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Restriction appeal

A bit more than a year ago I agreed to certain editing restrictions with the possibility of the restrictions being lifted by appeal after a year. To whom should I make such an appeal?--John Foxe (talk) 20:36, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You could post at WP:AN asking for one or both of your restrictions to be lifted. In your appeal, it helps if you will link to the original edit-warring complaint, which is at WP:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive192#User:John Foxe reported by User:ARTEST4ECHO (Result: Restriction). The two restrictions were agreed to as conditions for your unblock. I do not know if you have participated on talk pages regarding Mormonism during the past year, but if so, you could give some examples to show that your editing has not been a problem. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 21:11, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I've done that.--John Foxe (talk) 23:52, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
So, what happens on that board? Do administrators eventually get around to closing all those discussions and making decisions even after the pages have been archived?--John Foxe (talk) 22:14, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Try posting again at WP:AN with a link to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive252#Restriction appeal. Ask for an uninvolved admin to close the discussion and state the result. EdJohnston (talk) 22:33, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I appreciate your assistance.--John Foxe (talk) 14:28, 30 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

' for ع in article titles

I don't know that I'm recommending it as such, but this was a practical reality on Wikipedia for several years (and to some extent still today), and I'm not sure that formal policy has turned against it... AnonMoos (talk) 08:31, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

response to your comment. I am of the opinion (formalized in some portions of the geonaming guidelines) that diacritics that are mere artifacts of "scholarly" transliteration be omitted from all geographic article titles. This sometimes creates titles that may not evoke immediate propo\er pronunciation (for example, Persian پائین, meaning "lower", often scholarly transliterated as Pā’īn and pronounced Paw-Yeen, comes out as "Pain" in article titles which an average English-language reader would assume is pronounced rhyming with Spain). That said, for biographies, if an individual uses them in his/her personal English-language name, well I would respect that. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 14:26, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1991 Soviet coup d'état attempt RM discussion

I would like to ask you to reconsider on this, to at least relist the discussion. I feel the exchange between Maurice07 and Yerevanci emphasizes the issue. The former said No logical reason. This is not at all clear. In August, how many coup has occurred in the world?, to which the latter replied, None of them is refereed to as "August Coup". Exactly. IIO, and the IP that agreed with him, didn't explain what part of WP:CRITERIA is violated by the name "August Coup" and Maurice07 argued that the title shouldn't be called August Coup because someone looking for that title, as a proper noun, might be looking for one of the other coups in August. I feel there is insufficient information to give their points equal weight. The requestor at least provided some evidence to suggest that the name August Coup is the common name for the revolution. That some editors, who may not have heard of the revolution, feel the proposed title isn't good enough because it doesn't give enough information about what the subject is, even though it's called that and even though ample detail is provided in the body, seems to run counter to article naming guidelines. It sounds equivalent to seeing the name Arab Spring and saying that springtime comes every year in the Arab world, so you need the word revolution to clarify. It just doesn't make sense. At least give them time to elaborate, if the can. -- tariqabjotu 21:17, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll undo my closure, but I see this kind of disagreement often in move discussions. One school of thought is that the name should be as terse as possible, while the other school wants the name to be informative. The disadvantage of using a catchphrase as a name is that people who don't know the catchphrase won't get there. The evidence given in the discussion shows only that, if a catchphrase is going to be used, this one is the best. And I have to admit that I didn't recognize 'August coup' myself. EdJohnston (talk) 22:16, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I posted this on the article talk page, but the comparison between Google Books search results is fundamentally flawed. "August Coup" is a proper noun. When searching, you should use quotes around the term. "1991 Soviet coup d'état attempt" is a descriptive name. When searching, it shouldn't be put in quotes. I don't know what the best name is for the article, but the methodology in the original request is flawed. You cannot compare search results using quotes around a proper noun with search results using quotes around a descriptive name. I'm not sure what a fair methodology would be. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 22:51, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Paris area template dispute

Yes, I lost it yesterday, and it's rare that I ever 'get personal', but I felt (then) that I had to say something about that day's behavior, and as I'm sure you understand, the dispute goes beyond the template. Part of the ire came out of the fatigue of repetition - have a look at the Paris article's talk page. Actually that last reference is where a lot of the frustration came from: I shouldn't ~have~ to give you lengthy explanations about the whys or 'who did's or whats of who's right in the subject we're dealing with, but when one involves new contributors in the dispute (namely admins) who can't tell which one of us is right or not (and they don't even have to even care)… aaaargh. You were right to criticize my message, I regret that now that the anger has passed.

