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Archives: 2008: Jan–Feb, March, April, May–Sept, Oct

Re: Rays

I actually kind of like the Sox, but they've won so much recently I was definatley pulling for TB and I will root for them in the WS. The fans down there don't deserve it, but the organization does. And anything to make Flyers fans angry, I support. Blackngold29 03:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

It seems quieter tonight, I missed most of last night's game because of various discussions. Hopefully all will be OK for the rest of the series. Pens did well, awesome game. Blackngold29 02:43, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

3RR

That is only if i revert the same user adding the same stuff 3 times, not different users and different unsourced CRs. CTJF83Talk 01:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

No, you're misinterpreting. "Contributors must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period, whether or not the edits involve the same material" (emphasis added) Grsz^Review! 01:46, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

When and why did it change to what it is, from what it use to be "An editor must not perform more than three reverts, in whole or in part, on a single page within a 24-hour period. A revert means undoing the actions of another editor, whether involving the same or different material each time."? Who decided it needs to be changed, I think the new stuff is crap! CTJF83Talk 01:49, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't mean any different, you're just reading in incorrectly. "A revert means undoing the actions of another editor, whether involving the same or different material each time." This states that undoing an edit of one editor, and undoing an edit by another both count as reverts, and that right there would be two. Grsz^Review! 01:51, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh well, if I get blocked for rvting the addition of unsourced material, then I get blocked...in my opinion, by a poor admin. I assume, again, you warned me, as to not get me blocked, thanks if that is the case. CTJF83Talk 01:53, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

It's a common misinterpretation, and people argue that all the time. The best thing to do now is just tag them and wait until things calm down. I'm sure you won't be given any trouble. Grsz^Review! 01:54, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Well the page is protected, so there shouldn't be many problems. CTJF83Talk 01:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Huh?

May I ask why you did this? A typo perhaps? Mww113 (talk) 23:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Rather than reposting, just trying to get an answer about your false accusations. Grsz^Review! 03:17, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

It seems that I missed that. In regards to your question, I seemed to misinterpret the difs that I cited. Nothing to worry about, and I apologize for any inconvenience. Cheers! Mww113 (talk) 19:01, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Soccer174

Ack, why am I not surprised? Thanks for the heads-up, I'll keep an eye on them. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 23:42, 24 October 2008 (UTC).

World Series

Can I asked why you removed that info? It's been in the article since the beginning and is properly referenced. It was announced by MLB and by the candidate. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 03:54, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Is there a set start time for every game? The article makes no such mention. Therefore you cant say it will be delayed if you dont say when it's suppose to start. On top of that, it's WP:CRYSTAL. Grsz^Review! 03:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

All games of the World Series, if there is no delay, start coverage at 8pm EST. Also, per WP:CRYSTAL, "All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred. It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced." KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 03:57, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Also, we had a discussion on the talk page regarding the numbers; if you'd like to participate, please do; however, I'm reverting that edit as well, per the talk page. Thanks. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 04:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Your talk page discussions cant overrule a Wikipedia policy, thanks. Grsz^Review! 04:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Dicussion where? Talk:2008 World Series#As recommended? I see three editors discussing, and two of them say spell it out. Grsz^Review! 04:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

And one of them is me. I changed my tune. We are going to be taking this for a peer review in prep for GA, so if it's a problem then, we'll catch it then. Until then, though, the other editor in the "active" box and I have decided to follow the other postseason articles' conventions. In addition, talk page discussions and consensus can ovveride policy if there's a reason, per WP:IAR. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 04:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Main Page redesign

The Main Page Redesign proposal is currently conducting a straw poll to select five new designs, before an RFC in which one will be proposed to replace the Main Page. The poll closes on October 31st. Your input would be hugely appreciated! Many thanks, Pretzels^Talk! 10:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: SJ

Tell me about it. If one team goes up big, I might go to sleep. For some reason I don't see that happening though. SJ is a good team, Pens better be ready. Blackngold29 02:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Middle name

Hey Grsz11 - thanks for the revert and comment. I thought (wrongly) that Obama's middle name was being unduly emphasized for political purposes, but I see now McCain's middle name is here too, and there was a discussion about it in the Talk page (where I should've checked first). Sorry for the hassle, and happy editing to you! - FlyingToaster 02:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey Grsz. In the future, consider leaving a custom edit summary when reverting established users. FT responded nicely, but I know of many, many people who will take your head off for doing that. Just a heads up. Cheers! J.delanoy^gabs_adds 02:19, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank You

For reverting the trolling on my talk page. A simple act of kindness in the midst of the daily brouhaha was much appreciated. ~ priyanath ^talk 15:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I tried to find what he was referring to, but obviously could not. Grsz^Review! 15:12, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Template:Belize

Now in your sandbox. NawlinWiki (talk) 02:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

