Just zis Guy you know? 14:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but I don't speak Latin. I am not sure what you are trying to say. I guess that it means you are having a go at me because I added to someones post? I didn't know you couldn't do that. Feldspar was adding at the bottom of many posts, so I just thought that I could?

Ok I just noticed this -

This one seems like a deletion bot see: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Ohconfucius Also - why the POV? Johnny's Ego has nothing to do with it. It is not a case of whether you like the man or not but an examination of fact - Is he notable? Yes! Why put delete if you really mean merge? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Potters house (talk • contribs)

Sorry, I'm going to trim and interleave here, as there are two separate threads to this.

You are correct in thinking that I warned you because you accused another editor of being a deletion-bot. Ad-hominem is a sufficiently common expression that its use does not assume familiarity with Latin (I have no Latin myself either). So: please don't do that, whatever your personal issues with any other editor. Just zis Guy you know? 15:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He called me a liar basically and claimed that I would go as far as decieving people to get votes. I am a Christian and aspiring to be a minister, this persons Job is to discredit ministers! I am not making this up! See Rick Ross They make 2500 -5000 dollars each time a person leaves a cult and needs "deprograming."

Sorry if the about seems off base but this guy has been on my back for months now and no one cares. I try to mediate but he refuses. Because I can't speak the Wiki language yet he wins over me and gets everyone off side. Although you have stated that it is POV etc and against wiki policy, did you even look at the evidence I provided? Is there such a thing as wiki stalking or wiki bullying? Do you even care? Potters house 15:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well now. If I didn't care, why would I be warning you about making baseless accusations against another editor? If you have an issue with Antaeus, the correct response is an RfC, citing evidence (in diff form). Reference to your aspiraitons for ministry will not, I'm afraid, cut much ice: we have had bad experiences of people who come here on a Mission. Just zis Guy you know? 15:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nick, you claim that you have not been lying to people here on Wikipedia. You also just claimed that you had some sort of knowledge that I had a "Job [sic] ... to discredit ministers!" Now, can you please explain what evidence you have of this alleged job of mine? Can you please spell out for us what proof you had in hand before you launched that smear on my reputation, asserting it as fact? Because if you in fact have no evidence whatsoever that this is the case, but asserted this claim anyways, that is in fact what we call a lie. And you are, indeed, a liar. -- Antaeus Feldspar 16:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I got you mixed up with Tilman who is basically a ross crony like yourself, (be honest). I was wrong like you also were wrong about me and that I was Kev. Shake hands and make up? Potters house 09:35, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

... I am dumbfounded. In one sentence you not only launch yet another unsupported accusation against me, compounding it with an admonition to "be honest" -- as if you had caught me in lie after lie, rather than vice-versa. And then two sentences later you want to "shake hands and make up?" -- Antaeus Feldspar 19:46, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

International Council for Accrediting Alternate and Theological Studies

Crazy nut is talking about his lawyer and adding uncited things about this accreditation mill.[1] And while this person is trying to pass off this accreditation mill as real, see what he did at the criticism of alternative medicine.[2]

Mitch Modeleski

There has been no activity on the talk page for over a month, and there's little precedant for keeping articles protected indefinitely without WP:OFFICE action. I'm tempted to unprotect, but I'll wait another week or so. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 18:32, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

More fake med schools on wikipedia

Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/UHSA The purportents of this seem to be role accounts.

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Vivaldi

Can we move to close the Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Vivaldi? This user has continual removed material. Arbusto 20:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User claims that I "literally made hundreds of such inclusions of defamation into the articles. "[3] These personal attacks need to be ended. Arbusto 22:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Blanking

Please do not blank messages on Wikipedia talk pages without a reason. It is considered vandalism. Thank you. - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:26, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Very droll. Actually I clicked one too many "rollback" links when undoing your reversion of my link fixing on Bowser (Nintendo). Just zis Guy you know? 08:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Long-Overdue RfA Thanks from Alphachimp

Thanks for your support in my not-so-recent RfA, which was successful with a an overwhelmingly flattering and deeply humbling total of 138/2/2 (putting me #10 on the RfA WP:100). I guess infinite monkey theorem has been officially proven. Chimps really can get somewhere on Wikipedia.

With new buttons come great responsibility, and I'll try my best to live up to your expectations. If you need assistance with something, don't hesitate to swing by my talk page or email me (trust me, I do respond :)). The same goes for any complaints or comments in regard to my administrative actions. Remember, I'm here for you.

(Thanks go to Blnguyen for the incredible photo to the right.) alphaChimp ^laudare 01:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neologism

Winter holiday season (AfD discussion)

A concept used by U.S. Supreme Court Justices in their decisions for County of Allegheny v. ACLU can hardly be called a neologism. (You can read Blackmun's opinion here, for example.) Supreme Court Justices don't have a reputation for coining neologisms. ☺ Uncle G 11:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It rather depends on who else has used it, I'd say. Just zis Guy you know? 11:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Indeed. From what I found when I went looking for sources, that would appear to be ... <cough> ... a fair number of people. ☺ Uncle G 14:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't stop it being a neologism, mind... ;-) Guy 15:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gastrich

Use Your Naugin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Hit his diploma mill article and two of my AfDs. See: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Naugle and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Underwood. Arbusto 16:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Expect socks to come out of the woodwork for my recent AfDs of old Gastrich-cruft. And check out this never closed AfD from Jan. 2005. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andy Stanley. Arbusto 02:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

External links - chabad.org and others

As you say, some are valid but many are linkspam. I put up a list of User:Tom harrison/Pages with questionable external links. If I figure out how to do it, I'll put up a page of Sites with over 200 links. Beyond that, what to do? We could say that any website to which we give that many links should have its own article, and then we link pages to that article instead of to the site. We could globally add a nofollow tag to every occurance after the first fifty, or maybe tag them as nowiki. Thoughts? Tom Harrison ^Talk 17:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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 {{vandal|Use Your Naugin}} Hit his diploma mill article and two of my AfDs. See: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Naugle]] and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Underwood]]. [[User:Arbustoo|Arbusto]] 16:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
+:Expect socks to come out of the woodwork for my recent AfDs of old Gastrich-cruft. And check out this never closed AfD from Jan. 2005. [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andy Stanley]]. [[User:Arbustoo|Arbusto]] 02:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
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