I also answered you on my talk page, so if you have a reply, leave it where you like and we'll continue the conversation there. THEPROMENADER 05:29, 30 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that the Administrators' Noticeboard discussion hasn't gotten any attention at all; I've also noticed that, in the past, Administrators in general have tended to avoid all Paris-based disputes like the plague. Is there some reason for this? THEPROMENADER 07:29, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You could try to get an admin to close the debate about images at Talk:Paris. The only problem would be that the discussion is not well-focused on a small number of questions. If you set up a proper WP:Request for comment it would be easier for an admin to close. Since User:Dr. Blofeld is very experienced and he is already active on the page you might see if he has any suggestions for how to close the discussion. EdJohnston (talk) 15:16, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'll get in touch with him. True that a few (the fellow suggested included) have taken advantage of the 'meatpuppeting' to complain about other things - they do perhaps have cause to complain, but complaining there just complicated the issue for sure. I'm way to 'wordy' for closure (I tend to call out 'distraction' arguments (when patently false) that should better be ignored), so perhaps it would be better if someone else less prone to prolonging 'read fatigue' took care of it. User:Jeppiz is quite good at that as well. Thanks. THEPROMENADER 15:26, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Seamus Heaney

I think you better watch the page and surely the 1RR from Troubles applies here, there are editors who have broken it it more than twice already in the last few hours, the Co. Londonderry-Derry crap was inserted in the lede, but an IP removed (good idea IMO it prevents unneccessary warring). I think it needs full protection and some blocks to be handed out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SiulMoGra (talk • contribs) 03:23, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've added this page to my watchlist. It seems that User:Drmies is already working there. When someone has recently died you expect a lot of activity, and sometimes you get some good contributions. Full protection would prevent that. EdJohnston (talk) 03:45, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ha, but this user is about to go to bed. Thanks for the namedrop; please do keep an eye on it. Yes, I learned tonight about WP:LDERRY. I'll have a quick look but then I'm off--thanks Ed, and good luck with it. Earth, receive an honoured guest... Drmies (talk) 04:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've blocked SiulMoGra for being what appears to be another sock (now counting 18 from Gruesome Foursome since July). There is no reason for users to be evading scrutiny in an area under such a high level probation as WP:TROUBLES--Cailil talk 11:14, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Epiphone

I don't think he can simply be unblocked, since the username is a breach of our policies on using corporate titles as usernames anyway. I would support allowing him to create a new account with an acceptable name, although he hasn't requested a new name yet as far as I can see. He appears to have learned from his experience, so we will have to see how it goes. I'm away for the weekend, starting in about an hour, so I'm happy for you to do what you think is best Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:37, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:L'Origine du monde

Hi! I clearly stated on my talk page that i had emailed the appeals committee on august 23rd. If you look at my latest appeal you will see this written. The arbcom email means the same thing. I would be most grateful if you would lift your block on my account.5.28.101.157 (talk) 01:46, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Arbcom will decide whether your block should be lifted. It's not up to me. Requesting to be unblocked on a technicality when your new account is essentially thumbing its nose at the block reviewers isn't persuasive. EdJohnston (talk) 01:55, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you block the page??

We stopped edit-warring, just as you said ... You said you would block the page if we kept edit warring, we stopped edit warring. What gives?? You can't just change you're mind without telling us ... --TIAYN (talk) 18:54, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any agreement by either of you to wait for consensus before making further changes. I can't even tell if either of is making a concession to the other; you seem to scold each other in every post. You have mentioned the FL standards in your WP:AN3 complaint. If you know something about the FL process, maybe you can respond to my suggestion of getting a regular FL reviewer to look at the current dispute. EdJohnston (talk) 19:02, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, no, that's true, but we've promised to stop edit warring. Isn't that something? --TIAYN (talk) 19:16, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We've made a compromise. Please unblock, see mine and his talk page. --TIAYN (talk) 19:47, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Let it be clear: We've made a 'compromise' just about an issue inside his version. I never said that I accept his version as a whole, and I wouldn't do that for sure. As far as I'm concerned, version which stand until today was perfectly fine, and I'll eventually reinstate it, without any doubt. --Sundostund (talk) 19:57, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to hear both of you agree to a deal of some kind before undoing the protection. If you are both agreeable to having a third opinion, say so, and indicate how you'll try to arrange that. EdJohnston (talk) 20:32, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Ed. Apparently, TIAYN and myself managed to reach a compromise (you can see our conversation on mine and his talk page) - neither mine or his version of the article will stay, we agreed to remodel three lists of Syrian officeholders (Presidents, Prime Ministers and Speakers) to look like List of Presidents of Pakistan and List of Prime Ministers of Pakistan. Pakistani version is fully acceptable to me, TIAYN said the same (by the way, both Pakistani lists are accepted as FL). Also, TIAYN said he plans to start working on Syrian lists today, and having in mind our apparent compromise, I think you should undo the protection. But, before you do that, ask TIAYN to confirm our compromise (I definitely don't want any more disputes, misunderstandings etc with this issue in the future). Cheers! --Sundostund (talk) 13:29, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The right word is tomorrow, but yes, we have a deal. --TIAYN (talk) 22:56, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I've lifted the protection on List of Presidents of Syria. EdJohnston (talk) 23:50, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sheila Carter Article