United States House of Representatives elections in Pennsylvania, 2008

You should know that what you cut from the United States House of Representatives elections in Pennsylvania, 2008 wasn't OR. Your edit summary said "without polls, who knows it tightened." Did you even look at the sources? [Murtha Race Tightens After 'Racist,' 'Redneck' Remarks http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/23/murtha-race-tightens-racist-redneck-remarks/] cites a Susquehanna Poll, sponsored by the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. So, we have a WP:RS saying that the race has tightened and has evidence to back it up. If you the poll is wrong, feel free to add a WP:RS. But, to be realistic, I am willing to let this slide until after the election, but we should work together on the article afterward. I also contested your prod of Lou Barletta and, per policy, placed my reasons on the talk page.--HoboJones (talk) 05:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I would keep Thompson, simply because, barring some unforeseen electoral surprise the likes of which we have never seen, he is going to win. I don't know how much you follow politics, but this district is up in the T. There's no point in deleting an article that will (with 99% certainty) have to be recreated on Tuesday. I'm going to decline that prod and tag it with NPOV. McCracken, I can take or leave. He will (with 99% certainty) lose, but he might have notability as a county commissioner. I'll let that prod go, and if someone wants to, they can save it. Thanks, and I look forward working on the election articles with you.--HoboJones (talk) 16:59, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Full Protection of Candidate's Bios

Hi Grsz, Please express your opinion in the discussion at "Should the election bios stay fully protected through the election": [[1]] Thanks, IP75 (talk) 12:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Vice president

Actually both are partly true. Abdulai Osman Conteh was the First Vice President and Joseph B. Dauda the Second Vice President. See Vice President of Sierra LeoneDr. Blofeld (talk) 16:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes I believe Conteh was first in command, so officially it would have been Conteh at the start until he went into exile. Regards Dr. Blofeld (talk) 16:53, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

rmv balanced budget bit. suffers from horrendous recentism and undue weight)

Thanks for the fix, I'm embarrassed. Didn't realize this was in error. --VictorC (talk) 04:53, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

re

Thanks for the note, I will read the reply, I have no 'follow up' or extra questions. Hobartimus (talk) 17:13, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Attack the comment not the editor.

I do not take personal attacks lightly and this editor has done so to me on other occasions. [edit] was an attack on me and my wikipedia knowledge. It was not constructive and I added a warning template to that users page. If that user attacks me again, I will add another and so on. I hope it never needs to get that far. Another editor has accused me of using the talk page as a forum, so I added the appropriate template to that user's talk page, since my use of the Obama talk page was solely based on whether or not the page should be locked, which was the heading of the section to begin with. Disagreeing with my template additions is your right. But I was not sure if you knew why they were added, so I am letting you know now.--Jojhutton (talk) 20:22, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

But that wasn't an attack. And WP:DTTR. Grsz^{11 →Review!} 20:23, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

You may not have considered that an attack, but I did. I do not appreciate other editors using humor as a jest or to prove some point at the expense of others. It was not civil nor was it productive. As for WP:DTTR, I personally feel that wikipedia policy trumps essays that are not policy. And that editor has been told to lay off the attacks before, which makes LOL, are you new? sound even more like an attack, because he knows perfectly well that I am not.--Jojhutton (talk) 21:13, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, responding to an editor joking about you possibly not understanding wikipedia ettiquette by leaving him a message that doesn't really follow wikipedia ettiquette isn't really the best way to make friends and influence people. Dayewalker (talk) 21:22, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Not to be rude, but this is a user talk page and not a discussion page. I was refering all of my comments to user Grsz11. If you would like to hold a conversation with me, please do so on my talk page, as it is not fair to this user whose talk page you are using to voice opinions about something you were not involved in. I'm sorry Grsz11 that that happened to you.--Jojhutton (talk) 23:19, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I seriously doubt Grsz11 will mind. Any editor can comment on anything on wikipedia. If you want to hold a private discussion with someone, see if they'll email you. Otherwise, everyone's comments are always available for discussion. Dayewalker (talk) 23:33, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Closing that discussion

I wanted to get a second opinion on closing the discussion down on the talk page. Usually, I'm very much against that type of action, however, it just wreaked of attracting trolls and further disrupting the article. Obviously, this article doesn't need anymore disruption. Anyways, I just wanted to get your opinion. Regards, Digital^Ninja 21:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The one on interest groups? Closing it would be no problem. Grsz^{11 →Review!} 21:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. It has been closed. Additionally, I'm going to be creating some articles this afternoon. If you're going to be around, I might ask for some formatting help with pictures. If your busy, no worries :) Digital^Ninja 21:30, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing my help request. The citation I'm referring to his this one: ref name="CZUB">"CZ 2075 RAMI". CZUB.COM. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help); Unknown parameter |access date= ignored (|access-date= suggested) (help). It is number 4. The web address won't show up. Also, under the "Safety Features" section, the "edit" button appears superimposed over the text. I'm having a hard time with that as well. Thanks!! Digital^Ninja 01:40, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

