User talk:DrFleischman

Welcome

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Newt Gingrich introduction

Hi Nstrauss, my name is Joe DeSantis, and I am the communications director for Newt Gingrich's presidential campaign. I see that earlier this month you had made an attempt to clean up the introduction to Newt's article. It is certainly better now than then, but there are clearly still issues remaining, and I've posted some suggestions on Newt's discussion page. Would you consider returning to the discussion and perhaps making such changes if you agree with them? If so, I would certainly appreciate it. Thank you, Joedesantis (talk) 15:49, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

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Campaign for "santorum" neologism

Hi,
I can only interpret your recent edit to Campaign for "santorum" neologism as an attempt to further the visibility of the neologism at Google. Don't do that. If you have arguments why you think the made-up definition should be at the very top of the article, feel free to lay them out at the talk page of the article.
Amalthea 19:52, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, just did that. I would add, please assume good faith. --Nstrauss (talk) 19:55, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I saw, we should probably keep it there. But I have trouble assuming good faith here, that was too blatant, and you were certainly aware that putting the quote there would make it visible when next indexed by search engines. Amalthea 20:00, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

No, I wasn't aware of that. Regardless, you should still assume good faith. If you would like more context please see my position on the Rick Santorum talk page. --Nstrauss (talk) 21:05, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

• On a related matter, I just thought you should know that with this edit, User:Youreallycan improperly removed the link to Savage's site from a comment by you on the talkpage.. (and in a sneaky way, judging from the incomplete edit summary only referring to the archive maneuvering, itself also improper). I've reverted it and remarked on it immediately afterwards and then in a new section on editing others' comments. El duderino (talk) 23:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

He's removed it again. As did another editor when I reverted. El duderino (talk) 00:03, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. --Nstrauss (talk) 17:29, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Santorum wars and WP:TPO

Youreallycan, it recently came to my attention that with this edit you censored a legitimate comment I made on a talk page. Please explain three things:

1. Am I correct that you're trying to avoid adding to the Googlebomb effect? Do you know a link from a WP talk page to to spreadingsantorum.com adds to the Googlebomb effect? If so, how do you know?
2. How did your edit serve to resolve the issue being discussed?
3. How was your edit not a WP:TPO violation?

Thanks, Nstrauss (talk) 17:41, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure about this historic, best of luck to you anyway. Youreallycan 17:54, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

DOMA

Thanks for your kind words. I thought I would write this advice here, since it's more about "approach". When you cite a standard like UNDUE, you should be able to make your case using the language found there. When you switch to you own language -- namely, "talking point" -- you leave the careful language of the standard behind. The closer you stay to the language of the guideline you believe is being violated, the more convincing your case will be. (Though I really don't believe it would have helped you in this instance, I've found that to be the case.) Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 17:25, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I hear you and agree. I've looked through the language of the policies several times and I don't see anything specific that I can point to. But I don't think that's the end of it, since we should try to be true to the spirit of the policies. There are cases that fall between the cracks of the policies as strictly written; I don't believe that we can dismiss them out of hand. And I certainly don't think it's a basis for removing a POV tag preemptively. --Nstrauss (talk) 18:11, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