Hello! I'm having a dispute with a user named Beaconboof ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Beaconboof&action=edit&redlink=1 ). I've sent them a message. I've also started a discussion on the 'Talk' page of the Sheila Carter article but they've ignored it all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sheila_Carter Before submitting a report for edit-warring, is there anything else I could/should do? Thx! Israell (talk) 05:35, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I read what you had to say at Talk:Sheila Carter. What do the two of you disagree about? Can you give an example of a change by Beaconboof that you think is incorrect? In general, the article could use more references. Often a dispute can be solved by quoting what one of the sources says. If you ask admins to look at this they may be puzzled. EdJohnston (talk) 13:37, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Thx for replying. It's an article regarding a fictional character named Sheila Carter. The problem is Beaconboof, at some point, filled the latter part of the article with viewers speculation, questioning and fans wishes without discussing it at all. I do not always monitor that article, that's why I only very recently found out. All I want is the article to be unbiased, objective and simply resume storylines the way they've played out onscreen.

- 1. What happened is the character of Sheila Carter (The Young & the Restless), a very well know villain, tricked her friend and accomplice Sugar into having plastic surgery to look just like her. Sheila then arranged for Sugar to be committed to some mental institution so everyone would think Sheila was put away and was not a threat. Sugar ended up leaving that facility, then stabbed Scotty 'cause she knew that would hurt Sheila a lot. Sugar got arrested and Lauren Fenmore Baldwin, Sheila's nemesis, realized Sugar was not Sheila 'cause the latter could not walk well at the time.

- 2. In the following scene, the real Sheila was seen at a plastic surgeon's asking him to make her look like a person on a photograph she handed him. Several months later, she came back looking exactly like Phyllis Newman. Actress Michelle Stafford confirmed several times the character she portrayed was Sheila Carter, so did former executive producer and head writer Lynn Marie Latham. Sheila as Phyllis kept acting like the old Sheila and also remembered stuff only the old Sheila and a few others did (taking pictures of Lauren & Brad). Lauren ended up shooting Sheila in self-defense. An autopsy showed it's truly Sheila that got shot.

- 3. Years later, Sheila's never-before heard of sister, Sarah Smythe, showed up in town looking exactly like Lauren Fenmore after cosmetic surgery. Sarah confirmed several times her sister Sheila truly did have surgery to look like Phyllis. Sarah said Phyllis made her think of Sheila. Sarah showed Lauren a picture of herself and Sheila before their surgeries. Sarah also held both Lauren & Phyllis responsible for Sheila's death. As a matter of fact, Sarah tried to kill Phyllis twice but Lauren shot her in self-defense before she could kill Phyllis. Actress Tracey E. Bregman confirmed in an interview Sarah is indeed Sheila Carter's sister.

This is what played out onscreen and was confirmed by actors, execs and writers. The problem is storylines 2 & 3 weren't well received and accepted by some viewers and fans of the Sheila character. Some of them refuse to believe it's Sheila that was made to look like Phyllis and that Sarah was ever her sister. Some of them also refuse to believe Daisy & Ryder are truly Sheila's children with Tom Fisher. Beconboof is one of them and even replaced Sheila's name by the name Pheila in the latter part of the article. The name of the character is Sheila, not Pheila. This is when Becaonboof started making such changes: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sheila_Carter&diff=499017451&oldid=499017269

I have found a solution. Since Beaconboof is not responding, I'm going to re-edit the article, once again, so it simply shows the facts as played out onscreen. I'm then gonna add in a new section called 'Critical Reception' in which I'm going to address all of the viewers & fans' concerns (Sheila as Phyllis and Sarah as possible imposters etc.)