You just didn't have the url field for cite 4. Grsz^{11 →Review!} 01:41, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, you fixed it! Thank you!! Do you think it is ready to be moved to mainspace yet? Digital^Ninja 01:41, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

It looks good. I would say keep a copy in your userspace for the time being, but it is certainly acceptable. Grsz^{11 →Review!} 01:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Olympic Airlines

Many thanks. Dr.K. (talk) 23:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Talkback

I added more since the talkback tag. CTJF83Talk 03:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Not sure if you have my page watched...but do you IRC chat...It makes life easier! CTJF83Talk 05:36, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Not sure if you got the above post, with all the drama on your talk page. CTJF83Talk 16:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Scarian has closed the report, and blocked the abuser for 12 hours, who accused us of being sockpuppets. CTJF83Talk 16:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Not that he doesn't have other accounts to use. Grsz^{11 →Review!} 16:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

LOL, ya...and do u not use IRC or what? CTJF83Talk 16:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't. Grsz^{11 →Review!} 16:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Awww :( you should! lol CTJF83Talk 16:56, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

You're the master puppet catcher!!! I also responded to you on my talk. CTJF83Talk 05:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Can you let people have their say at least.

Please let users have their say on the Obama talk page. The main page is locked, so there is no possibilty of any vandalism. As far as I could tell this new section [[2]] was very differant from any other debate so far. It was a very valid question and was not a disruption. Please do not be so quick to dismiss all discussions. So that you do not think I am being biased, my response was this:

On the surface your request makes sense, but that catagory only applies to persons born in various countries. African American is justified in this case since Obama was born in the U.S. and not Kenya.--Jojhutton (talk) 01:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I was able to add it to the discussion after another editor placed the section back on the page.--Jojhutton (talk) 01:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

No, it's the same "Obama's not black" argument that's been throw out again and again. Grsz^{11 →Review!} 01:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Others, as it turns out, have disagreed with you, and it was reverted back for active discussion.--Jojhutton (talk) 01:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Wrong, it was brought up by one more person. Are you serious? Can you not read the tone in which the IP posted? He did not post it to generate good discussion, he posted it to make a point. Don't feed the trolls. Grsz^{11 →Review!} 01:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

The page is still open to all users and belongs to the community. If you do not wish to participate in the discussion, then it is your right, but please allow the others to do so.--Jojhutton (talk) 01:49, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

You haven't been around long enough to realize just how disruptive it is when this same crap is posted all the time, again and again. It is perfectly acceptable and on the Obama page commonplace to simply delete these disruptive sections, as they will generate no constructive comments. Please see WP:FORUM. Grsz^{11 →Review!} 01:55, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree that it can be disturbing to see the same questions over and over again, but we must be careful not to bite the newcomers, even if you don't agree with them. As for not being around long enough, I have been watching longer than you may think.--Jojhutton (talk) 02:01, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Baby Not On Board

No problem. -Wildonrio (talk) 05:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Steelers

I don't know, it wasn't even sold out (1000+ seats left). There were a ton of Steelers fans there, you could hear them chanting in the background on SportsCenter afterward. Blackngold29 05:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I've never heard of it, looks interesting though. Blackngold29 05:12, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Are there any books about it? Blackngold29 05:26, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

La revolucion mexicana

Si quieres hablar acerca de este tema, pegame un correo un dia de estos. Es que estoy harto de las pendejadas por aqui. Aunque no uso ni acentos, si los hablo. Acaso podemos platicar. Suerte con tus estudios.--Die4Dixie (talk) 07:33, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow lots of editors

Doesn't seem like there are now an avalanche of editors on Barack Obama now. It seems like we don't need to be watching it as much as we had to before. Hopefully we don't have to deal with the SPA's as we had to before he was elected! Though I will say it was semi fun, in a masochistic kind of way. It seemed like every day/hour there was someone trying to push one conspiracy then another. I enjoyed working with you and the others and hopefully we'll still get to have some kind of editing fun! (OH, long live the knights who say nee cabal!) Brothejr (talk) 13:00, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Zeituni Onyango re-written

This article has been rewritten. Please visit the AfD discussion to see if your concerns have been addressed. Thank you. -- Banjeboi 22:51, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

As a relative latecomer to helping to keep the Barack Obama related articles neutral and not-nutty, I'm extremely appreciative of everyone who has been working on the article these last months. And to keep the Barack Obama article at Featured Article quality through the election was an impressive feat. Congratulations! ~ priyanath ^talk 00:02, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Pittsburgh