DRN tip

Hi. Regarding the Dispute Resolution case you filed at DRN - Rassumssen Reports: DRN works best to resolve specific content issues. Your opening statement goes into some depth about other editors, and how an admin closed a discussion to early. I'd suggest that you re-state your opening statement and replace all the user-focused information with content-focused issues. What was the material you wanted to add/remove from the article? Why should it be added/removed? What were the objections of the other editors? What WP policies support your position? The DRN will be much more successful, for everyone, if you focus on the content issues and refrain from discussing behavior or conduct of other editors. If you want any help, let me know. --Noleander (talk) 22:55, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate what you're saying but I don't appreciate you trying to rut the discussion into something it's not intended to be. I only have a complaint about Beeblebrox's conduct and I thought I made that very clear in the opening statement. ("I want to be clear, I'm not seeking immediate resolution of the underlying substantive discussion at Talk:Rasmussen_Reports. All I want is for the administrative decision to close the discussion to be reversed so that the underlying discussion can run its course.") I'm no expert on such matters, but if you thought I did something wrong then I would have appreciated it if you had raised the issue as a question and allowed me to respond before reconfiguring the parties. As I wrote, the only reason I raised the issue in WP:DRN was because an administrator at WP:AN/I told me to. --Nstrauss (talk) 03:19, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem ... sorry if I conflicted with your goals. As you can see from the DRN discussion, DRN is only for the content issues like wording of the lead. DRN is not appropriate for the admin-closing issue you were focusing on. I just assumed that your ultimate goal was trying to improve the lead of that article, so I was helping DRN address that issue. But if you want to focus on the admin's closure, you should probably move the discussion to the WP:ANI forum (although I'm 99% sure that nothing will come of it). Cheers. --Noleander (talk) 19:43, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

... also, if you don't plan on using the DRN discussion to talk about the content issue (the lead wording) could you please post a note in that DRN case stating that fact? That way the DRN case can be closed. Thanks. --Noleander (talk) 20:11, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Mother Jones

I edited in the word 'liberal' into it because it is indeed a well-known liberal news magazine, plus it is listed under Wiki's category of: Modern liberal American magazines

I only felt it was relevant, then, to include it within the first sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.214.33.188 (talk) 17:19, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Free advice to take or leave as you please

I realize you are probably sick of hearing from me, but I am dropping by here to offer you some advice. Open your mind to the possibility that the community doesn't agree with you. It happens. I've been here a long time, made over 60,000 edits, gained several advanced positions, met Wikipedians in person at Wikimania, and yet as recently as last week seen a deletion nomination of mine that I thought was perfectly reasonable get rejected. It happens. It is how one deals with their idea being rejected that makes all the difference. I've seen this before. Actually another time I ran into a similar refusal to accept that consensus was against an idea another user posted this:

P: Hey guys I have an idea! blahblahblah

Everyone else: this is a terrible idea because of XYZ

P: Oh good, now we're having a discussion!

E: No we're not. This idea is awful. It is rejected.

P: Awesome, now that we're discussing this, what do you think of $totally_minor_change?

E: No, we've rejected your idea.

P: I'm so glad we're having such a great discussion about this. Anyway, let's implement my idea!

E: No, your idea has been unanimously rejected.

P: You're right, this is such a great conversation about this idea. Don't you just love it?

E: Facepalm

and so on, ad infinitum

This is exactly how you are behaving with regard to your proposed change to the lead of Rassmussen Reports. Worse actually, since in between the two discussions you made a stink on four or five different noticeboards about the close of the first discussion, and somehow didn't realize that the reason nothing came of it was that you were complaining about something that nobody else perceived as a problem.

And now you are complaining that I have repeated the "drop the stick" argument too many times. Can you honestly not see the irony there?

None of the other participants can see why it is that you still you do not understand that your proposed change has been rejected. And really, it is such a small change that it is puzzling to see this obsessive desire to keep discussing it after it has been rejected. The content is already in the article, just not in the lead. And therein lies the problem. Every single user besides you who has participated in the discussion has felt that it lends undue weight to place it in the lead. Your reason for insisting that it does belong in the lead is..... is.... yeah nobody knows what it is. You have never actually refuted the argument that it lends undue weight to place it in the lead. So, when I asked you before why you wanted this in there so bad that was a legitimate question. There must be some reason, but nobody but you knows what it is. Since you are either unwilling or unable to provide it, nobody is persuaded by it and your idea is rejected.

It's really not that big of a deal unless you choose to make a big deal out of it. So I will say this for the last time and will not be commenting further on the RR talk page: Your idea has been rejected.Literally nobody agrees with it. This is not a judgement on you as a person, it is a comment only on the merits of your proposed change. The best thing you can do, for Wikipedia and for yourself, is to accept that fact and move on to some other matter. Best of luck in your future endeavors. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:30, 24 September 2012 (UTC)