If Beaconboof reverts all my edits once more, I'll have no choice but alert admins. Which admins could I alert? Thx again for your assistance! Israell (talk) 12:15, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The entire section at Sheila Carter#Storylines has no references at all. This is more than half the article. If you intend to make changes but you can't satisfy WP:V you risk having others remove your material. If you and User:Beaconboof can't come to an agreement you need to follow the steps of WP:Dispute resolution. EdJohnston (talk) 12:52, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing, Beaconboof has recently edited the Daisy Carter article and kept implying Daisy is not truly Sheila Carter's daughter. I've just reverted their edits. That's exactly the issue I'm having with that editor; just because they do not like or accept a storyline, they keep editing articles in a biased manner. I have just added a 'Critical Reception' section to the Sheila Carter article that addresses all the issues some viewers & fans have with those storylines. I'm trying to be fair and impartial.

As for references, I did not write most of the 'Storylines' section. I've only made minor changes to the '2005-2007' part and added in the '2009-2012' section as well as the 'Critical Reception' segment. I have now added 1 reference: http://www.soapcentral.com/yr/whoswho/daisy.php . I wanted to add in this link ( http://soapcentral.com/yr/whoswho/sheila.php ) but it's already being used earlier in the article.

Now, see this... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Fisher#Storylines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Abbott_Bardwell#Storylines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Baldwin#Storylines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Abbott_Fenmore#Storylines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Fenmore#Storylines

I did not write any of the 5 articles above, and none of them use any reference in their 'Storylines' section at all! Soap opera articles on Wikipedia very often lack references in their 'Storylines' sections 'cause it's just viewers that watch the show then type in what they saw. Israell (talk) 13:48, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Promenader's accusation against me

Regarding your comment at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Der Statistiker , I've explained myself there, and I had previously also explained myself here: Template_talk:Paris_Metropolitan_Area. It's a very annoying en.wikipedia functionality that I would be glad to see changed. It exists only in en.wikipedia. For example, when I make an edit in en.wikipedia, if I next go to say, es.wikipedia, to check some articles there, or make some edits there, I won't be logged in as "Der Statistiker" in es.wikipedia. I will appear as unlogged, and will have to log in if I have a user account there. The other way around, however, en.wikipedia automatically logs you in under the account name of the last wikipedia that you either checked or edited. It would be nice if there was at least a window telling you "you're logged in as ..., do you wish to save your edit?", or something like that.

Also, since The Promenader has increasingly made some direct or indirect accusations against me recently (on the admin's noticeboard in particular, but also in several talk pages), is there a way you or someone else could ask him to stop his uncivil behavior? As far as I know, I have never accused him of any misconduct on the admins's noticeboard, the indicents' noticeboard, or even in talk pages, so it would be nice if it was reciprocated. We may disagree on editorial content, but that's no reason to wage ad hominem wars against someone. I'm frankly sick and tired of seeing him making accusations of sock-puppetry whenever someone appears in those talk pages and leave comments that broadly agree with me and disagree with The Promenader. Der Statistiker (talk) 20:41, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(why did I have to see this) The disingenuousity of the above is astounding. What accusations? I comment on contributions and behavior, rarely mentioning contributors themselves. I've been chastised by you (EdJohnston) on the few occasions that I've 'lost it' (usually after an episode of patent knee-jerk reverts to my 'just made' edits after days of the reverter's absence/ignoring talk-page discussion), and rightly so, and I've even apologised to you afterwards, dear Statistiker. One has only to look at the Paris talk page and the Paris article history to see who's really been canvassing complaints/like-minded opinions, being uncivil or knee-jerk revert-warring other contributors' edits. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 22:34, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Landmark Worldwide

Hello! I'm coming to you because I know you're pretty active at ANEW and I'm looking for an opinion regarding Landmark Worldwide (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). The article has recently seen a (comparative) flurry of activity, and I put my gardening shoes on to wade in and clean up. Unfortunately, what I thought was a pretty straightforward job brought out SPAs, started a (possible) edit war, and has spread to a couple related pages. Now, the weeds are winning and I could really use another set of eyes on this. Specifically, I'm asking for your unofficial read on whether or not an EW exists; and possibly for a new perspective to comment or warn as needed. Some of the editors are also using the talk page, but my early attempts to warn editors regarding sources and warring were ineffective and the changes to the article are getting more aggressive rather than less.

Thanks for considering it, and thanks for your great work at ANEW. Cheers! --Tgeairn (talk) 22:25, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Among the recent editors I notice that User:Baliset is reverting a lot and is not very experienced (less than 200 edits). If he keeps going a {{uw-3rr}} notice may be appropriate. EdJohnston (talk) 23:38, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for taking a look. I previously gave Baliset a mild warning, but if there's further reverts then I'll go official. Thanks again, have a great one! --Tgeairn (talk) 23:46, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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