Good job contributing to the History of Pittsburgh article. It looks good. I just made small wording clarifications about Pitt, but I don't think it needs more coverage about it other than what it has, especially since Pitt has its own history article. I'm going to look over the article some more tomorrow, but it is in good shape. have a good night CrazyPaco (talk) 05:43, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Your DYK submission of Ghost Town Trail

Hello! Your submission of Ghost Town Trail at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed. There still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 03:03, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Pittsburgh climate

Hi, please visit Talk:Pittsburgh#Climate and add to the discussion I started here a week or so ago. This climate information seems to get reverted back and forwards every few days and the facts need to be laid out and consensus established on this. Thanks. Mfield (talk) 04:03, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

PrimeFan - Del arte case

The evidence here is overwhelming that these are all the same person. I'm unblocking User:Del arte, which seems to be the real master, to time served with a warning not to sock again. I advise interested parties to watch the IP range and articles related to this case. I am also renaming Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/PrimeFan to Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Del arte and retagging the socks. This decision was made in consultation with other checkusers and a member of the arbcom. — Rlevse • Talk • 17:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Wehrum

Sterling work on Wehrum, Pennsylvania. I've never been there, but I used to drive past Vintondale, Pennsylvania on my way to Penn State from Pittsburgh. You might want to expand on the Orthodox church. It seems that they moved it to Vintondale, and its founding pastor was later made an Orthodox saint, at least according to the Vintondale website. It might be worth verifying. Pustelnik (talk) 02:57, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, I added it. Pustelnik (talk) 02:21, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Obama

I apologize for the violation. One of the times I reverted was because the change had been swept up with vandalism reverted by another user. It won't happen again. »S0CO^{(talk|contribs)} 04:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Obama in Kenya

Please explain your deletion of referenced information on the Barack Obama talk page sub section I have initiated. Be sure to fully explain how you have interpreted WP:UNDUE, and how it applies in this instance. Glen Twenty (talk) 05:07, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

RE:Euryalus's talk page

What was wrong with this? Seems like a valid question. Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 19:58, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Holy

Jerks put it on Versus and I didn't see it! Lange was pretty excited though. I can't wait to watch the highlights. They should threaten to trade Staal more often, lol. Blackngold29 02:53, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Ghost Town Trail

On 12 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ghost Town Trail, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 04:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Your review

Hey man, if you want you can just remove everything on your review. I haven't looked so maybe you already have. I'm just responding to the message you just left on my talk. I wasn't trying to cause you problems, and I'm sorry for cluttering up your review. I was going to list diffs, but I think you already know the comments I was referring to anyways. I'm not out to try and get you reprimanded by anyone, blocked, or scorned by anyone for anything. I honestly just wanted you to know that I felt you were rude with me. I guess for some strange reason I thought you may care. I know you said last night that you would really like to avoid me altogether, so I'll not respond anymore to this unless you directly ask me something. I apologize if I caused you any problems, or bothered you with this. None of the stuff on your review is really relevant to it, so I'd remove it if I were you. Anyways, nice meeting you and take care. Landon1980 (talk) 17:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I just noticed your latest comment on my talk page, what more do you want me to say about this? Why do you refuse to let it drop? All your "MY GOD'S" and many more comments are rude. You responded to a very civil comment of mine where I was responding to comments that have now been stricken out as personal attacks with "OH Please Landon, your I'm the victim ploy is BULLSHIT." You made many other snarky comments and you know you did. You called me a troll, you used rollback on an edit that was not vandalism in any way, shape, or form. You say I am whining and ranting, how is that polite? You attack virtually every comment I make with some type of hateful comment. You insist on trying to discredit anything I do or say. You repeatedly suggest that I am incapable of understanding anything. And please, if I Caps'd something that you did not, or did not quote you precisely spare me. You have been rude with me from day one. You know you have been rude with me. I'm going to ask you this again and I'd like an honest answer: Do you truthfully think that you have not been even a little bit rude with me? In the straw poll you put "I'm irate it's come to this, this is pathetic" I'd lay down a fortune that if I had said the things to you that you have to me that I would have received no telling how many warnings from you. I have tried being respectful to you, and I have tried dropping this. What more do you want me to do? I'm starting to get creeped out about how you obsess about everything I say. Just forget that you ever saw me on here, just ignore everything I say. Why will you not just leave me alone? Landon1980 (talk) 18:49, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Are you denying saying the things that I just said you said? Do you really want the diffs? You know that you said all of that. Answer my question, do you think you have been rude with me, you keep avoiding that question. You are the person that won't let it drop, every time I quit responding you continue with your obsession of me. If you can't treat me with respect just don't talk to me. You don't have to agree with me, but you are supposed to be civil. Landon1980 (talk) 00:44, 13 November 2008 (UTC)